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Fallout 3 is better than HL2 and Deus Ex

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Seriously, what the hell is with people saying this all the time? Are they just suffering from post-release hype or what? "Fallout 3 is better than Half-Life and Deus Ex". What the fuck? Have you played any of the 3? Fallout 3 is a good game, but it's not great. Deus Ex and Half-Life are timeless classics. You can not compare a middling fps/rpg game that isn't even half as good as it's predecessors (Fallout 1 and 2) to greats like HL and Deus Ex.

/rolls eyes

 

People are allowed to think what they want, amigo. Personally, I'm inclined to agree, I'm having more fun with Fallout 3 than I did HL2 and even, dare I say it, Deus Ex.

 

And IMHO, Fallout 3 isn't just great, it's totally reeking of awesomeness.

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Did... Did you just call me amigo?

 

Saying that Fallout 3 is better than Deus Ex and Half Life 2 is like saying that "So What" by Pink (current #1 on top 40) is better than Fur Elise. You may be enjoying it now, you may find it fun, or even good, hell, as you said, you may be enjoying it more than the other two, but it's still nowhere near as good as the previous two games.

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fallout 3 is in some ways better than deus ex with gameplay and obviously graphics but the one thing that made deus ex so great was the story which is where deus ex 2 and fallout 3 falls flat on its face im afraid and its incredibly short without the side quests

as for comparison to hl2 i just cant do it its to different

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Did... Did you just call me amigo?

 

Saying that Fallout 3 is better than Deus Ex and Half Life 2 is like saying that "So What" by Pink (current #1 on top 40) is better than Fur Elise. You may be enjoying it now, you may find it fun, or even good, hell, as you said, you may be enjoying it more than the other two, but it's still nowhere near as good as the previous two games.

Depends what you're looking for I guess. To be fair it's really like comparing apples and oranges as far as I'm concerned.

 

Is Fallout 3 a "better" FPS than HL2 or Dues Ex... no. Of course not. It's not trying to be.

 

Is Fallout 3 a much *better* RPG than HL2 and Dues Ex... without question.

 

Different strokes for different folks.

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Did... Did you just call me amigo?

 

Saying that Fallout 3 is better than Deus Ex and Half Life 2 is like saying that "So What" by Pink (current #1 on top 40) is better than Fur Elise. You may be enjoying it now, you may find it fun, or even good, hell, as you said, you may be enjoying it more than the other two, but it's still nowhere near as good as the previous two games.

Yes, yes I did :P

 

What I'm getting at is that it's a personal taste thing. There's no absolutes in this. You found the other games more fun, I found Fallout 3 more fun. Somebody else probably finds a completely different game more fun.

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He said better, not more fun.

Don't know about you but most people play games for fun.

So saying a game is better implies it is much more enjoyable.

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There is such a thing known as game design, quality control, etcetera. You can play the funnest game in the world but that doesn't mean it's been designed well.

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He said better, not more fun.

SO WHAT!!!

 

Settle down no need to flipendo, he is entitled to his opinion.

 

Personally i agree with the statement. I prefer Fallout 3 over Half life. (have yet to play Deus however)

 

What i am comparing is a rough fun factor, because as neowulf said, your comparing apples and oranges.

Half Life might not be everyones cup of tea or vice versa.

Should I flip out at them because they don't share the same thought process as I, NO.

 

Also:

 

You have compared Fallout 1 and 2 to 3.

Its like comparing GTA to GTA IV.

They are pretty much different games.

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I'm trying to like the game, but it's not really grabbing me. I find myself getting sidetracked by something I see off in the distance and 'need' to explore and then I see something else once I get there and then after an hour or so I realise I've got absolutely nothing done and turn the game off. It's really not helping when the original goal is to find a way to the GNR building location.

 

Vats is really coming off gimmicky at best, I've only managed to shoot off someone's weapon once when they were running away from me and I've yet to come across an instance were crippling a limb would be more useful then just shooting them in the head. Perhaps it's supposed to be the 'good' way to make someone flee, but I'm not getting any exp for that...

 

For all the threat of radiation it seems to do absolutely nothing to you.

 

The skills/crafting system could of benefited greatly from being far more like Arcanum then Oblivion (and give you something to do with all that crap lying around that does next to nothing). Make say 20 points in small arms and 10 points in repair let you craft a Chinese pistol. Then if you have 50 points in explosives as well let you make a version that fires explosive rounds and have other combinations of skills and skill levels give you access to other recipes and make it so every point matters and you need to plan out your character rather then just haphazardly throwing points here and there and picking up a huge amount of +skills items.

 

EDIT: Don't get me wrong, it is a good game, but it's nothing that blew me away like the first two did. The immersion for the game could really be helped if it really did feel like you were at the end of the world, trying to survive after a nuclear holocaust. Make radiation poisoning really mean something, skills and scavenging parts worthwhile (rather then just wandering off to kill a heap of people for more ammo and guns which seem to be more plentiful then food and water) and give exp for avoiding combat etc etc

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I find myself getting sidetracked by something I see off in the distance and 'need' to explore and then I see something else once I get there and then after an hour or so I realise I've got absolutely nothing done and turn the game off. It's really not helping when the original goal is to find a way to the GNR building location.

That's actually one of the things I really like about it. I think it took me four hours to do one of the GNR quests because I kept finding bunkers and buildings and all sorts. Even Oblivion didn't do that for me- I didn't really care about any of the Oblivion side-dungeons or ruins, but something about Fallout 3's atmosphere just made me want to explore them.

 

And FTR, Specialist, I see 'fun' and 'better' as one in the same. I play games to have fun, not because of their perceived superiority.

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There is such a thing known as game design, quality control, etcetera. You can play the funnest game in the world but that doesn't mean it's been designed well.

So you're saying that if I am driving the safest car in the world, it can still designed poorly?

 

Games are made to be enjoyed, played and sell. If it accomplishes these things then it was designed well. ;)

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Safest car in the world that only goes 10km/h, breaks down every 200k's and uses up 5litres/k?

 

Yeah, I'd call that poorly designed.

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Maybe you guys shouldn't play it and let me have the better fun.

 

 

 

Feel free to start a new thread in Green Room over the semantics of correlation between fun and better though :p

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Fallout 3 installs, launches and runs smoothly; and is very much playable, enjoyable and sellable.

 

Consumers don't need to worry about anything beyond that.

 

So i'd say it's Designed well. ;)

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Safest car in the world that only goes 10km/h, breaks down every 200k's and uses up 5litres/k?

 

Yeah, I'd call that poorly designed.

Dude, have you been playing the same game as the rest of us?

 

I can understand why you'd think it's not as good as HL2 or Deus Ex, and I can even get why you'd prefer the originals, but it's supposedly that bad, I want the keys to your games cabinet.

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The plot is ludicrous, 90% of the dialogue is just plain terrible, VATS is gimicky, the ending SUCKS DONKEY BALLS, there're a lot of pathfinding problems... need I go on?

 

It's fun, I like the game, but it's not Fallout and it doesn't deserve the 95-100 score that the majority of the press is giving it. Seriously, game reviewers are the most impressionable people in the world.

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The plot is ludicrous, 90% of the dialogue is just plain terrible, VATS is gimicky, the ending SUCKS DONKEY BALLS, there're a lot of pathfinding problems... need I go on?

 

It's fun, I like the game, but it's not Fallout and it doesn't deserve the 95-100 score that the majority of the press is giving it. Seriously, game reviewers are the most impressionable people in the world.

It's virtually the same plot as the second fallout!

 

Lol.

 

But I do agree you cannot compare it to half life, completely different games.

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The plot is ludicrous, 90% of the dialogue is just plain terrible, VATS is gimicky, the ending SUCKS DONKEY BALLS, there're a lot of pathfinding problems... need I go on?

Yeah, one of them is right.

 

From Vault 87 to the end, it seems very rushed. With a few changes, it would have been fine.

Then the very end is a big letdown (depending on how you played it). Again, a few changes would have made it acceptable.

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The plot is ludicrous, 90% of the dialogue is just plain terrible, VATS is gimicky, the ending SUCKS DONKEY BALLS, there're a lot of pathfinding problems... need I go on?

 

It's fun, I like the game, but it's not Fallout and it doesn't deserve the 95-100 score that the majority of the press is giving it. Seriously, game reviewers are the most impressionable people in the world.

Some of the dialogue is pretty dam close to how 'over the top' the first ones were.

 

In what way is VATs gimicky? Its pretty much run the exact same way the original worked except filmed in a 3D space? and the deaths are just as ridiculous.

 

And what do you mean by pathfinding problems?? In the originals you pretty much ran aimlessly from city to city unless targeted by a quest as well.

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To me Fallout 3 is sort of like a book-to-movie conversion. You will never satisfy the die hard fans of the book, but that doesn't mean the movie isn't enjoyable in its own right. Or even that there won't be people (like in this thread) that enjoy both. Then you will gain a new audience with the movie, some of whom will go back and read the book and enjoy it even more.

 

While I had a couple of flaws with the game as I played through it, I still enjoyed playing through it. And will again I'm sure, once I'm done with RA3. And let's not forget the potential for mods as well, which may just fix some of the criticisms.

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