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I've been familiar with this worrisome trend for a while now and it's certainly not uncommon these days...much like some of the poor buggers who go through penis enhancement surgery or the girls who go through breast enhancement.

 

What does worry me is the fact that a lot of women don't know what a "normal vagina" is supposed to look like and that they're all equally awesome no matter how much they look like Simon Crean or this woman!

 

What sort of image is mainstream media/advertising/porn putting in women's heads that makes them feel uncomfortable with their punani and make the decision to go at it with a knife? Also, what sort of GP/doctor supports this kind of operation and is there any psychological screening carried out before a major alfteration like this?

 

I realise that there may be actual good medical grounds for this sort of operation if the labia are too large and cause problems for other reasons than aesthetics but geez....some things you just shouldn't play with. Same goes for guys.

 

For myself, I don't have the biggest wang in the world by a long shot but I get by, get no complaints and overall wouldn't go near it with anything resembling a surgical instrument.

 

Comments?

 

 

 

Raunch culture and the growth of the 'designer vagina'

SUZY FREEMAN-GREENE

November 20, 2009

 

 

BRITNEY Spears' singing prowess may be deeply suspect but she can thrust her genitals at a camera with aplomb. The video for her new song 3 is full of pelvic-led career moves, variously delivered in a tight, white bathing suit and a black, G-stringed affair.

 

An ability to dance like a stripper seems depressingly necessary for many of today's female pop stars, with videos virtually shot from the floor up. This new focus on women's genitalia is mirrored elsewhere in pop culture, with suburban pole dancing classes and Brazilian waxes that impose a pre-pubescent beauty ideal on adult parts.

 

With female genitals on display like never before, there's bizarre new pressure on them to conform to a uniform look. Recently, ABC news reported on concerns about the popularity of vaginal plastic surgery. More than 1200 Australian women a year are said to undergo a procedure known as labioplasty, which trims and reshapes the labia minora.

 

Dr Ted Weaver, president of the Royal Australian and NZ College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, told me he believes this figure grossly underestimates the number of women getting ''designer vaginas''. Such surgery, he says, is dangerous, costly and largely unnecessary. (In rare cases, it may be medically required). Labioplasty can have damaging after effects including scarring, infection and painful sex. And despite the claims on some cosmetic surgery websites, he says there's no evidence it will improve your sex life.

 

Weaver believes labioplasty often preys on women's feelings of insecurity. Doctors should instead be trained to explain to them that genital appearance can vary greatly and surgery is not the answer. ''She doesn't have to conform to a picture that she might have noticed in a girlie magazine.''

 

Labioplasty can cost anything from $4000 to $10,000. Plastic surgeon Dr Kourosh Tavakoli told the ABC he had been performing it for seven years, with the number of patients doubling annually. He blames less qualified practitioners, such as ''GP surgeons'' working in their poorly lit offices, for most health problems linked to the procedure. Eighty per cent of his clients have had a labioplasty for ''cosmetic and psychological reasons'' - chiefly discomfort during sex or being unable ''to wear a leotard or (swimming) cossie''. The procedure, he claims, can bring about ''a mental transformation''.

 

It's seems astounding that women would endure such pain and cost merely to look subtly different in a leotard. Far more plausible is a link between the widespread availability of porn, the popularity of Brazilians and the growth of labioplasty. Left to their natural hirsute state, how many people would even notice the shape of their genitals?

 

A recent article in the British Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology reported on a qualitatative study of six women who'd had labioplasty. (In Britain, the incidence of this surgery has doubled in the past five years). All felt as if their original genital appearance was odd. Yet most revealed uncertainty about what ''normal'' women's genitalia should look like.

 

The women reported anxiety about their sexual partners seeing or touching their genitals. While some spoke of discomfort, the authors noted that this, rather than appearance, might be emphasised as a way of legitimising their request for surgery. After the procedure, the women were less self-conscious, but their expectations of better sex were not necessarily met.

 

Importantly, the authors noted that the vagina is often negatively represented in wider culture and depicted as ''a viable site for beautification and normalisation''. Women's magazines ''present a social norm that women's genitalia should be invisible and that there should be a smooth curve between the thighs with no protruding labia''.

 

Raunch culture has a lot to answer for here. And as the shape of the vagina becomes a crazy new source of angst, we still don't even have an affectionate word to describe it. Where is the cosy, non-threatening equivalent to ''willy''? This linguistic absence speaks volumes about social attitudes towards female genitalia. Meanwhile, the c-word endures as a form of abuse.

 

Weaver thinks genital appearance should be taught in high school sex education classes. People need to know, he says, that there are as many different labial shapes as there are nose sizes.

 

It's hard not to see a further irony in this disturbing trend. While women overseas are often powerless to resist genital mutilation, women here are paying for surgery that may be harmful or utterly superfluous.

 

Suzy Freeman-Greene is a senior writer.

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i misread the opening of that article as to say "Brittany spears thrusting camera into genitals"

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Firstly: "Where is the cosy, non-threatening equivalent to ''willy''?" - I know it's fallen into disuse, but what about "fanny"? I know it means something different in America, but AFAIK in Australia it's always been a non-threatening euphemism for "vulva".

 

I could go on for hours about this, but my main points would be:

 

(1) If you want to do it, fair enough. Waste of money in my opinion, but hey. However doctors should be just as cautious and give just as much warning as any other surgery with potential major effects.

(2) "Raunch culture" does have a lot to answer for. I've never felt inadequate about my junk when watching pr0n, but I can understand if people do. I also have to acknowledge the way my pr0n-watching habits have altered my sexual baseline.

(3) I find the trend towards complete hairlessness ... worrisome. Maybe not enough men have little sisters anymore; maybe we're just seeing something that was unnaturally bottled up for 100 years. For me, although I don't want to be diving into the Forest of Loren a complete lack of hair just isn't womanly.

(4) Could this be the inevitable result of the way sex and sexuality has been demonised over the past thousand (or so) years?

 

... yeah, that's it for now.

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Its a case of the market driving the customer, where there's no good feedback loop that is responsive enough to give indication that a given product is actually a total waste of money, and sold on false principles.

 

I don't understand it, personally.

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... there's no good feedback loop that is responsive enough to give indication that a given product is actually a total waste of money, and sold on false principles....

well said

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mine have been surgically altered

 

:(

 

post baby no,1 the obstetrician was tidying up with a needle & thread and decided that one of my labia had been "torn" during birth and proceeded to sew it up. Sadly, it hadn't been torn, it was just normally long-ish and happy to flap in the breeze (just like its twin)

 

so now.... I have one long-ish, groovy, thin, foldy flap and one short thick one

lop-sided, unique and if I felt the need to have them evened up a bit, I would see to it.

 

 

 

no, I will not provide pix, you will just have to take my word for it

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Unless there's a genuine medical need, its as silly & pointless as having your toes surgically altered to fit designer heels.

Maybe they need to introduce as part of sex Ed at schools, the fact that fannys, boobs and willys come in all sorts of shapes and sizes, different is normal.

What's going to be next 'designer' bellybuttons?

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Can picture in my head stilly girls talking like they do in their annoying voices

 

"Hey Sally, lets get a frappachino and our labias tucked...hehehe OMG (insert any other annoying crap)"

 

Seeing that doco on SBS (can't think of the name unfortunatly) and they were discussing how some girls are doing it like a fashion accessory/vanity and not for any other need or requirement.

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Jesus christ that is scary

 

Wouldn't let my missus even if she wanted to, she thinks tudis are frucking ugly anyway you look at them so I don't have to worry : D

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I'd heard of it but didn't actually know what it looked like. Knowing what to look for now, I have actually seen it irl. I really wondered how she got it so neat!

 

If I had a lot of money, I'd consider it >_> but then, I'd probably consider a boob job too.

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I saw a documentary on this about 6 months ago - The Perfect Vagina - where they go through and examine (fairly poorly i might add) the rise of labioplasty in the UK.

 

The woman (the chick from Scraphead Challenge) was obviously dead against it and spent the entire time bashing it, but the reality was that those who wanted it done were unhappy with what they had and they wanted to change it. This plastic surgeon went through and explained the motivation behind many of his patients and showed a couple of before and afters of some women who had it done.

 

To be honest, i can see why some women do go ahead with it. From personal experience alone, almost all the women i've been with have shown some level of insecurity about its appearance - from those who have what is considered the "typical" shape, to those who had protruding inner lips, and then those who had large hanging lips (quite often lopsided).

 

I know at least two girls in the last category, and one girl on the doco, experienced problems with tucking it all away in their undies, because the lips were that long that they literally hung out the side of their undies. the girls i knew couldn't wear g strings because of it, and the thought of a short skirt turned them white with fear. And totally forget about swimsuits.

 

Comments such as putting it down to the market driving the consumer annoy me (as much as the documentary did) because while there will always be those who worry unnecessarily about their appearance, there are those who have genuine concerns and want to rectify a problem that they have which is impacting heavily on not only their confidence, but other areas of their life.

 

I realise i've pointed out what could be a few extreme cases, what with lips falling out of clothing and what not, but then while i've seen a number that fit that so called "typical" shape, i've seen more than a few of those who have an understandable concern - even if i personally didn't see any issue with what they had.

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so now.... I have one long-ish, groovy, thin, foldy flap and one short thick one

lop-sided, unique and if I felt the need to have them evened up a bit, I would see to it.

 

no, I will not provide pix, you will just have to take my word for it

 

So yeah...like this then :p

 

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no, I will not provide pix, you will just have to take my word for it

*phew* thank christ for that!

 

I am so hoping that you are trying to "be funneh" coz I have beautiful pink bits, nothing to *hide* or be ashamed of... simply that society deems it inappropriate for me to share

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Wouldn't let my missus even if she wanted to,

Jesus christ that is scary

Yes. It is. WTF is wrong with you?

 

Comments such as putting it down to the market driving the consumer annoy me (as much as the documentary did) because while there will always be those who worry unnecessarily about their appearance, there are those who have genuine concerns and want to rectify a problem that they have which is impacting heavily on not only their confidence, but other areas of their life.

 

I realise i've pointed out what could be a few extreme cases, what with lips falling out of clothing and what not, but then while i've seen a number that fit that so called "typical" shape, i've seen more than a few of those who have an understandable concern - even if i personally didn't see any issue with what they had.

How much of that non-medical 'understandable concern' is motivated through what they believe/are told/are expected to look like, instead of, as you've indicated, what the people they are in the habit of showing them to, actually think?

 

Furthermore, any time something is advertised, its the market driving the consumer. And I've now seen advertisments for labioplasty. Certain forms of advertising, is market driving/creating demand. This is why it is called marketting. Its not brand-awareness, which I have little problem with. Of course, if people weren't quite so fickle, I wouldn't have a problem anyway.

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I saw a documentary on this about 6 months ago - The Perfect Vagina - where they go through and examine (fairly poorly i might add) the rise of labioplasty in the UK.

That's the one I saw

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Firstly: "Where is the cosy, non-threatening equivalent to ''willy''?" - I know it's fallen into disuse, but what about "fanny"? I know it means something different in America, but AFAIK in Australia it's always been a non-threatening euphemism for "vulva".

"Fanny" is a word used on the daily at our house lol. It is probably the word used most often :P

 

As vulgar and rude as Juggs is, we refer to them as doodles and fannies lol. Then we have our own language so a vagina is also a Fizz, a Fizzle or a Fan Fan. Then we call each each fizzy, fizzy face, fizzy fasay, fizzle chops etc. You get the picture. We are so mature :P

 

 

As for the topic at hand, I have no real desire to get surgery to fix anything up, im quiet happy with myself. I might consider it after childbirth, if it left things all "broken" and I really didnt like the way my body has become. But since that hasnt happened yet, I dont know. I would assume if I was unhappy id atleast consider it, but right now, im happy so the answer is no, I wouldnt.

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Personally, I'm just waiting for some whacked-out-on-coke celebrity to have a miniature laser light display, disco ball and smoke machine installed in there or something. Lady GaGa's probably already done it.

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I have seen this done twice at the hospital I worked at it was a very rare plastic surgery procedure when compared to the other procedures done by the plastic surgeons. Skin grafts and facial skin cancer removals were the most common followed by lumps and bumps off other parts of the body then breast augmentations the list goes on with this far at the other end.

One thing I just want to add I have spoken to these people who get this type of work done breast augmentations and the like.. People who don't understand why you would want this work done label it as a social disorder of sorts brought on by main stream media and pop culture. I disagree, everyone I have spoken to was very rational about why they wanted their procedure done the 'impulse buyers' tend not to make it to the operating table at least not in the Australian private theatres I have worked in, it may be different overseas.

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All such surgeries, which remove or adjust tissue, will have impacts, sometimes susbtantial, on sensitivity.

 

For ladies who have concentrated nerves or enhanced sensitivity across the labia, (or in implants, nipples, etc) it can be very nasty.

 

Something which is avoided in most of the commentary I've seen (Same goes for the complete lack of re-education following masectomy, etc.)

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In terms of genital anxiety, I get the impression women tend to be a lot more affected, despite literally decades of there being an artificial industry trying to inspire the same in men, to make money out of them. Which I think is generally pointless in all counts.

 

If I had trouble wearing common underwear, or being able to wear certain typical things when going swimming, tho', I'd probably be a bit anxious, too. I don't know if that'd be anxious enough to risk losing nerve endings and sensitivity.

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I think that all genitals are grotesque. Even my own.

 

 

I enjoy the things we do with them, just not looking at them.

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Weaver thinks genital appearance should be taught in high school sex education classes. People need to know, he says, that there are as many different labial shapes as there are nose sizes.

You'd think that they could find a better comparison - and just how many people a year get unneccisary nose jobs?

 

 

also to use a non threatening word for it, well the comic least i could do calls it a vagoo

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