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I liked the part where they said that all of us living in rural areas wanted to sit in our utes and send quotes on our ipads and don't want or need fast internet in our houses.

Yeah I laughed at that too :D

 

I live in a 4-year-old house in Sydney that doesn't have access to ADSL due to having no ports on the RIM available. Because I have good wireless coverage I doubt that will ever be fixed without an infrastructure plan such a Labor's. I'm happy with the speed of my wireless, I just don't like paying $120 per month for 10GB.

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The duplication of cable meant that consumers paid less than they had been paying, but more than they could have been paying.

 

cunt.

 

 

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I have always said that the best way to break up the Telstra monopoly would have been to keep the network and maintenance in a corporatised government department, and introduce competition in the retailing of that network. But I'm not sure whether it would have been cheaper - Governments don't have a good track record in providing anything efficiently.

 

 

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Apparently yes, on the basis that your post is still there :) Edited by Virtuoso

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Apparently yes, on the basis that your post is still there :)

 

The Mods aren't as fast as the good old days :D

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So they're basically paying for an upgrade of our existing copper/DSL services...

 

Is it just me or are both parties hopeless at this whole.... 'setting up future infrastructure' thing? :P

 

Well atleast one party is starting fresh to make it worth while. Shame their other policies are shit.

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No substance.

 

I'm still voting coalition because $43 billion is a gigantic waste of money spent on service duplication for the 0.05% of Australians who need faster porn.

You must live in major metro city.

 

You must live in a rural area. Maybe I should complain to you about how expensive my mortgage is.

 

And that way we can both tell each other to stop being crying nancies and realise that the choices we all make affect the services and costs of living available to us.

 

I live in a metro city, so you're wrong. I know people that live within 15KM's of the city who cannot get any broadband because Telstra refuse to upgrade their local exchange.

 

Part of the deal with privatising Telstra is that rural areas should not suffer, and if it's bad for people in Brisbane how will it be for those in remote areas.

 

The reason why we're in this situation is that Telstra are purposefully holding back technology development. It is obvious that the NBN wouldn't be required if Telstra were a market leader.

 

So the coalition will spend 6 Billion on nothing? No major advances.

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The duplication of cable meant that consumers paid less than they had been paying, but more than they could have been paying.

 

cunt.

 

 

(can I say that?)

 

No, you cannot say that.

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Abbott was a joke on The 7:30 Report, (on broadband specifically; he seemed fine on recalling all sorts of figures for school building). You expect the question dodging, but to be so plainly under prepared and just keeping on saying what Labor can't do is disgraceful. The lesson here is, don't release policy on the same day as an interview and know nothing about it. I was almost laughing when Kerry asked him if he knew what peak-speed was.

 

This plan is a short term stop-gap measure that won't get us anywhere unfortunately. Australia is just too vast for serious competitiveness in telecommunications infrastructure to drive these types of changes. I believe that we do need a Government run monopoly to get things off the ground.

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I have always said that the best way to break up the Telstra monopoly would have been to keep the network and maintenance in a corporatised government department, and introduce competition in the retailing of that network. But I'm not sure whether it would have been cheaper - Governments don't have a good track record in providing anything efficiently.

It was always the logical way to go.

 

As for inefficiency, that is usually because the work is performed to a higher standard than contractors etc are held too.

 

You know, this might be the deal breaker for me.

I've been fence sitting for a while, wavering one way or the other but this plan is just cobbled together bullshit!

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this plan is just cobbled together bullshit!

It is, but there's no way it will materialise.

It's just the libs trying to keep up with the Joneses so as to garner a few more votes.

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Abbott was a joke on The 7:30 Report, (on broadband specifically; he seemed fine on recalling all sorts of figures for school building). You expect the question dodging, but to be so plainly under prepared and just keeping on saying what Labor can't do is disgraceful. The lesson here is, don't release policy on the same day as an interview and know nothing about it. I was almost laughing when Kerry asked him if he knew what peak-speed was.

 

This plan is a short term stop-gap measure that won't get us anywhere unfortunately. Australia is just too vast for serious competitiveness in telecommunications infrastructure to drive these types of changes. I believe that we do need a Government run monopoly to get things off the ground.

Honestly, Abbott just looks like an idiot when there's no scripted answer. What's so hard about "peak speed"? LOL

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I'm not sure how this plan is supposed to 'stimulate competition' more than we currently have. There's already a bunch of telcos around 'competing' with each other, but they're all still charging big bucks for crappy service.

A nationally owned network infrastructure will definitely stimulate competition.

 

At the moment, Telstra's wholesale pricing is still driven up artificially high by the fact they need to load in their bloated management, multi-business arms and retailing costs.

 

Plus, Telstra still use every trick in the book to stymie competition, even to the point of flat out lying about node availability in order to deny competitors access - contrary to the legislation. Whenever they get caught, they pay a fine which is a pittance compared to the business they've been able to protect by behaving illegally.

 

A nationally-owned broadband network would create a lower cost* platform which all competitors can then onsell from a level playing field. We'd see much greater variation and pricing against speed, download quota, reliability, value-added services, and the like.

 

* Being government owned and run, it wouldn't be a "least cost" platform. But I am certain it would be a damn sight less than Telstra's network, and would cost less than a new commercial entity would charge us for the sake of using any new network they built.

 

Sorry, I was referring the coalition plan, not the NBN. I think the NBN, with publicly owned infrastructure, is a good idea.

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I don't really get the counter argument to the NBN.

 

Our broadband by international standards is expensive and slow, in short, unacceptable for a developed country.

Upgrading existing technology (the copper network) will make it expensive and slightly less slow- Still unacceptable.

 

The opposition has cobbled together a last minute plan around upgrading the I.T INFRASTRUCTURE OF AN ENTIRE NATION! And somehow thats an acceptable policy? Its a joke and they should be embarrassed to put it forward.

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I don't really get the counter argument to the NBN.

 

Our broadband by international standards is expensive and slow, in short, unacceptable for a developed country.

Upgrading existing technology (the copper network) will make it expensive and slightly less slow- Still unacceptable.

 

The opposition has cobbled together a last minute plan around upgrading the I.T INFRASTRUCTURE OF AN ENTIRE NATION! And somehow thats an acceptable policy? Its a joke and they should be embarrassed to put it forward.

I think they think they can save billions by not building the NBN, and then spending the money somewhere else.

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I don't really get the counter argument to the NBN.

 

Our broadband by international standards is expensive and slow, in short, unacceptable for a developed country.

Upgrading existing technology (the copper network) will make it expensive and slightly less slow- Still unacceptable.

 

The opposition has cobbled together a last minute plan around upgrading the I.T INFRASTRUCTURE OF AN ENTIRE NATION! And somehow thats an acceptable policy? Its a joke and they should be embarrassed to put it forward.

I think they think they can save billions by not building the NBN, and then spending the money somewhere else.

 

On pollies pay rises and overseas trips?

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On pollies pay rises and overseas trips?

Uber-sized-refugee camps in Nauru I think.

 

We have to support Nauru anyway.

That'll cost fuck all.

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