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nice to see australia holding everyone back... I dont know how bruno got a classification for MA 15+.

 

so its of high impact violence esp with melee weapons that got it refused so i wonder if they cut violent graphics away from the aussie version would they still be in the install somewhere to be accessed by some smart cookie... I have a cousin in the US, if i really care I could just get her to send over a physical copy but I wonder if the steam servers will notice im from australia and have it rejected or 'updated' to the Australian version via a patch.

 

i thoroughly enjoyed L4D though a little lacking in levels but im still not sure if I'll get this one.

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I just sent this email to the Classifications 'enquiry' email address:

 

To Whom It May Concern,

 

To my shock I have just discovered that the soon to be released game "Left 4 Dead 2" has be REFUSED CLASSIFICATION. Needless to say I, like THOUSANDS OF OTHER INTELLIGENT, WILLING AND ABLE AUSTRALIAN ADULTS, am completely disgusted at this decision. At what point will we adult Australians be treated as just that, adults? I can read books, watch movies, listen to music, watch TV shows ALL with horrific content of rape, murder, drug use, sex, violence, horror and death. All in levels far far beyond what this game would ever offer, and yet I have NO SAY in what I play in a computer game?

Are you trying to be condecending?

Or is it that you don't believe I am capeable for making my own decision?

 

I'm 27 years old. I'm sane, intelligent and able. I can chose to drive a car at 110KM/h. I can choose to buy and smoke cigarettes. I can choose to buy and drunk 5 litres of alcohol. I can go down the road right now and hire a movie that shows people getting killed in gruesome horrific ways, in pain and suffering, using drugs, raping, torturing, murdering... all without any problem with your 'clasifications board'......and yet I can't play a computer game that has less 'adult content' in it that even that in it? I can't play a game that's all about working in a team, saving another humans life, about surviving an attack by non-human mutant zombies?

 

I have the right to enjoy a fantasty game if I chose, don't I?When are YOU going to stand up and make sure that you TRULY represent the desires and expectations of the public?

You need to bring Australia's ARCHAIC classifications system up to date, to match the REAL WORLD and REAL ADULT DESIRES OF AUSTRALIAN CITIZENS.

(and let's not even get into how Australia is the laughinstock of the international gaming community.)

 

If there is not some way that I can buy this game in Australia, with money going to the Australian economy, then I will order this game from overseas. I will happliy pay double, I will get it mailed to me and I will play it as an adult. It won't lead to me breaking any laws or becoming a violent person. Every one of my friends will do the same. Amongst my friends alone there will be ATLEAST 20 people that will buy this game, and do so from the USA if YOU force us to.

 

I'm not disgusted by this game, but I'm disgusted by the Calssifications System. Time to grow up, isn't it?

I doubt it will do anything, but enough is enough... our ratings system is a joke.

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I just sent this email to the Classifications 'enquiry' email address:

 

To Whom It May Concern,

 

To my shock I have just discovered that the soon to be released game "Left 4 Dead 2" has be REFUSED CLASSIFICATION. Needless to say I, like THOUSANDS OF OTHER INTELLIGENT, WILLING AND ABLE AUSTRALIAN ADULTS, am completely disgusted at this decision. At what point will we adult Australians be treated as just that, adults? I can read books, watch movies, listen to music, watch TV shows ALL with horrific content of rape, murder, drug use, sex, violence, horror and death. All in levels far far beyond what this game would ever offer, and yet I have NO SAY in what I play in a computer game?

Are you trying to be condecending?

Or is it that you don't believe I am capeable for making my own decision?

 

I'm 27 years old. I'm sane, intelligent and able. I can chose to drive a car at 110KM/h. I can choose to buy and smoke cigarettes. I can choose to buy and drunk 5 litres of alcohol. I can go down the road right now and hire a movie that shows people getting killed in gruesome horrific ways, in pain and suffering, using drugs, raping, torturing, murdering... all without any problem with your 'clasifications board'......and yet I can't play a computer game that has less 'adult content' in it that even that in it? I can't play a game that's all about working in a team, saving another humans life, about surviving an attack by non-human mutant zombies?

 

I have the right to enjoy a fantasty game if I chose, don't I?When are YOU going to stand up and make sure that you TRULY represent the desires and expectations of the public?

You need to bring Australia's ARCHAIC classifications system up to date, to match the REAL WORLD and REAL ADULT DESIRES OF AUSTRALIAN CITIZENS.

(and let's not even get into how Australia is the laughinstock of the international gaming community.)

 

If there is not some way that I can buy this game in Australia, with money going to the Australian economy, then I will order this game from overseas. I will happliy pay double, I will get it mailed to me and I will play it as an adult. It won't lead to me breaking any laws or becoming a violent person. Every one of my friends will do the same. Amongst my friends alone there will be ATLEAST 20 people that will buy this game, and do so from the USA if YOU force us to.

 

I'm not disgusted by this game, but I'm disgusted by the Calssifications System. Time to grow up, isn't it?

I doubt it will do anything, but enough is enough... our ratings system is a joke.

 

You're barking up the wrong tree.

 

The S.A. Attorney General is who you need to speak to, but I would try to do it in a way that presents a larger argument since I'm sure he'd have read or been aware of a thousand sentiments like that one already.

 

The fact is, there are larger arguments to make that are serious and valid. Take this one:

GTA4 was an R rated game here - it underwent this same thing. If it stayed as an R rated game, enough strict laws would have prevent young kids and teenagers from playing it (I'm not saying whether this is good or bad, but for the S.A. A.G., it would obviously be good). When it gets very slightly modified and taken down to MA15+, everything changes. It's not a rating people take anywhere near as seriously, and it's not even very easy to enforce it. So by making an R18+ game JUST fit the MA15+ mold, you actually drastically increase it's younger audience for what is essentially the same experience.

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Why bother sending letters its like getting blood froma stone, the only way people will take notice is if everyone circumvents their stupid rating and imports the game they might start to think hang on maybe we should of let it in the country.

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I just sent this email to the Classifications 'enquiry' email address:

 

To Whom It May Concern,

 

To my shock I have just discovered that the soon to be released game "Left 4 Dead 2" has be REFUSED CLASSIFICATION. Needless to say I, like THOUSANDS OF OTHER INTELLIGENT, WILLING AND ABLE AUSTRALIAN ADULTS, am completely disgusted at this decision. At what point will we adult Australians be treated as just that, adults? I can read books, watch movies, listen to music, watch TV shows ALL with horrific content of rape, murder, drug use, sex, violence, horror and death. All in levels far far beyond what this game would ever offer, and yet I have NO SAY in what I play in a computer game?

Are you trying to be condecending?

Or is it that you don't believe I am capeable for making my own decision?

 

I'm 27 years old. I'm sane, intelligent and able. I can chose to drive a car at 110KM/h. I can choose to buy and smoke cigarettes. I can choose to buy and drunk 5 litres of alcohol. I can go down the road right now and hire a movie that shows people getting killed in gruesome horrific ways, in pain and suffering, using drugs, raping, torturing, murdering... all without any problem with your 'clasifications board'......and yet I can't play a computer game that has less 'adult content' in it that even that in it? I can't play a game that's all about working in a team, saving another humans life, about surviving an attack by non-human mutant zombies?

 

I have the right to enjoy a fantasty game if I chose, don't I?When are YOU going to stand up and make sure that you TRULY represent the desires and expectations of the public?

You need to bring Australia's ARCHAIC classifications system up to date, to match the REAL WORLD and REAL ADULT DESIRES OF AUSTRALIAN CITIZENS.

(and let's not even get into how Australia is the laughinstock of the international gaming community.)

 

If there is not some way that I can buy this game in Australia, with money going to the Australian economy, then I will order this game from overseas. I will happliy pay double, I will get it mailed to me and I will play it as an adult. It won't lead to me breaking any laws or becoming a violent person. Every one of my friends will do the same. Amongst my friends alone there will be ATLEAST 20 people that will buy this game, and do so from the USA if YOU force us to.

 

I'm not disgusted by this game, but I'm disgusted by the Calssifications System. Time to grow up, isn't it?

I doubt it will do anything, but enough is enough... our ratings system is a joke.

 

No offense but they'll look at that and think a 14 year old wrote it.

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*sigh*

 

And other one bites the dust...

 

Why the ratings board can't just get their shit together is beyond me.

It's Attorney General Atkinson that needs to get his shit together, not the Classification Board. The Board is limited by what the Attorneys General decide they can do. And a vote by the AGs to add a classification category must be unanimous. So the sensibleness of the Australian public is being held back by an old christian bigot.

 

Old Christian Bigot on Good Game

 

 

 

This is just fucking retarded beyond belief!

 

 

Is there any chance I can buy it on Steam, but install with a pirated full version?

Not quite.

 

Your best bet would be to buy an activation code off ebay -- that MAY work.

 

What about running steam through a ssh tunnel to US vps and then buying over steam?

 

This is most likely what I'll be doing, or similar. Or just give my acc details to an american friend to buy it for me, and then I'll download it.

 

Would there be a point, though, considering I'll be one of the few that have it?

 

Keep in mind that Steam also has your Shipping Address which I'd wager they also use to determine what software they can sell you.

It's possible that you may be able to buy the activation code overseas but you may not be able to download the software thru Steam. Has anyone done this before for a game that is NOT available down under?

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If SSH tunnelling won't work (which I don't see why it wouldn't), I Guess I will be playing it over VPN.

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hey guys, I just had a thought, isn't this the normal process for games in the lead up to their release? The game publishers are probably quite aware what is and isn't allowed, and the game will be fully compliant by the release date.

 

I think it's all media fluff.

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Well, another game bites the dust because it represents a minority disproportionatly. TWO black leads, what were Valve thinking! Go 100% white Australia policy! </sarcasm>

 

News.com.au has the document from the OLFC explaining why it was banned. Here: http://www.news.com.au/files/left%204%20de...on%20report.pdf

 

"The game contains realistic, frenetic and unrelenting violence which is inflicted upon 'the Infected' who are living humans infected with a rabies-like virus that causes them to act violently."

 

 

WHAT

 

THE

 

FUCK?

 

 

"Living humans"? Are they fucking RETARDED?

 

Don't they understand the concept of a "zombie"?

 

 

 

"A MINORITY of the Board is of the opinion that violence is strong in playing impact and therefore warrants an MA 15+ classification with the consumer advice of strong violence."

 

A MINORITY? I bet they're the section of the board who're too senile to find their dicks without a flashlight and a search and rescue team.

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hey guys, I just had a thought, isn't this the normal process for games in the lead up to their release? The game publishers are probably quite aware what is and isn't allowed, and the game will be fully compliant by the release date.

 

I think it's all media fluff.

Don't be silly, the only reason it'll get changed is if everyone gets their knickers in a twist and sends letters with ALL CAPS sections in it.

 

*sigh*

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*sigh*

 

And other one bites the dust...

 

Why the ratings board can't just get their shit together is beyond me.

It's Attorney General Atkinson that needs to get his shit together, not the Classification Board. The Board is limited by what the Attorneys General decide they can do. And a vote by the AGs to add a classification category must be unanimous. So the sensibleness of the Australian public is being held back by an old christian bigot.

 

Old Christian Bigot on Good Game

 

Thanks, hadn't seen that, Good Game has improved a great deal since I last watched it!

But anyway, it's Atkinson again avoiding the actual debate here. Incorrectly discredits the poll, avoiding the question about appropriate labelling helping parents buying decision. And still completely doesn't understand that games that _should_ in a lot of people's eyes be r18+ are being given an MA15+ rating instead, and that he's taking away choice from Australian Adults. I think the other guy is right tho, there will be an R18+ classification for games in Australia, but it will have to wait until Mr Atkinson is voted out or retires. Or if the anonymous internet makes good on it's threats of eliminating him, which would probably be a bad outcome for everyone.

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This REALLY fucking shits me. Clearly one man, senator atkinson, has too much power over the

classification system in Australia. If this was a democracy, it should be majority rules system - none of this fucking pandering

to minorities crap.. It time for an R18+ Classification, and hopefully this game will be the catalyst for this.

Fuck you atkinson.

 

Having said that (and I could rage on all night), I guess its just going to be ANOTHER game I get from O/S..

 

Import retail version, install on local Steam? Will that work?

^ That's the plan Reb1rth.

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Lalalalah piracy, it's so much fun for you and me, playing naughty games for free, because our pollies are cunts in trees.

 

*Sung to the tune of Sodomy, one of the songs in Meet The Feebles

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I'll quote my own reply on the article for my view:

 

Now now, clearly there's a good reason for this. What if some parent decides to buy it for their four year old child without looking at the box! Or what if the kid nags and nags and nags and kicks and screams until the poor parents...

 

...OK, there's no good reason.

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The game contains violence that is high in impact and is therefore unsuitable for persons aged under 18 to play.

The report singles out the use of melee weapons as those that “inflict the most damage” and cause “copious amounts of blood spray and splatter (sic), decapitations and limb dismemberment… or even cause intestines to spill from the wounds.”

In conclusion, the Board finds that the “interactive nature of the game increases the overall impact of the frequent and intense depictions of violence. This coupled with the graphic depictions of blood and gore combine to create a playing impact which is high.”

Interestingly, the report also reveals that it wasn’t a unanimous decision and that “a minority of the Board is of the opinion that the violence is strong in playing impact and therefore warrants an MA15+ classification” instead. However, the majority voted to refuse classification.

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This makes no fucking sense......

 

1. Zombies aren't people

 

2. Every other game out there involve shooting people/monsters...

 

3. Jesus was a fucking ZOMBIE! If anyone should be pro-zombie it should be the Christian Right!

 

And Christians eat his flesh and drunk his blood every weekend. They're infected!

 

 

KILL ALL CHRISTIANS!!

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This makes no fucking sense......

 

1. Zombies aren't people

 

2. Every other game out there involve shooting people/monsters...

 

3. Jesus was a fucking ZOMBIE! If anyone should be pro-zombie it should be the Christian Right!

 

And Christians eat his flesh and drunk his blood every weekend. They're infected!

 

 

KILL ALL CHRISTIANS!!

 

I saw we bring back the games!

 

nothing more entertaining than hungry Lions + Christians!

 

nothing!

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I'm 24 years old, Michael Atkinson & Co. have no right to determine what level of graphic violence is suitable for me.

 

Im either buying this game (hopefully) off Steam or obtaining a copy via other means.

 

Attorney Generals, get stuffed.

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Import retail version, install on local Steam? Will that work?

^ That's the plan Reb1rth.

 

Steam checks the region when activating the game though, if it's not from the same region it won't activate.

After activation it doesn't matter though.

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*sigh*

 

not that i was going to buy it, but the point remains that australia needs an R18+ rating for games. i, as an adult, can watch porn and saw movies but not play a game where i kill zombies and take painkillers?! or hell, i can play another game where i can kill anything i fucking want and cut it to pieces, or and take chemicals and alcohol and then get addicted to them.

 

<yoda voice>

no sense does this descision make

</yoda voice>

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