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What did xp and vista share?

I doubt that Win 8 will be much of a leap, I'm sure they will try to integrate a lot of their cloud based services (windows live) and it will share a similar GUI to their phones and the next xbox, but I can't see them changing the underlying code much.

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Meh. I still haven't found a compelling reason to move to 7.

I did, it was free!

 

I don't see myself getting windows 8, looks like Vista V3 with another new UI.

 

hehe, looks like something yet has a different UI? Looks nothing like Vista u mean :p (well, not the 'selling point', the new UI, anyway. obviously if you turn off that abstraction it'll look similar to Win7 and Vista).

 

I mean't the underlying code, not that the UI looks the same.

Just like Win7 is Vista V2 with an altered UI.

 

and vista is an evolution of xp etc etc ;) from what I've read, windows 8 is more of a leap from windows 7 than vista was from xp. Yes there will be much shared, as there needs to be to maintain compatibility. but on the other hand, windows 8 will a better cloud integrated OS.

While that probably doesn't mean anything to you, as far as whether or not it's worthwhile upgrading from windows 7 upon release, it is significant and significantly different from windows 7 (vista V2 as you dubbed it).

 

It's also apparently fully coded in .NET instead of C. And will be by extension. Or by initiative of overhauling the code to now make it more (or turly as they put it) multi-threaded. :0

 

As far as the ribbon goes. There is already one in Windows 7. So it will probably just be crammed with more folder options. Hopefully these ones are a bit more relevant. However I've found it super handy to change the view of the folder from the ribbon with the scroll bar.

 

As for Libraries. It's just an easier way to get access to your data from the navigation pane. But.... it's really no harder than listing the User folder in the pane, and just opening up the whole thing.

 

Anyway. Windows 8 should bring us a few more neat things. But Im more excited about Windows marketplace. And how most of the crap that comes free with Windows... won't be pre-installed. You can just download what you want. Which is awesome... coz I don't use any of it. Except WMP.

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Me I love windows 7, and if there is anything that I want/need in windows 8 then I will not hesitate to grab an OEM copy for my machines. I mean why not ? I don't give a shit about a change, or non change of the basic code, for me its all about what it will (or will not) do.

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I think it would Cybes, IIRC it says in the article hybrid sleep uses the hyber file so I'm thinking so.

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I think it would Cybes, IIRC it says in the article hybrid sleep uses the hyber file so I'm thinking so.

Cyber. There's one of he and I are separate people.

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Already? it seems a little early indeed.

I don't get these kinds of comments. Win7 started testing in '08 and shipped '09? Just because XP hung around like a bad smell for half a decade, that doesn't mean it's commonplace (or should be). By the time 8 comes out, 7 will have been around for ~3 years.

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If I download the Win 8 preview will i get a choice to boot in either 7 & 8 or will i be stuck with win 8?

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If I download the Win 8 preview will i get a choice to boot in either 7 & 8 or will i be stuck with win 8?

I believe you get a pretty bootloader to choose.

 

time to partition my system and download it

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The bootloader will contain two box's instead of a list, Win Developer and Win7,.. options to have win7 by default and how long this menu stays on for are configured within the loader.

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The same problem is caused by having auto-restart on, right? Can't you get the error information from the dump files?

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Windows 8 Secure Boot: Designed to Lock Out Linux?

 

Proposed changes to the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware specifications would mean PCs would only boot from a digitally signed image derived from a keychain rooted in keys built into the PC. Microsoft is pushing hard to make this mandatory, so that users cannot override it. This feature would have the handy benefit of excluding alternative operating systems such as Linux and FreeBSD. This is according to Professor Ross Anderson of Cambridge University and other industry insiders. Also, it's not at all clear that it actually secures against viruses and other malware and appears to be solely designed to appease corporate self interests for unbreakable Digital Restrictions Management (DRM).

 

UEFI supercedes the 30 year old veteran BIOS found in most PCs today, which is very inefficient and slow for modern PCs, carrying a lot of old, legacy compatibility baggage that's just not needed in today's PC. UEFI, a key component of Windows 8, is designed to work on several CPU architectures, such as ARM and is streamlined and efficient. It also includes a much improved graphical interface that replaces the keyboard-driven menu system of the BIOS.

 

If the changes are adopted, then any system that ships with only OEM and Microsoft keys will not boot a generic copy of Linux. Tech blogger Matthew Garrett explains that while a signed version of Linux would work, this poses problems:

Firstly, we'd need a non-GPL bootloader. Grub 2 is released under the GPLv3, which explicitly requires that we provide the signing keys. Grub is under GPLv2 which lacks the explicit requirement for keys, but it could be argued that the requirement for the scripts used to control compilation includes that. It's a grey area, and exploiting it would be a pretty good show of bad faith.

 

Secondly, in the near future the design of the kernel will mean that the kernel itself is part of the bootloader. This means that kernels will also have to be signed. Making it impossible for users or developers to build their own kernels is not practical. Finally, if we self-sign, it's still necessary to get our keys included by ever OEM.

 

There's no indication that Microsoft will prevent vendors from providing firmware support for disabling this feature and running unsigned code. However, experience indicates that many firmware vendors and OEMs are interested in providing only the minimum of firmware functionality required for their market.

 

 

However, there's no need to panic just yet, concluded Garrett.

 

The effect of all these changes is to return to the dark days of 2003, when the Trusted Computing platform was being pushed as a way to completely DRM your entire PC to satisfy the content industries. However, this version will be far worse:

 

These issues last arose in 2003, when we fought back with the Trusted Computing FAQ and economic analysis. That initiative petered out after widespread opposition. This time round the effects could be even worse, as 'unauthorised' operating systems like Linux and FreeBSD just won’t run at all. On an old-fashioned Trusted Computing platform you could at least run Linux – it just couldn’t get at the keys for Windows Media Player.

 

The extension of Microsoft’s OS monopoly to hardware would be a disaster, with increased lock-in, decreased consumer choice and lack of space to innovate.

 

 

Anderson concludes that this restrictive technology might violate EU competition law, on Cambridge University's Light Blue Touchpaper blog.

TechPowerUp Edited by nobody813

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Hey guys, what settings on VirtualBox did you use to get Windows 8 working? I can't get it to boot to the installation screens.

I have only 3GB available to my OS so can't throw RAM at the VM.

Edited by Jeruselem

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Windows 8 Secure Boot: Designed to Lock Out Linux?

Not going to happen, Microsoft is not that dumb, they know the would be hit by huge fines if they did that.

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I'll wait for Oracle to patch VirtualBox to support Win8 ...

I thought it did?

What settings are you trying to run it on?

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