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I agree, everybody wants, prefers the best for their child. So as well as women caring for the foetus by not drinking alcohol during the pregnancy, it would be remiss for men to be under the influence up to, and

during the act of insemination. Naturally we would want healthy sperms to fertilise the egg.

 

...Healthy sperms make healthy babies :)

Hear that men?

 

Drink like a fish, and kill off your sperm. No condoms required!

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I agree, everybody wants, prefers the best for their child. So as well as women caring for the foetus by not drinking alcohol during the pregnancy, it would be remiss for men to be under the influence up to, and

during the act of insemination. Naturally we would want healthy sperms to fertilise the egg.

 

...Healthy sperms make healthy babies :)

Hear that men?

 

Drink like a fish, and kill off your sperm. No condoms required!

 

Drunk sperm have a terrible aim

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I agree, everybody wants, prefers the best for their child. So as well as women caring for the foetus by not drinking alcohol during the pregnancy, it would be remiss for men to be under the influence up to, and

during the act of insemination. Naturally we would want healthy sperms to fertilise the egg.

 

...Healthy sperms make healthy babies :)

Hear that men?

 

Drink like a fish, and kill off your sperm. No condoms required!

 

That's not quite right , but I can see how some would see that as the message ;) It's about making healthy babies, ie the women looking after the foetus and the men giving sober, undamaged sperm.

Need to get it as right as possible from day dot.

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i dont think its a tragedy to cry over. but at the same time, i probably wouldnt be comfortable with it were it my child.

 

as a one-off i expect its probably harmless, but also expect the extent to which alcohol might be harmful is difficult to determine or undetermined.

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I agree, everybody wants, prefers the best for their child. So as well as women caring for the foetus by not drinking alcohol during the pregnancy, it would be remiss for men to be under the influence up to, and

during the act of insemination. Naturally we would want healthy sperms to fertilise the egg.

 

...Healthy sperms make healthy babies :)

Hear that men?

 

Drink like a fish, and kill off your sperm. No condoms required!

 

That's not quite right , but I can see how some would see that as the message ;) It's about making healthy babies, ie the women looking after the foetus and the men giving sober, undamaged sperm.

Need to get it as right as possible from day dot.

 

I agree from a "makes sense really" kinda way.

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Who craves alcohol...an alco?

 

I dont think 1 shot is going to cause damage, I find her stating that she is craving alcohol weirder than the actual act of having a shot. Sure you'd miss having a drink but to crave it...I know that pregnant women crave weird things but ive never heard of craving alcohol...only alcoholics crave that.

 

But that said, Ive never been pregnant so I could be wrong.

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I have no idea.

I'm not a doctor, and especially not a doctor specialising in a related field.

 

My understanding is that it's contentious, and depends on who you talk to.

Contentious? Please elaborate.

 

It's a debate we settled two years ago.

Guideline two. Any amount could be harmful. So why risk it?

http://www.nhmrc.gov.au/_files_nhmrc/publi...s10-alcohol.pdf

 

That says the lowest risk is to not drink anything.

That's a truism, but doesn't demonstrate that there is a risk from drinking at levels above 0 drinks per week.

 

Studies have demonstrated no FAS effects below 15 drinks per week (in the US), while other studies have shown big issues at lower levels.

The reason for this is that mothers can have very different pharmacokinetics for alcohol.

What that means, is the products of the breakdown of alcohol, and the length of time it has effect, and therefore the exposure of the foetus, vary between mothers.

One mother might be able to drink a bit more than another, who shouldn't touch it.

 

Unfortunately, there is no way to know what is safe for you.

 

There are studies highlighting issues with development age 6, as a result of one drink per day in some kids.

 

So, you are right, the safest amount to drink is none.

However, if you want to know "what is safe", it's both contentious (depends on which professional you ask), and dependent on your own factors which can't (easily) be assessed.

The safest is none, but there is no agreed upon point at which alcohol consumption has a minimal effect.

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I think that it is not contenious so much as (as you state) uncertain. Due to that any professional who tells a client that she can drink "safely" any amount, while pregnant or trying to concieve, is a bloody idiot.

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Advice for women who are pregnant or planning

a pregnancy

• Not drinking alcohol is the safest option.

• The risk of harm to the fetus is highest when there is high, frequent,

maternal alcohol intake.

• The risk of harm to the fetus is likely to be low if a woman has

consumed only small amounts of alcohol before she knew she

was pregnant or during pregnancy.

• The level of risk to the individual fetus is influenced by maternal

and fetal characteristics and is hard to predict.

 

From Hlass's link.

 

I guess it comes down to level of risk. No one is saying high consumption of alcohol is a good thing, but the evidence surrounding low level drinking of 1 standard drink per week is not strong enough to say all alcohol is bad. Some of the studies in that guideline showed no difference with such low levels of alcohol, and many didn't compensate for other factors.

 

As they say, no Alcohol is the safest, doesn't make someone who has any alcohol a blood idiot.

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The way i see it, its her choice but i would of advised her not to. I mean i had a car accident when i was 19 and was advised to not drink for 2 years, which i did (minus the sip of a 50 year old scotch a mate got for his 21st) and i didn't really find it that hard to not drink.

 

But then again it is her choice.

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Cheekz: Trust me when I say women crave strange things. Alcohol is normal for a craving. EXTREMELY normal for pregnant women. I haven't met a mother yet who did not crave alcohol at least once (if not more) during their pregnancy. It's part of the 'I want to feel normal because I feel fat and ugly thing' (I think. Male conjecture here).

 

And if you think 1 shot of alcohol will cause damage. Well. Stress can also cause harm to your baby. If a mother is feeling stressed and upset due to this, which is causing more damage?

 

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Cheekz: Trust me when I say women crave strange things. Alcohol is normal for a craving. EXTREMELY normal for pregnant women. I haven't met a mother yet who did not crave alcohol at least once (if not more) during their pregnancy. It's part of the 'I want to feel normal because I feel fat and ugly thing' (I think. Male conjecture here).

 

And if you think 1 shot of alcohol will cause damage. Well. Stress can also cause harm to your baby. If a mother is feeling stressed and upset due to this, which is causing more damage?

 

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Yes if the mother is stressed, logically it has to affect the foetus.

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I am of the opinion that the female should not drink during pregnancy. Spoke to some friends and it looks like I was the one out of touch. Go figure.

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I'm of the opinion that there should be zero alcohol during pregnancy.

 

However, I'm also a realist.

 

I say that it is highly unlikely that 1 drink will cause harm, however, that does not mean that they SHOULD have that 1 drink.

 

There are many things we do.

 

I am putting my son through (and that sounds like a bad way of saying it, but anyways) a vaccine trial at the moment. Avian influenza. As a parent, I've weighed the risks and feel that the benefit to the community as a whole (and as such, to my son) is greater than the minimal risk involved.

 

So... If having a drink is such a major stressor (which it can be for a craving pregnant woman), then perhaps it would be better to have a drink. PERHAPS!

 

I dunno.

 

BAH

 

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Who craves alcohol...an alco?

 

I dont think 1 shot is going to cause damage, I find her stating that she is craving alcohol weirder than the actual act of having a shot. Sure you'd miss having a drink but to crave it...I know that pregnant women crave weird things but ive never heard of craving alcohol...only alcoholics crave that.

 

But that said, Ive never been pregnant so I could be wrong.

 

I don't think she was craving alcohol, she was craving something nice tasting, like baily's.

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Yup, we have a bar with plenty of spirits and beer/wine. -> She opted for a sweet baileys coffee.

 

I think bad upon principle, but in this situation it wasn't doing any harm.

 

I think it's a grey area, not black and white

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alcohol early in pregnancy is always going to be the worst time i reckon - any drug (incl caffeine) in the first 6-7 weeks is inadvisable as that's the time when all the bits are getting arranged, and thereafter you have a basic template that grows

 

many women don't even realise they are pregnant till several weeks into pregnancy, and not all pregnancies are planned even in stable relationships

lots of other party drugs get used in women of childbearing age and the decision to keep a pregnancy is often complicated by concern about relatively minimal use around the supposed time of conception

 

one hit of baileys at mid-trimester or later would probably be less harmful than being brought up by someone who got in a lather of anxiety about one shot of baileys at that point in her pregnancy

 

i'd bet that once she's a parent of two young children she'll want another baileys anytime soon after

and when they hit teenage she may well need a bottle of the stuff :)

 

Betzie's ex-friends kids are almost certain to have foetal alcohol syndrome, and possibly other medical issues. It's permanent. It's not good. The parents should be shot in the face by Dick Cheney.

i lol'd at the response - fair but brutal

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To be honest i don't think it really matters. But at the same time, 9 months without alcohol can't be that hard. I mean why take the chance? My wife went 9 months without alcohol and she didn't even break a sweat and she loved to have have a drink every now and again.

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To be honest i don't think it really matters. But at the same time, 9 months without alcohol can't be that hard. I mean why take the chance? My wife went 9 months without alcohol and she didn't even break a sweat and she loved to have have a drink every now and again.

 

morning sickness makes abstaining easier i reckon

 

interestingly as an historical note, as late as the late 1970's alcohol by infusion was a recognised treatment to delay the onset of premature labour

 

the problem (apart from being quite likely no better than placebo) was that the level of blood concentration suggested was enough to render the patient really pissed, and often belligerent

 

times change i guess

 

we no longer help infants sleep with a bit of opium under their (sucked) thumbnail

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one hit of baileys at mid-trimester or later would probably be less harmful than being brought up by someone who got in a lather of anxiety about one shot of baileys at that point in her pregnancy

I like this response.

 

morning sickness makes abstaining easier i reckon

My sister said it was astoundingly easy to drop smoking and drinking once she became pregnant at 30. She's tried to quit smoking several hundred times before that. Had even stopped for over a year but gone back. Since the nephew came along, it just hasn't bothered her.

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I think that it is not contenious so much as (as you state) uncertain. Due to that any professional who tells a client that she can drink "safely" any amount, while pregnant or trying to concieve, is a bloody idiot.

Cool, well I'll give up driving, flying, and living within 5km of my home as it's safest not to do any of those things.

 

I'm not disagreeing. If my wife was pregnant, I'd advise her not to take any alcohol at all, and I'm sure she'd agree.

 

However my point is that outside of the "no alcohol is safest" rule, which as I pointed out is a truism, the dose vs risk comparison is extremely complicated and contentious.

It's contentious because there are apparently good studies that give markedly different analysis of the situation.

 

Suffice to say, the actual risk is contentious. No alcohol is best, but whether one drink carries risk at all is IMHO contentious. Not whether a professional should say she can drink or not.

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