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At this stage? Is that likely to change, that I won't be able to freely distribute my material how I wish?

Yes, it's quite possible.

 

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At this stage? Is that likely to change, that I won't be able to freely distribute my material how I wish?

Yes, it's quite possible.

 

Rob.

 

Well I know that, but is it likely? There's a difference.

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P2P is just a vehicle, and would not likely ever become an illegal means of distribution. There are few moral issues, it's no different than using the mail service to send your grandma a Christmas card, or send an XXX movie to some dirty old bugger.

 

In a corporate network, it can be an ideal way to have small software updates distributed for installation.

 

Making P2P methods illegal is about as logical as making it illegal to own a knife, or jackhammer, or car.

 

Then again, we have a Communications Minister with SFA idea about what his job is about, so as illogical as it might be to make P2P illegal, it's far from impossible.

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At this stage? Is that likely to change, that I won't be able to freely distribute my material how I wish?

Yes, it's quite possible.

 

Rob.

 

Well I know that, but is it likely? There's a difference.

 

Depends on who gets their way.

 

 

P2P is just a vehicle, and would not likely ever become an illegal means of distribution. There are few moral issues, it's no different than using the mail service to send your grandma a Christmas card, or send an XXX movie to some dirty old bugger.

 

In a corporate network, it can be an ideal way to have small software updates distributed for installation.

 

Making P2P methods illegal is about as logical as making it illegal to own a knife, or jackhammer, or car.

 

Then again, we have a Communications Minister with SFA idea about what his job is about, so as illogical as it might be to make P2P illegal, it's far from impossible.

Didn't you hear about the groups wanting developing P2P and bittorrent acts to not only become illegal but a criminal activity? Along with copyright infringement becoming a criminal activity iirc.

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At this stage? Is that likely to change, that I won't be able to freely distribute my material how I wish?

Yes, it's quite possible.

 

Rob.

 

Well I know that, but is it likely? There's a difference.

 

Less likely than me not waking up tomorrow, more likely than me being eaten by a dinosaur tomorrow.

 

Rob.

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It would only be illegal if you chose to share copyrighted material.

http://www.samgropler.com/reachout

 

So that's illegal, is it? It's copyrighted material and I've just shared it.

 

 

If you authored the movie, book or song, or if the author/copyright owner gave you an express licence to share the work, then there would be nothing illegal about using P2P to share it with the world.

See, that's what I thought. Apparently I'm wrong.

 

You've technically 'shared' that website and article, but only for reading purposes. I couldn't publish that same document (legally) without your permission as it is copyright material :)

 

When you share a file or copyrighted work via P2P you're distributing something as it is making a copy of the file. Without permission of whoever owns the copyright, you can't legally do this.

 

Essentially that's two different meanings of the same word (sharing).

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What exactly is illegal about that? Is it that I'm making it available for others to use as they wish? Or is it that I'm using a P2P file sharing program? Help a guy out here, I'm a little hazy on the details.

P2P file sharing is not inherently illegal.

 

Like everything else in the world it can be used in committing illegal acts, but beyond that P2P file sharing is not inherently illegal.

 

 

Thread over? :)

 

 

Rob.

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What are you...Stephen Conroy!?!?

 

Of course it's not illegal. No more than the internet is illegal because you can download child porn with it or a phone is illegal because you can organise a drug deal on it or a DVD player is illegal because you can play a pirated DVD on it and so forth.

 

Stupid argument is stupid (but you knew that didn't you).

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Once you have something that is a concrete creation and put it in a medium that can be read and accessed in tangible form i.e. on the net, on a CD etc.. It is automatically protected by copyright laws unless the vehicle you use has a waiver giving your rights to the controller of your vehicle.

 

 

But essentially if you wrote that article and it's yours and you want to distribute it via P2P and you consent to others sharing it then that's all good it's all about what you what you want to happen with it.

 

Copyright is not so much the protection of works but the protection of rights of the author and consent.

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At this stage? Is that likely to change, that I won't be able to freely distribute my material how I wish?

Yes, it's quite possible.

 

Rob.

 

Well I know that, but is it likely? There's a difference.

 

Less likely than me not waking up tomorrow, more likely than me being eaten by a dinosaur tomorrow.

 

Rob.

 

That about sums up that whole thread. I'm guessing that this person who told you P2P was illegal had completely misinterpreted the ACTA negotiations or heard about it from a bad source.

 

For the time being (and I'm guessing that we have a good few years before Uncle Torrence gets picked up by the paddywagon), your file sharing is legal and relatively safe, assuming the material isn't protected by copyright law.

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Torrents have proven to be an interesting legal issue since sites like thepiratebay aren't actually hosting any material which breaches copyright.

 

AIMBOT:

"They don't like it because every person who illegally copies the file is seen as a lost sale. They don't like that one bit."

 

The problem I have with this line of thinking is that a good number, if not most people who download illegally wouldn't bother to buy the products were the option the pirate not available. I expect a lot of people to disagree with me here, but I believe Copyright laws are becoming outdated and unenforceable.

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alright so we have established a basic understanding of how P2P and copy writes work in terms of distributing media. now my question is (considering the loss of potential customers) what happens when you invite friends over to watch a movie? say i bought it and invited 50 people to watch it (maybe not at once since my house just aint that big) does that mean that i'm doing something illegal because they are watching (using) media that they didn't pay for and that i'm essentially distributing something to others without them paying the legal owner for the priveladge tro watch it.

 

do you get where i'm going with this? instead of inviting said 50 people over, what if i P2P that media (because i don't want to get all the snacks)?

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alright so we have established a basic understanding of how P2P and copy writes work in terms of distributing media. now my question is (considering the loss of potential customers) what happens when you invite friends over to watch a movie? say i bought it and invited 50 people to watch it (maybe not at once since my house just aint that big) does that mean that i'm doing something illegal because they are watching (using) media that they didn't pay for and that i'm essentially distributing something to others without them paying the legal owner for the priveladge tro watch it.

If it's a private viewing, that's fine.

 

 

do you get where i'm going with this? instead of inviting said 50 people over, what if i P2P that media (because i don't want to get all the snacks)?

Unless you are the copyright holder, or have the permission of the copyright holder, that would be copyright infringement.

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Simply, showing your movie to 50 people doesn't leave them with a COPY.

 

Distributing your movie via P2P (or an FTP server, or by giving them a burnt copy) leaves them with a copy. An infringing copy, to be exact.

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ahhh so there you go.

 

all we need to do then is just have an app that allows you to watch a form of media, lets say batman forever that you downloaded from a P2P and then at the conclusion of the credits this new app simply deletes the file so that you are not left with a infringing copy.

 

- i could live with a system like that, it allows me to buy things (perhaps more so) and also allows me to check things out and share without any nasty legal issues right. Think about it like this, if we could setup a good streaming system that is fast and high quality, i could buy things like the full Matrix BD set and never open it (collectors bane) but would be able to download and watch it at anytime free and without being left with an additional illegal copy.

 

tell me i'm not onto something good here.

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It's not illegal yet, but certain groups want bittorrent, and developing any P2P or bittorrent software to be illegal and a criminal offence, regardless of what it's actually used for.

I'd be down with that purely because World of Warcraft uses Bittorrent for updates.

 

Also, people need to use usenet.

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It's not illegal yet, but certain groups want bittorrent, and developing any P2P or bittorrent software to be illegal and a criminal offence, regardless of what it's actually used for.

I'd be down with that purely because World of Warcraft uses Bittorrent for updates.

 

Also, people need to use usenet.

 

I bet we'd feel a great disturbance in the force then, as if millions of voices yelled out, then stuck remotes up their collective butts.

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ahhh so there you go.

 

all we need to do then is just have an app that allows you to watch a form of media, lets say batman forever that you downloaded from a P2P and then at the conclusion of the credits this new app simply deletes the file so that you are not left with a infringing copy.

Meanwhile, you've distributed infringing copies.

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ahhh so there you go.

 

all we need to do then is just have an app that allows you to watch a form of media, lets say batman forever that you downloaded from a P2P and then at the conclusion of the credits this new app simply deletes the file so that you are not left with a infringing copy.

 

- i could live with a system like that, it allows me to buy things (perhaps more so) and also allows me to check things out and share without any nasty legal issues right. Think about it like this, if we could setup a good streaming system that is fast and high quality, i could buy things like the full Matrix BD set and never open it (collectors bane) but would be able to download and watch it at anytime free and without being left with an additional illegal copy.

 

tell me i'm not onto something good here.

It sounds tight, 'til you remember that your DVD or BRD also says that you can't broadcast it.

 

Also what 1shot said.

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Then streaming.. ?

Precisely this.

 

Streaming doesn't leave you with a copy, and yet it can still be an infringement of copyright.

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ahhh so there you go.

 

all we need to do then is just have an app that allows you to watch a form of media, lets say batman forever that you downloaded from a P2P and then at the conclusion of the credits this new app simply deletes the file so that you are not left with a infringing copy.

 

- i could live with a system like that, it allows me to buy things (perhaps more so) and also allows me to check things out and share without any nasty legal issues right. Think about it like this, if we could setup a good streaming system that is fast and high quality, i could buy things like the full Matrix BD set and never open it (collectors bane) but would be able to download and watch it at anytime free and without being left with an additional illegal copy.

 

tell me i'm not onto something good here.

I hate to burst your bubble, but you're still infringing copyright with that example. The act of making the copy in the first place infringes copyright. Whether the copy gets deleted later is immaterial.

 

The only way to make your system work would be to transmit data to your computer - that would be the creation of an infringing copy.

 

Colganaitor: Before you inadvertently commit copyright infringement at uni, I'll just clarify the fair dealing defence to copyright infringement. Just because you're doing academic research, it doesn't mean you can infringe copyright willy-nilly. There is the test of "fair dealing". It's an objective test that depends on the circumstances of the case. Generally, if you copy one article in an edited journal or less than 10% of a book, then you'll fall within the fair dealing exception. Any more, and you could be pushing it. Of course, it depends on the circumstances.

 

It's also important to remember that the copying must be done for the purpose of education, research or training. You can't use the fact that you're an Arts student to try to argue that the many gigs of porn you downloaded in breach of copyright were obtained for education, research or training. That is, unless you're studying Gender Studies or something similar and writing a paper on pornography. :P

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I'm going to say right of the bat, I didn't read every, single post... but I understand the general direction the thread is heading in. (Lol)

 

Bit Torrent is a lovely, lovely program; and certainly one of the best, and most convenient ways of distributing files P2P. I understand the issue people have with piracy, and the way P2P file sharing is used to distribute pirated files, but making the use of Bit Torrent illegal, is like making plastic bags illegal because you might want to fill them with cocaine.

 

I know lots of people who prefer to download files through a bit torrent client, than from an FTP server. Quite frankly, I agree with them on the most part; I have never had a problem with torrented files, no viruses or data corruption. (I'm not even sure if data corruption is possible on a torrented file, unless the original file was also corrupt)

 

Anyway... Now i'm rambling, back to the point I was trying to make. If what you're doing (Distributing files via a torrent) isn't illegal (You own the right to distribute those files) I cannot, see why anyone could, or would have a problem with it.

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