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As a 10 year Atomic reader,subscriber and forum user I am interested in the following.

 

1) Do you or did you at one stage subscribe to Atomic and if so, why?

I bought them from issue 5 over the counter and started subscribing around issue 20 because I found the mag covering what I was interested in.

 

 

2) If you don't subscribe anymore or never have,why not?

I stopped subscribing a few years back when I found the content was moving away from my interests.

I no longer buy over the counter.

 

3) What would it take to get you to subscribe again?

I don't think I would. While I did love my first atomic T-shirt I'm not sure if that would sway me :)

But then again, those atomic stickers were sweet :) but certianly not those shitty DVD's LOL

 

 

4) Roughly how long have you been visiting the forums?

10 years

 

5) How many hours a week would you spend on here?

Probably 10 hours I suppose.

 

6) How does that compare to 2 years ago?

It's a lot less. The forums move slower and so do I :)

 

7) Do you see yourself still here in 2 years time?

I don't know. There are a few people on here I consider mates and the forums are my only real contact with them.

 

 

8) On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being the highest) rate your Atomic experience.

Over the 10 years I'd have to give it a big 8!!!

 

9) If you could change one thing about the mag or forums, what would it be?

For me I'd add more hard core tech and less gaming in the mag.

 

10) And finally, who is/was your favorite writer for the Mag?

For me it was Ben and John. I can't split them.

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1) Do you or did you at one stage subscribe to Atomic and if so, why?

Yes, just because i was visiting the news agents to grab the mag all the time.

 

2) If you don't subscribe anymore or never have,why not?

It's just not the same anymore... as mentioned less hardcore tech now

 

3) What would it take to get you to subscribe again?

Back into the hardcore!!!

 

4) Roughly how long have you been visiting the forums?

Ahh i had another account in 2003 but for this one been lurking since 08.

 

5) How many hours a week would you spend on here?

Too many

 

6) How does that compare to 2 years ago?

Alot more :)

 

7) Do you see yourself still here in 2 years time?

Hard to tell but i would hope so.

 

8) On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being the highest) rate your Atomic experience.

I would give it 6 now.. probably an 8 a few years baxk

 

9) If you could change one thing about the mag or forums, what would it be?

For me I'd add more hard core tech and less gaming in the mag.

This.

 

10) And finally, who is/was your favorite writer for the Mag?

I did enjoy alot of Dans stuff

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I bet we're going to see a lot of folks wanting a return to hardcore stuff :)

And knowing these guys, probably porn too :)

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Actually... just throw in one of the old case window stickers, and an atomic t shirt (must be MPC... none of this MPG crap)

 

And i'm yours

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I think I have some of those stickers in my drawer...

Now the tshirt.... slowly..

 

Heh... this place needed some more innuendo.

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1) Do you or did you at one stage subscribe to Atomic and if so, why?

OTC from issue 2 for far too long, subscribing for a couple of years. It was fresh, specifically relevant to Australia, and not loaded down with ads; UK mags have more ads than content, and US mags don't think the world exists beyond their own borders.

 

 

2) If you don't subscribe anymore or never have,why not?

I stopped subscribing a few years back when I found the content was moving away from my interests.

 

 

3) What would it take to get you to subscribe again?

A return to the sort of content the original mag had would do it. That isn't going to happen, though. Cover bling is not going to do it - none of the stuff I got from cover disks has ever made it into my archives.

 

 

4) Roughly how long have you been visiting the forums?

On and off for years from shortly after the forum opened as a lurker, and pretty much every day since I eventually posted something.

 

 

5) How many hours a week would you spend on here?

Hard to judge - I tend to check in about once or twice an hour for most of every day, but each time is a few minutes typically unless replying to something.

 

 

6) How does that compare to 2 years ago?

About the same. I have no life. ;P

 

 

7) Do you see yourself still here in 2 years time?

I don't know. I've lived through several interests, and they usually last somewhere around 7 years, but computing and gaming has been more or less a constant since 1983.

 

 

8) On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being the highest) rate your Atomic experience.

Yeah, I'd reckon about a 7 or 8.

 

 

9) If you could change one thing about the mag or forums, what would it be?

As already mentioned: more hard core tech and less gaming. Actually, even some of the gaming stuff would be ok if it changed focus from standard play to how to get the most out of it.

 

 

10) And finally, who is/was your favorite writer for the Mag?

Wow, I don't even know. Your current articles are just as nicely done as ever - they just don't really fit my interests as well as they used to.

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I bet we're going to see a lot of folks wanting a return to hardcore stuff :)

And knowing these guys, probably porn too :)

 

As long as it involves chainmail

 

 

 

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1) Do you or did you at one stage subscribe to Atomic and if so, why?

It is/was relative to my interests

 

 

2) If you don't subscribe anymore or never have,why not?

sub ran out, had started to not read the whole mag only things of interest. Started reading the mainpage on the site/forums more

 

 

3) What would it take to get you to subscribe again?

not sure

 

 

4) Roughly how long have you been visiting the forums?

bit over 2 years

 

 

5) How many hours a week would you spend on here?

too many

 

 

6) How does that compare to 2 years ago?

very rarely viewed forums back then

 

 

7) Do you see yourself still here in 2 years time?

yes

 

 

8) On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being the highest) rate your Atomic experience.

7

 

 

9) If you could change one thing about the mag or forums, what would it be?

 

 

 

10) And finally, who is/was your favorite writer for the Mag?

never really paid attention to who wrote the article.

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1) Do you or did you at one stage subscribe to Atomic and if so, why?

 

No

 

 

 

2) If you don't subscribe anymore or never have,why not?

 

Subs just aint my thing.

 

3) What would it take to get you to subscribe again?

 

It'd have to be a damn good deal, but I doubt I ever will anyway.

 

 

4) Roughly how long have you been visiting the forums?

 

5 or 6 years

 

5) How many hours a week would you spend on here?

 

Anywhere between 5-10 I reckon, Its my go to spot when I'm bored

 

6) How does that compare to 2 years ago?

 

I don't post or visit the forums nearly as much as I used to. I basically jump on ,check for new posts in areas I'm interested in and then bugger off. Considering how slow they move these days, I'd only spend an hour or so total I reckon, compared to the probably 5+ hours a day in the past.

 

7) Do you see yourself still here in 2 years time?

 

I'm still here now, even though the scenery and wildlife has changed a fair bit, its still my "home" so yeah, I'd say I will be.

 

8) On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being the highest) rate your Atomic experience.

 

It'd have to be a 5, as an average, the forums have had so many ups and downs, I find myself loathing them at times and loving them at others.

 

9) If you could change one thing about the mag or forums, what would it be?

 

Less crap in the mag, more decent articles. I got about 40 minutes of reading out of 128 and I read it from cover to cover. They're always talking about space, yet they waste so much of it, like the Dremel Article, did it really need a double page cover for 3 reviews on dremels?

 

10) And finally, who is/was your favorite writer for the Mag?

 

I don't have a favourite, its the writers and contributors as a whole that made me enjoy the mag.

Edited by NukeJockey

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This is actually pretty useful stuff (thanks Hulks!).

 

The way I've always looked at our 'split' of readers is that the vast majority of our print readers don't frequent the forums, which is unlikely to ever change. However, most folks on the forums were at one time readers, though it was more likely they had drifted away from the print edition but not the brand. There's a number of reasons for this, but often it's a mix of print no longer delivers the timely stuff they want, or that the mag wasn't what it was.

 

And both are very true.

 

Tackling the latter first, Cybes pretty much nails it when he says we're not going back to that. While the core readers *here* miss those days, the sliding sales of the mag at the time would suggest the larger readership (who don't come online for their Atomic) wasn't feeling all that excited about sub-zero cooling and crazy modding. In fact, if the magazine had stuck with the hardcore stuff... we'd likely have closed.

 

I'd kinda feel bad about that :)

 

But the new(ish) direction sees us healthier than we've been in a while - and that's not just empty bravado, trust me (my bravado is always FULL!). What's more, we're now shifting to a site-first policy with reviews, so that those who are on the site/forum get proper and timely access to content when it matters most, so at least there's that. And, of course, the forums are still here.

 

They're always talking about space, yet they waste so much of it, like the Dremel Article, did it really need a double page cover for 3 reviews on dremels?

Yeah, that was a tough one (bloody UK articles!), but generally that kind of more interesting layout is where print shines; it's probably the one real advantage print has over online. Sure, we could just load it with text, but that's boring - and that's pretty much how most readers would react to that kind of treatment on a feature :)

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heh I'll bite if it helps having the feed back

 

 

1) Do you or did you at one stage subscribe to Atomic and if so, why?

I currently subscribe and have for the last 4 years bought a few issues when the subs department fucked up but apart from that i've been steady

 

 

2) If you don't subscribe anymore or never have,why not?

I still subscribe but the magazine isnt really doing it for me right now as mentioned about it gets me 40 mins of reading.

 

3) What would it take to get you to subscribe again?

I'll keep subscribing as its better then anything else around currently, But I think it can be a hell of a lot better.

 

 

4) Roughly how long have you been visiting the forums?

6 years, as a youngling on another account and banned :P Came back and made another account in v3 and here I am

 

5) How many hours a week would you spend on here?

To much time for some reason I tend to have it open if I'm on a computer at work or at home its not really ever closed which is sad.

 

6) How does that compare to 2 years ago?

Comes and goes like anything.

 

7) Do you see yourself still here in 2 years time?

I do I like the people around here I've made some good friends who I play on steam with all the time and its a great (if old) community

 

8) On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being the highest) rate your Atomic experience.

8

 

9) If you could change one thing about the mag or forums, what would it be?

hard core tech crazy batshit what got me into this mess in the 1st place.

 

10) And finally, who is/was your favorite writer for the Mag?

I don't care there are tons of great articles but I always enjoy what ever Zeb writes its always a treat

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I've been around for forums since around 2004 (quietly, usually) and have indeed noticed the shift in direction, but it's not all bad.

At the end of the day, most of us can read about hardcore tech elsewhere, but it is sometimes hard to find honest reviews on games or tech, and I feel atomic usually deliver in that department.

 

1) Do you or did you at one stage subscribe to Atomic and if so, why?

No. I've always occationally bought issues over the counter, but i have a quick flick through first and if i see enough interesting reading, will purchase a copy.

 

2) If you don't subscribe anymore or never have,why not?

Some issues don't seem to have much interesting reading, so I will usually just skip them.

 

3) What would it take to get you to subscribe again?

I would consider subscribing to the digital edition on zinio now that it is available, but probably not at the moment, if the option to buy individual issues is available, although I would probably miss having the ability to quickly browse through it before purchasing.

I find most of the content covered in the mag could probably be found online

 

4) Roughly how long have you been visiting the forums?

Approx 7 years.

 

5) How many hours a week would you spend on here?

Its one of a handful of sites not blocked at work, so I spent a fair bit of time on here if things are quiet.

I always feel like I can always contribute somewhere (eg.. right now)

 

6) How does that compare to 2 years ago?

As others have said, things have died down a lot, but there is still great advice/discussion to be had.

 

7) Do you see yourself still here in 2 years time?

probably :)

 

8) On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being the highest) rate your Atomic experience.

Agree with others on the 8/10.

 

9) If you could change one thing about the mag or forums, what would it be?

as others have said, i used to enjoy the more hardcore aspect of the mag. a few more overclocking/tweaking/performance articles.

would be nice to see a build of the month or hotbox style comp again, but without encouraging people to go crazy with cold cathodes and led fans again...

 

maybe also a few more kind of general geekish style articles, that don't have anything to do with hardware, or even computers, but are interesting or worth the read. that sounds so vague but im not going to delete it.. i've enjoyed the warhammer 40k article you wrote on differences between space marine on the pc and the tabletop, but more so for the geek factor than the actual content, as a 40k player i am already familliar with the differences.

 

lastly, less typos in the online reviews! have somebody proof read them before posting them :P I wouldn't say anything if it was just one, but I could probably count over 5 in the last couple days. tsk tsk

 

10) And finally, who is/was your favorite writer for the Mag?

don't have a favourite sorry :) I usually read based on content, not the author.

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They're always talking about space, yet they waste so much of it, like the Dremel Article, did it really need a double page cover for 3 reviews on dremels?

Yeah, that was a tough one (bloody UK articles!), but generally that kind of more interesting layout is where print shines; it's probably the one real advantage print has over online. Sure, we could just load it with text, but that's boring - and that's pretty much how most readers would react to that kind of treatment on a feature :)

 

 

Unfortunately I don't buy magazines for the pictures. If Haymarket wants to go the route of pretty pictures and fuck all real info, so be it, but I probably won't buy another copy after 128, which is a shame. I really dig the writing style of all the guys who contribute to the mag.

 

This is nothing personal, but when I get 40 minutes of reading out of 100 pages, then its time to get my kicks elsewhere.

 

Really need to get me an ipad or something for ebooks and emags.

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i don't know the exact figures

 

but I just got a letter from Dave telling me my last issue is Nov11, and I need to resubscribe, and I don't have any moneys to do so... :(

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1.

I subscribed soon after discovering Atomic, around Issue 4. I have been a subscriber for almost all of the 10 years since.

 

2.

I stopped subscribing recently and it saddens me to say that I don't presently intend to re-sub, even though I had been eagerly awaiting the launch of the digital edition. I believe re-subscribing to the magazine at the moment would only condone - possibly even encourage - the continuing decline in quality of content and production we've observed over the past few years.

 

3.

I'd re-engage if there were improvement in the quality of the magazine. By this I mean, a commitment to content written about products available in Australia, which address the interests of Australians. (Note, for me it's not about 'hardcore', it is about relevance and less filler.) I'd need to see renewed enthusiasm and sense of accountability from the editorial and production team for improving the magazine (eg. not accepting reviews of products not available in Australia, not just shrugging off how kitlog hasn't been updated for months, not accepting graphics cut and pasted out of context from OS magazines, not accepting high subbing error levels). Ie. carefactor +10

 

4.

I have you been visiting the forums for just about as long as they've been around.

 

5.

I don't know how many hours a week I spend here. I tend to check in a couple of times a day.

 

6.

I spend a lot less time here than I used to, compared to when I was a someone who took on a personal mission of trying to help the forums/community as vibrant as possible, living up to their potential as one of the web's pioneering online geek communities. (That was my choice, not anyone else's.) I don't get the sense that there's the same shared commitment to the forum's/community's success that there once was.

 

7.

I'll be here as long as I have friends here.

 

8.

On a scale of 1 to 10 I can't really rate my Atomic experience over those 10 years. It used to be 11. Now it's a good deal less than that, though of course still continues to be higher than zero.

 

9.

The (two) things I would change about the mag or forums would be the carefactor of the people responsible, and the degree of support provided to them to help them succeed in their mission.

 

10.

It's hard to pick one favorite writer for the Mag ... there have been so many over the years. Dan Rutter always stood out to me for his combination of dry wit and technical expertise. But Ben, John, Bennett, Ashton, Zeb all have their own strengths. I'm sure I've accidentally neglected to mention some good writers in that list, for which I apologise in advance.

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I know this is not going to be a popular standpoint, but hey - who cares?

 

I'd rather see the magazine fold than continue on as it is.

 

Its in no way Dave's fault, and I want that out in the open now. In fact, I even picked up a mag or two to see how it has been since he's been in charge - which is a lot more than I can say for the mags that came before him (once I stopped subbing).

 

The reason I don't buy it is that I don't want to show support to the brand as it is now, which is a magazine produced as bargain basement as they come with content sourced from the uk.

 

Dave keeps reminding us that the mag is now healthy, numbers are up! Thats a good thing!

 

Except it means that those who hold the purse strings see it as a vindication for their decision to slash local writers, original content, and replace it with shit sourced from a different market, overseas.

 

I'd rather see the magazine fold than support that.

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I'm sure David will appreciate the honesty juggs. No point saying what you think people want to hear.

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1) Do you or did you at one stage subscribe to Atomic and if so, why?

Have been a subscriber for roughly 9 years now. I started subscribing after buying my first 4-or-so issues.

 

 

2) If you don't subscribe anymore or never have,why not?

 

 

3) What would it take to get you to subscribe again?

 

 

4) Roughly how long have you been visiting the forums?

10 years

 

5) How many hours a week would you spend on here?

It's varied wildly. I'm sure there were times were I was hitting upwards of 40 hours per week, now it's probably closer to 10ish... maybe a tad less.

 

6) How does that compare to 2 years ago?

As above. I have a full time job now.

 

7) Do you see yourself still here in 2 years time?

I certainly do. There are good people here, and it can provide good conversation.

 

 

8) On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being the highest) rate your Atomic experience.

Its had its ups and downs. There are certainly times were it's been 10, and there are times where it's been less. Right now it's all a very "comfortable" experience, I'd rate it a 7. But I wouldn't read too far into that.

 

9) If you could change one thing about the mag or forums, what would it be?

For me I'd add more hard core tech and less gaming in the mag. <-- Agreed. And with the forums, people ought to be friendlier so we can get that community spirit happening again.

 

10) And finally, who is/was your favorite writer for the Mag?

Really hard to say. Ben had some stand-out articles, as did Dan Rutter and Ashton Mills. Unfortunately I haven't been paying enough attention to recent issues.

 

Rob.

 

I'd rather see the magazine fold than support that.

I wouldn't. Certainly not. It would mean these forums would go, and hey, I kinda like these forums.

 

The mag has lost some of what it had "back in the day," arguably due more to today's tech landscape than anything else, to me it seems a bit dramatic to suggest that the mag today is sullying the memory of the "good old days." The production of 1990s era Mustangs didn't make the 1960s ones any less awesome.

 

Oh, also, I think Atomic has done a really good job with the homepage. I don't visit daily, but when I do there's almost always a couple of things that catch my eye.

 

Rob.

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1) Do you or did you at one stage subscribe to Atomic and if so, why?

Yes, I subscribed for quite a few years. The day I pinched the 9th edition of the mag from a work collegues desk whilst he was at lunch, the one that that carried the byline "Is your soundcard stealing your CPU cycles", I was hooked at the very idea that someone would even consider something so radical.

 

2) If you don't subscribe anymore or never have,why not?

The mag has well and truly drifted from what I want to read. I'm not a gamer. But I do waht to know how to overclock the current generation of hardware, how to maximise my bang for buck, how to optimise the current operating systems that are out there.

 

3) What would it take to get you to subscribe again?

A shift from mainstream stuff. As Dave said, more hardcore stuff. Which, in the outset, was Atomics finest quality. I do understand that most of the hardcore stuff back in the day has become mainstream now, but still there are areas that could be focused on that are not the more commonplace junk. Registry hack or optimisations. How to roll your own drivers, recoding Linux in your own fashion, things like that. Hardcore.

 

 

4) Roughly how long have you been visiting the forums?

For way longer than I care to count. Crap, I can't find my original post, but I do remember it was trying to soundproof a machine that sounded like it was about to launch into orbit the moment I turned it on.

 

5) How many hours a week would you spend on here?

In the past few months, fuck all. It just turned me off completely.

 

6) How does that compare to 2 years ago?

Too many personality cults developed. It became "either you support my ideas or i will make it my mission to destroy you personally". Not the free flowing ideas discussion that I remember the place used to be. Debate the idea, not the person making it.

 

7) Do you see yourself still here in 2 years time?

Unlikely. I haven't really checked the place out for quite a while, I dount the personality cults have moved on.

 

8) On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being the highest) rate your Atomic experience.

Over the near 10 years , I would give it a 7. Only lately has that number dropped. In the past, I have had a brilliant time (hell, driving from Melbourne to Sydney Friday, shitty arsed motel, Saturday an Atomic Support event (BaiLAN), then driving home Sunday and having to go to work Monday? Fuck, "THAT" was ATOMIC!!!! (despite the overall outcome over the next few months, and THAT is a whole other story!)

 

9) If you could change one thing about the mag or forums, what would it be?

Go back to the hardcore roots. (Sorry David, it's the way I feel!)

 

10) And finally, who is/was your favorite writer for the Mag?

Ben, John, and Dan. Those lads difinitely wrote to inspire me, even if they didn't mean it. Their passion for tech, their knowledge, it as all inspiring to me to get into this field deeper than I ever knew existed.

 

 

 

 

 

(Oh, before anyone says anthing, yeah, I jumped on, for the first time in a long time. Because in a few days, depending on the skill of the surgeon (or lack thereof, I hope and doubt not but there is always a risk), it may be one of the last times I actually get to ready anything online again.... don't ask, this ain't the thread for it, nor a sob session....)

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9) If you could change one thing about the mag or forums, what would it be?

For me I'd add more hard core tech and less gaming in the mag.

...putting the core back into the hard.

 

z

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in a few days, depending on the skill of the surgeon (or lack thereof, I hope and doubt not but there is always a risk), it may be one of the last times I actually get to ready anything online again...

I wont ask, but I will wish you all the very best for a great outcome. Cheers.

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