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so is it worth buying? I was maybe going to buy a game tonight because I have tomorrow off but cant decide between fallout 3, red alert 3 and dead space.

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so is it worth buying? I was maybe going to buy a game tonight because I have tomorrow off but cant decide between fallout 3, red alert 3 and dead space.

Only a day off?

 

Don't get Fallout, it's consumed far more time than a day for me =P

 

Seriously though, Dead Space is pretty damn good but I would have to say get Fallout.

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I think its amazing. I'm still amazed at how fast it runs and loads. NO other game that i've got opens as fast as this one. Its just so immersive too. I love it.

 

And yes, if you play a game because its perceived to be "good" rather than because you are having fun, then maybe you should spend your time doing SOMETHING ELSE which you enjoy.

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so is it worth buying? I was maybe going to buy a game tonight because I have tomorrow off but cant decide between fallout 3, red alert 3 and dead space.

Only a day off?

 

Don't get Fallout, it's consumed far more time than a day for me =P

 

Seriously though, Dead Space is pretty damn good but I would have to say get Fallout.

 

hmm maybe the old savings account might let me get both lol.

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Don't get Fallout, it's consumed far more time than a day for me =P

Heh. I think I've clocked about 17 hours of gameplay and it doesn't look like there's any end in sight.

 

And I love it! I'm not going to rush the main quest, I'm going to have as much fun as I can with it.

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Yeah I got one..

 

The main quest is waaay too short. It seems like theres no end while you play it and all of a sudden BOOM - congrats on winning. Like to go back and wrap up your side quests?? Well TOO BAD.

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Seriously? Deus Ex sucked peen. HL2 was average to mildly good.

 

I have fallout 3 still in its wrapper, bought it on release, and it's waiting patiently for me to play it. I don't know when I will, but it's there when I'm in the mood. The original developers would have cried tears of blood to run their isometric RPG's on a 3D engine, and ALL players of the original fallouts, at the time, would have instantly shelved those old games to jump on Fallout 3, I think some people are more fondly attached to gaming memories than they actually were immersed during the gaming experience.

No-one likes new games anymore.\

Everyone picks the shit outta everything.

Old games suck people, If you dont agree, go reload and play them. Yep. SUCKWORTHY.

 

Everyone misses the point these days and it's enough to make me keep Fallout 3 on the shelf untill the fanfare and bullshit are over. Then I'll just play it because its a game. For fun. Coz that's what games are for.

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Just found this in GiantBomb.com's review:

Also--and I'll surely talk around the specifics of what actually happens at the end of the game--it must be said that the presentation on the game's ending is a bit unfortunate. You may have heard the talk from the developers about how the game has "hundreds" of endings. But the ending is comprised of brief static images and some bits of voiceover that detail what you did over the course of the adventure, and it sort of poorly stitches these moments together to form a stilted, jerky look at a few of the key things you did over the course of the game. Also, I feel like I outsmarted the game's final moments only to have it force me down a specific, undesirable path via one of the most angering lines of dialogue in recent memory. I'd really like to say more about this, because it still has me pretty riled up, but as it's effectively the end of the game, it would be uncouth to talk in specifics.

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I just finished, and yes, i think it is a very unsatisfactory ending, you think its just getting good and your loving the game and it ends. fuck that pisses me off. it didnt seem that long either-or maybe I just played it way to much and expected it to go on forever? but I was only level 13 when I completed the game so I guess not... damn.

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I just finished, and yes, i think it is a very unsatisfactory ending, you think its just getting good and your loving the game and it ends. fuck that pisses me off. it didnt seem that long either-or maybe I just played it way to much and expected it to go on forever? but I was only level 13 when I completed the game so I guess not... damn.

Couldn't agree with you more. I'm just going to halt the main story in my new game and go on a massive expedition of exploration. There's a lot I haven't seen.

 

Also, to the guy claiming that there were bad perks in Fallout 1 and 2, I think you are remembering traits. There were optional traits that had negative and positive aspects but all perks were positive IIRC.

 

I wonder what people will cook up in the mods to come.

 

EDIT: Almost forgot to mention, one of the great things I've noticed about this is the fact that you can kill the Overseer or not, which is determines whether or not it's Amata's father as Overseer later or someone else when you go back to Vault 101. Just things like that. I thought it was a nice touch.

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I've actually held off on the main plot to explore and do all the side-quests I can- partly because it's standard RPG practice in order to develop the best character for a main plot, and partly because quite frankly I can't get enough of exploring, visiting new places and doing new quests. Seems like I'm making a wise choice.

 

I have to wonder what I've got to do to drop my karma enough to be Good/Neutral instead of Very Good, though. I've been on a breaking/entering, hacking, stealing rampage, and I've even assassinated somebody friendly (albeit after finding out he did some very, very naughty things), but it's just not dropping me down.

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I've actually held off on the main plot to explore and do all the side-quests I can- partly because it's standard RPG practice in order to develop the best character for a main plot, and partly because quite frankly I can't get enough of exploring, visiting new places and doing new quests. Seems like I'm making a wise choice.

 

I have to wonder what I've got to do to drop my karma enough to be Good/Neutral instead of Very Good, though. I've been on a breaking/entering, hacking, stealing rampage, and I've even assassinated somebody friendly (albeit after finding out he did some very, very naughty things), but it's just not dropping me down.

Get access to The Citadel then you can halt the main story. The reason being that Paladin Gunny is there and so is Elder Lyons. Get permission to get power armor training from Lyons then get the training from Gunny! Oh right, keep any power armor you encounter and just repair them up in your inventory (if you have repair skill). Quite handy.

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I've actually held off on the main plot to explore and do all the side-quests I can- partly because it's standard RPG practice in order to develop the best character for a main plot, and partly because quite frankly I can't get enough of exploring, visiting new places and doing new quests. Seems like I'm making a wise choice.

 

I have to wonder what I've got to do to drop my karma enough to be Good/Neutral instead of Very Good, though. I've been on a breaking/entering, hacking, stealing rampage, and I've even assassinated somebody friendly (albeit after finding out he did some very, very naughty things), but it's just not dropping me down.

Head to paradise falls my man.

Your Karma will not follow you there.

You'll see what I mean. =P

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I just finished, and yes, i think it is a very unsatisfactory ending, you think its just getting good and your loving the game and it ends. fuck that pisses me off. it didnt seem that long either-or maybe I just played it way to much and expected it to go on forever? but I was only level 13 when I completed the game so I guess not... damn.

Couldn't agree with you more. I'm just going to halt the main story in my new game and go on a massive expedition of exploration. There's a lot I haven't seen.

 

Also, to the guy claiming that there were bad perks in Fallout 1 and 2, I think you are remembering traits. There were optional traits that had negative and positive aspects but all perks were positive IIRC.

 

I wonder what people will cook up in the mods to come.

 

EDIT: Almost forgot to mention, one of the great things I've noticed about this is the fact that you can kill the Overseer or not, which is determines whether or not it's Amata's father as Overseer later or someone else when you go back to Vault 101. Just things like that. I thought it was a nice touch.

 

I didn't mix them up. There was nothing wrong with traits, they were there to help specialise your character, towards being intelligent, a brute, or just taking Bloody Mess for fun. On the other hand, perks which are supposed to be purely good, some were absolute rubbish. Like, I don't know. Kama Sutra master?

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I finished the game the other night and it pissed me off!, but it wasn't the ending itself that annoyed me. Somewhere between the Citadel and the ending my Karma bugged out on me and i went from being very good/urban legend i think (my pic looked like jeebus) to true neutral 0_o. so basicly all the stuff i did during the game ment nothing and I also couldn't recruit fawkes! /anger.

 

Oh well guess i'll just have to go and replay the game ^_^.

 

One thing I would really like to see in the game is a side quest from GNR where you go out looking for new music tapes/records and hand them in for caps etc.. basicly WTB MORE MUSIC PLS! ehhe.

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I finished the game the other night and it pissed me off!, but it wasn't the ending itself that annoyed me. Somewhere between the Citadel and the ending my Karma bugged out on me and i went from being very good/urban legend i think (my pic looked like jeebus) to true neutral 0_o. so basicly all the stuff i did during the game ment nothing and I also couldn't recruit fawkes! /anger.

Be thankful, if you have Fawkes right at the end, it makes the ending 10000% stupider

 

One thing I would really like to see in the game is a side quest from GNR where you go out looking for new music tapes/records and hand them in for caps etc.. basicly WTB MORE MUSIC PLS! ehhe.

There might be...

I was doing some reading up today and one of the other vaults was intended for music preservation.

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I just found out that I have really big balls. It doesn't have anything to do with the game, I just wanted to use the spoiler tags like everyone else :p

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At least the first half of the game was good. I like how you could just explore DC wastelands. Unfortunately once you're dragged off to the Enclave's base you're put on a very fast train to the end. Some of the end game is awesome, like Liberty Prime, but the effort they used for that could have been put into fixing up the end of the game. Kill Fawkes when you take him to BoS. Add some camera shake, steam and some other visual and audio cues in Purity's chamber to add a lot of urgency to the situation. And have the end of game recap. That would have made it perfect.

 

Ps, mine's also on topic ;)

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I didn't mix them up. There was nothing wrong with traits, they were there to help specialise your character, towards being intelligent, a brute, or just taking Bloody Mess for fun. On the other hand, perks which are supposed to be purely good, some were absolute rubbish. Like, I don't know. Kama Sutra master?

Some traits had negative effects too. Like Gifted and Skilled. One would increase your SPECIAL stats while decreasing your skills while the other would do the opposite.

 

Also, Charcoal, that's really the big thing that got me at the end. Where the hell was the narration about how my character affected the wastelands? I want to hear how Megaton prospered/failed or how Big Town finally became a big town and shit. That made ending the game worthwhile. I also want the option to continue playing if I chose not to die. >=(

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Also, Charcoal, that's really the big thing that got me at the end. Where the hell was the narration about how my character affected the wastelands? I want to hear how Megaton prospered/failed or how Big Town finally became a big town and shit.

Yep, the second part of the ending that sucked.

 

I've looked at the bink files that play at teh end and from what I can see there's:

the intro that's the same

Good/bad in the game (and then there's some more movie files that may play over this, depending on which side missions you did)

you/sarah dying

FEV or not.

ending

ending 2 (picture of you and your dad, and this is where most of the movies are from.)

 

Also, I did some digging around the .bsa archives this morning, but didn't find much.

I did find .ogg files that containd the music from the bink movie files, leading me to believe that they were planning on doing the "how you affected the wastelands" in game. Either by showing up textures as a slide show, like the rest of the ending or in game, at the locations.

I didn't find any full screen textures, or any audio files. That could be easily because they were scrubbed to save space. If we eventually get out hands on the construction set we might be able to find out what they were planning for that part, even if there's no way to enable it again.

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I've actually held off on the main plot to explore and do all the side-quests I can- partly because it's standard RPG practice in order to develop the best character for a main plot, and partly because quite frankly I can't get enough of exploring, visiting new places and doing new quests. Seems like I'm making a wise choice.

 

I have to wonder what I've got to do to drop my karma enough to be Good/Neutral instead of Very Good, though. I've been on a breaking/entering, hacking, stealing rampage, and I've even assassinated somebody friendly (albeit after finding out he did some very, very naughty things), but it's just not dropping me down.

Head to paradise falls my man.

Your Karma will not follow you there.

You'll see what I mean. =P

 

I massacred everyone, and I mean everyone at paradise falls (except the kids) and all it got me was good Karma, except when i was killing the slaves :P

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So people have already finished it? How 'big' is it compared to the Elder Scrolls games?

 

I gather it would take a lot longer depending on how much exploring / side quests you do?

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