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So I'm probably bi-polar...

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or stand up and take responsibility for yourself. all i'm hearing is oh no i've got this and that and it's because of this or that wah wah wah.

 

you do realize that whatever "condition" you may or may not have will become greatly influenced by your approach to it. your jsut running away from having to deal with something the hard way using doctors drugs and blaming things that are supposedly out of your control. if you want to you can control it and the first major, huge, biggest step is eating correctly as has already been mentioned. get good nutrition and you will feel an improvement, tell yourself that your going to be strong and energetic and then do things instead of just wollowing about. take affirmative personal action and be responsible for yourself instead of shifting the blam to other things.

 

i dont' mean to be negative or bad, think of it more as hard constructive criticism, afterall it's not like you have to listen to me anyway.

 

Yes... if I concentrate hard enough and eat enough Omega 3 I can use my midichlorians to heal the broken part of my brain! It's BRILLIANT!

 

You clearly have no idea what having a mood disorder is like, each day starts with a battle with yourself. I'm not so far gone, but if you'd said that to a depressive person you could probably kill them.

 

You also have no idea about my actual lifestyle. I posted this thread asking for advice from other people... I didn't say "I'm a fatty whiny mc fat fat and I wanna find a magical way to feel better plz help tx". I go for a morning run every weekday at 6am, I play competitive beach volleyball every week, judo every week and I cycle on weekends. I also get a lot of sex, being a gay guy. I monitor my diet and make sure I'm always caloried up so that sugar cravings don't fuck with my moods.

 

And trust me, exercise doesn't always work. I was in a really bad state the other day and went running for 20 min with tears in my eyes - for no fucking reason. I came home and passed out from a complete overload of information in my head... So why don't you go induce a mood disorder, go start an LSD habit or something and come back and tell me how effective fucking exercise and a proper diet is at making you feel better.

 

Weed is a sometimes drug.

 

Having it all the time will fuck your mind up, then your cock and eventually your reproductive system.

Who knows really... medicine is like witchcraft and psychology is it's most primitive form of magic. If weed relieves the symptoms (a drug that kills you very slowly) then I will take it any day over a drug that can kill me overnight (or make me even crazier). If I listen to the doctor, it will take weeks (if not months) to get my dosage right on anything the doctor will want me to be on.

 

It will probably eventually require other drugs to come into play to keep it balanced. I will then need other drugs to help my body cope with all the other drugs. I also have a faulty liver that's currently being investigated (found out last night) and there's a history of liver disease in my mum's family (always knew that)... so not too optimistic about anything that traditional channel's can give me to help me at the moment.

 

And then of course there's always new findings like this,

 

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19891810

 

In bipolar disorder subjects, cannabis use was associated with better neurocognitive function, but the opposite was the case for the schizophrenia subjects. There was a statistically significant interaction effect of diagnosis and cannabis use on focused attention (p=0.019), executive functioning (verbal fluency--set shifting) (p=0.009), logical memory-learning (p=0.007) and on logical memory-recall (p=0.004). These differences in neurocognitive function could not be explained by putative confounders.

 

Also on a more light hearted note, there are positive correlations between bi-polar and creativity.

 

and another interesting doco/biography is the devil and daniel johnston

http://www.sonyclassics.com/devilanddaniel/aboutthefilm.html

 

Its always good to remember that everything is managable and to be cliche'd it could be worse

 

Yeah, the harder part for me has actually been the identity crisis... I've obviously known that I am a fairly impulsive person and that I can have pretty big ups and downs... but all this new information about bipolar symptoms has actually been incredibly disheartening!

 

It feels like I've just found out I'm a copy rolled off the Bipolar Production line and nothing about me is real, I'm just a perfect example of someone with bipolar disorder. I don't actually believe that of course, I think I just need time to process everything... I've only known for 6 days.

 

And yes! I've been reading up on the whole creativity/passion side and I think that has actually played a very big and positive role in my life. I take a lot of risks that people wouldn't... I'm 22 and own my own house, have a great job and an awesome partner... none of those things wouldn't have happened if I didn't have a tendency to push the envelope on things, more than most people would.

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It's a tough road but the best option is to do what you need to do to ensure your own personal safety. If you have been having suicidal thoughts or even committed self-harm - or even if you've done stuff that's fucked shit up significantly - then you probably need some sort of medical treatment. Diet and exercise can only go so far; if it's a serious chemical imbalance (and hence an actual mental illness and not a mere mood swing) then it's likely that a chemical solution will produce the best results.

 

Work with your doctor and if you don't trust what you've been told, then seek a second (or even third) opinion. There are a range of treatment options out there. Also, don't put all your eggs in the drug basket. Although drugs can help manage the symptoms, therapy can help identify particular stressors. Something like cognitive behavioural therapy could help you better manage your condition. I've read that drugs are more effective when combined with therapy.

 

There's no magic bullet and you may have to experiment with different treatments before you find something that works. However, don't lose hope and don't think that just because you've been diagnosed with a mental illness you'll be a drugged-out zombie for the rest of your life. New treatments are frequently being investigated and we're learning more about psychiatry every day. The drugs that are coming onto the market these days tend to be more targeted and more effective. However, before taking them, make sure you get your doctor to explain all the side effects so you know what to expect.

 

Oh and don't mix prescription medication with alcohol and recreational drugs. They can interact in weird and not-so-wonderful ways and this can worsen your condition. Always read the label and follow the instructions. If you're not sure, speak with your doctor.

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At least you'll get some decent sleep, now.

 

I do :) Me and sleep are like.... old lovers seeing each other again after the war...

 

Unfortunately I'm completely useless to society at the moment... even more useless than I was stoned haha

 

Take lots and lots of viagra. If you can still feel drowsy with a 27/4 woody then well, maybe you're a wintering bear.

 

Hahaha - actually, viagra can cause bipolar people to relapse ;)

 

 

No, no. You are not useless. don't be so hard on yourself---you have a medical condition, a boichemical imbalance. Not your fault. I think sharing your experience is VERY useful to others out there hiding in the shadows or denying they may have a problem. it took some balls to post this. no , you may feel useless, that is just a side effect of your depression. Actually, you are dealing with a problem and already are very useful. I hope this encourages you. Long story short, this is awesome post.

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mate, if you need to talk send us a pm.

Similar situation for me. I recomend steering away from the pot as much as possible, the meds they put you on exist as a tool that being said it takes some adjustment for both correct dossage and for your body to adjust to it.

It aint easy and it takes quite a while but sticking with it and touching bass with my psychiatrist regularly ( even if we talk about fuck all) helped me alot.

I wish you the best of luck.

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here is a hug

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No, no. You are not useless. don't be so hard on yourself---you have a medical condition, a boichemical imbalance. Not your fault. I think sharing your experience is VERY useful to others out there hiding in the shadows or denying they may have a problem. it took some balls to post this. no , you may feel useless, that is just a side effect of your depression. Actually, you are dealing with a problem and already are very useful. I hope this encourages you. Long story short, this is awesome post.

 

Ahh, sorry for the misunderstanding - I meant I was useless while taking the drugs the doctor gave me. I don't feel useless, I just literally could not even drive after taking those drugs.

 

It's a tough road but the best option is to do what you need to do to ensure your own personal safety. If you have been having suicidal thoughts or even committed self-harm - or even if you've done stuff that's fucked shit up significantly - then you probably need some sort of medical treatment. Diet and exercise can only go so far; if it's a serious chemical imbalance (and hence an actual mental illness and not a mere mood swing) then it's likely that a chemical solution will produce the best results.

 

Work with your doctor and if you don't trust what you've been told, then seek a second (or even third) opinion. There are a range of treatment options out there. Also, don't put all your eggs in the drug basket. Although drugs can help manage the symptoms, therapy can help identify particular stressors. Something like cognitive behavioural therapy could help you better manage your condition. I've read that drugs are more effective when combined with therapy.

 

There's no magic bullet and you may have to experiment with different treatments before you find something that works. However, don't lose hope and don't think that just because you've been diagnosed with a mental illness you'll be a drugged-out zombie for the rest of your life. New treatments are frequently being investigated and we're learning more about psychiatry every day. The drugs that are coming onto the market these days tend to be more targeted and more effective. However, before taking them, make sure you get your doctor to explain all the side effects so you know what to expect.

 

Oh and don't mix prescription medication with alcohol and recreational drugs. They can interact in weird and not-so-wonderful ways and this can worsen your condition. Always read the label and follow the instructions. If you're not sure, speak with your doctor.

 

Thanks Matej :)

 

I'm onto my third and fourth opinions this morning :) And yeah, I don't think that drugs are the answer for me... I've gotten through the last few years without them (apart from pot), I just have the occasional dark spell that I need to be awoken from... which I reckon a regular drug program is massive overkill for.

 

And yeah, the suicidal and self harm stuff is mostly morbid obsession when I'm depressed, I would never do it - I have waaay too many things left to do. The hardest part is going to be managing the times when I'm "super happy"... but I think counselling can help me train to handle those situations without drugs... and if I can minimize the impact of the "super happy" times then I can reduce the frequency and severity "sad" times.

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Have you considered trying anti-depressants? These aren't as extreme and zombifying as mood stabilisers and they'll help manage the lows. I'm not sure what they'd do with the highs though. It may be best to discuss all the possible options with your doctor.

 

Don't just take your doctor's word for it uncritically and stick with the one drug treatment. As I said, there are myriad options out there; some more extreme than others. I was on antidepressants for a while and it took me quite a few different types (Zoloft was fucked since it made me feel like a zombie, Lexapro didn't do anything and eventually Prozac was helpful). It seems to me like the drowsiness from Seroquel is a side effect you get before your body develops a tolerance. Thus, you could try sticking with it for a while (stick to your doctor's dose) and if it doesn't work, then discuss other options with your doctor.

 

You'll probably need some drugs at some points, i.e. when your condition gets so bad that you're unable to function. But they're not the be-all and end-all. Other treatment options (such as therapy), in combination with drugs, are way more effective in the long-term. Also, if you start doing cognitive behavioural therapy, you'll probably need a lower dosage of drugs. Thus, fewer side effects.

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I was coming in to point out that Alien Intercourse was channeling Tom Cruise, but you've already smacked him down nicely. So... carry on.

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yeah i can see the abuse coming a mile away, sorry for having a difference of opinion, but last i checked there were few in here (except those who have overcome similar situations) that could lay claim to knowing the secret to getting better.

 

our minds are amazingly powerfully and i think we have to try and exploit them for better things and telling yourself that it's something beyond your control looks like a self defeating ethic to me.

 

personally i'm not bashing anyone with these particular troubles or other advice, i think you (kablez) have the ability to overcome anything thats getting at you, obviously correct medication and doctors are a big part of overcoming the problem but you have to try and have confidence in yourself and if you don't, use other peoples confidence, be strong for other people and not for yourself (at least looking beyond myself works for me).

 

everyone understands the norm, being depressed is tough and you can't affect it, thats essentially what i'm hearing. i think that you can affect it for a positive change, obviously it's going to be hard but i still think you can do it.

 

go ahead and tell me i'm an idiot without any understanding, thats fine, but i bet some of you out there also have no experience either, and if you tell me that it' snot possible to help yourself from a personal level then isn't that a self defeating argument? since it looks like it's difficult to get a good balance of drugs to help you in the meantime, why not try alternative methods? meditation or something. i would like to see other options for people with problems other than just drugs and pill concoctions as it sounds like that method is taking a toll. manning up as you have called it is just an alternative theory to try, though i don't like the phrasing "manning up".

 

sorry if i'm causing a disturbance or being an idiot, but i'm only hearing one solution in this thread, and that's more medication and doctors. there has to be something else.

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Now that you've had your third and fourth opinions, what type of bipolar do you think you have?

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Kablez - You haven't said how long you've been on the Seroquel. It'll be a pain, but give it a couple of months. May seem like a slow crawl through hell, but you've got to look at how much life you have left. A couple of months getting through the adaption versus going along unchanged (and possibly worse). You do the math.

I've seen a few friends go through this, surprising number were using pot, surprising number weren't getting better. Yes, the drugs make you feel like a zombie. That's the hard part and what you'll need to deal with, in the short term. CBT can help, but as you know, you have a physical issue which needs to be dealt with, or all the good thoughts and exercise in the world are worth squat.

 

Good luck, and try not to let the turkeys get you down.

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<blather>

It's not that a positive attitude and actions can't be helpful, it's saying that that's all you need that's stupid.

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