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This place has not changed.

Damn, man. Don't pop out of nowhere like that. I pissed myself.

 

That's what she said.

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I like how this QC put it.

 

However the very immaturity of so much student action

makes it all the more important that the police should act in

a restrained manner when dealing with student violence

and provocation. Many student demonstrations pass off

without any violence, or with only some minor scuffle. In

some demonstrations, violence erupts more or less

accidentally. And in others, a group of demonstrators,

generally small in number, deliberately set about to

produce violence. Once violence has commenced, it would

take a well trained and controlled body of police to act in a

restrained way. However that is just what the police should

be. Police brutality can in no cases be justified. Police

violence may in many cases be necessary. Police may often

have to stop students by force from pursuing some course

of action, or may have to remove them by force from some

building or public place. But it is of the greatest importance

both for the community and for themselves that violence is

only resorted to when absolutely necessary, and then only

as far as may be necessary.

It is no part of a policeman's function to punish; his

function is to maintain order. Whilst it may be said that the

natural reaction of a young policeman to student violence

and provocation is violence, and probably excessive

violence, this is the very reaction which should be

restrained and controlled. That it can be done has been

established time and again, not only in London but in

Australia. The necessary restraint and control can only be

obtained by training, and by the

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immediate supervision of senior police officers; the control

of demonstrations is a very skilled job, and should not be

handled by amateurs. Policemen are not just ordinary

citizens; they are for most citizens the image of the law. To

allow themselves to be provoked into excessive violence by

students is not only a sign of their own failure, but of a

failure of the law. The cause of the community, and their

own cause, is best served by restraint. It is to be hoped that

this attitude, which they have often put into practice in the

past, will be adopted by them in the testing times which I

am quite sure are to come.

 

http://www.nswccl.org.au/docs/pdf/Right%20...%20Assembly.pdf

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I'm a cynical man.

 

I whole heartily support the new york protests because I think the movement there will bring more attention to the issues of the last couple of years that need attention. Here? well I walked past all that the other week and it just looked like the same old usual suspects crapping on about the same old usual stuff. But I support their right to protest.

 

Truth is I don't think it will make much difference. The wealth that has shifted hands in the last couple of years is staggering, a lot of people have lost their tiny slice and a very few have gained from it. People are pissed off and they are angry but I honestly feel, in the US at least, they'll turn on each other before they turn on the people who deserve it.

 

I'd like to say that in this brave new world we'll see some brave new leadership. But if one is to look at the state Australian politics, the impending farce that will be the next US election, and the absolutely gutless handling of the Euro zones economic crisis, I just don't see the western world digging itself out this mess.

 

I don't think we're all fucked, however, to be clear, I just think this will all get much worse before it all gets better.

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You realise, of course, that the next Hitler/Attila/Ghengis/Alexandr to come along is going to walk it in. There's only creampuffs and/or the terminally disorganised left to oppose them. 'P

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Truth is I don't think it will make much difference. The wealth that has shifted hands in the last couple of years is staggering, a lot of people have lost their tiny slice and a very few have gained from it. People are pissed off and they are angry but I honestly feel, in the US at least, they'll turn on each other before they turn on the people who deserve it.

That's usually how protests go, but they usually only last one day.

 

If you ask me, the point of this ongoing occupation is to spread awareness of the issues amongst the populace rather than to effect any immediate redress; the issues are plainly too large and intractable for anything short of some kind of revolution to address. OWS is trying to establish some genuine grassroots democracy to counter unrelenting astroturf of increasing scope and sophistication (for example, yes, in some ways, the Tea Party is actually clever and subtle).

 

The danger of course, is that too many feral lefties will dilute the message with their pet cause and alienate almost everyone who should be on board. We need to keep hammering the main point.

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Truth is I don't think it will make much difference. The wealth that has shifted hands in the last couple of years is staggering, a lot of people have lost their tiny slice and a very few have gained from it. People are pissed off and they are angry but I honestly feel, in the US at least, they'll turn on each other before they turn on the people who deserve it.

That's usually how protests go, but they usually only last one day.

 

If you ask me, the point of this ongoing occupation is to spread awareness of the issues amongst the populace rather than to effect any immediate redress; the issues are plainly too large and intractable for anything short of some kind of revolution to address. OWS is trying to establish some genuine grassroots democracy to counter unrelenting astroturf of increasing scope and sophistication (for example, yes, in some ways, the Tea Party is actually clever and subtle).

 

The danger of course, is that too many feral lefties will dilute the message with their pet cause and alienate almost everyone who should be on board. We need to keep hammering the main point.

 

And that, there, right at the end--too many feral lefties diluting the message--is the kicker.

 

The moment that element gets involved with any sort of protest, the message is deluted. The Socialist Alliance/Alternative-type groups jump onboard every single cause. They're there at protests such as this and the G20. They're always on university campuses running or sponsoring talks about why Israel is evil, why North Korea isn't a true example of socialism and so on. They're there are gatherings such as the Slut Walk. I'm sure a lot of people--particularly those who've been to university and have seen a lot of their promotional material--hear the words 'Socialist Alternative' and instantly tune out. I know I do. I can't take these people seriously.

 

And then you have the people who attend a protest simply because there's the possibility it'll turn ugly and they'll be able to get in a scuffle with the cops. And, too, the nut cases who latch onto protests figuring they offer better company than an upturned soap box on the corner of Flinders and Swanston Streets: the 11 September 'truthers' and so on. The idiots who get about in Guy Fawkes masks, waving around placards that reference internet memes and 1337 speak. And then you have the people who, honestly, just match the stereotype. Unkempt clothes and hair. These people not only dilute the message with all of their different complaints, concerns and pet issues, they turn people off. A lot of people don't want to listen to that element.

 

If I was to organise a protest about an issue--any issue--I'd discourage the Socialist * mob from participating and carefully monitor the placards, signs and so on people were using. And I'd encourage people to look respectable. Especially anyone dealing directly with passersby or the media. You know what happens if, in a crowd of people, there are a whole lot with dreadlocks, dirty t-shirts and the 'pot smoking vegan Marx-reading arts student' look about them? The news cameras will latch onto them. Passersby will notice them. Really, the movement's PR is very poor. It's unclear exactly what the message is. Oh yes, it's something to do with greed ... but what is it really about? Is the goal to dismantle capitalism and install the socialist alternative? Is the intent to simply reign in the excesses of capitalism--to regulate the banks and big businesses a bit more? Does it have anything to do with Israel, vegans, vaginas, refugees, the Queen, fucking whales, Julian Assange and the death of PC gaming? That's unclear. I get that part of the point was to give voice to the unheard ... but honestly, I think that has to wait. The basic message--as I understand it (the reigning in of some of the excesses of capitalism) is something I'm not offended by. The core message, to my mind, isn't so much extreme left as it is centre-left. Altho' you wouldn't think that judging by the presence of people like the socialists. Hell, I agree with some of it. A lot of people in the general public would, I think, if it was explained to them in clear and concise terms by someone who looked respectable. Like it or not, we prefer to listen to people who look and act respectable. Maybe that's unfair--maybe, in the ideal world, we'd listen to a man's ideas and judge them on their own fucking merits, rather than whether he's wearing a filthy hemp jumper or an Armani suit--but that is the reality of the situation. It's a reality the organisers of protests need to work within if they want normal people to listen to them. All the rest of the shit needs to be pushed aside. I get the impression that the Occupy movement has action groups for damn near everything. You know what the most important one should be? The PR and marketing department. The cause should be able to summarised into a sound bite or tweet or sentence, as let's face it, nobody reads past the jump any more. If people want to find out more than yes, you can tell them about what you want to do with education and Aboriginals and lesbian refugees and the meat industry, but the main idea should be something simple and accessible. Presented in a way where the media and politicians and passersby have to refute your idea, rather than your looks or the element you're keeping company or the fair chance you'll start throwing shit through car windows and throwing down against Victoria Police.

 

The protest isn't, in its current form, building awareness. Not of the core issue, at least. Of the futility of protests and the 'feralness' of the Leftie crowd.

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Let's humbly review all the things we've learned so far from these global gatherings and how we may address the issues raised:

 

1 Despite living in the greatest city on Earth during a period of unprecedented wealth, abundance and freedom, there are a small number amongst us in Sydney who feel that absolutely everything is wrong and who wish to dismantle every structure underpinning Australian achievement.

 

Contrast these people with those who demonstrate against the carbon tax and wish for only one thing: an election. The latter group seeks a democratic means of maintaining and building upon our wealth.

 

The former group is insane.

 

Suggested action: water cannons.

 

2 The appearance in our midst of a few dozen whingers with piercings and dreadlocks in lieu of any coherent political philosophy or even a clearly-explained list of grievances prompts expressions of solidarity and concern from certain media outlets. Apparently, according to these outlets, we have something to learn from rich kids who think dressing like herdsmen is an economic argument.

 

Suggested action: plastic wrist restraints.

 

3 Despite many of the protesters coming from universities and other advanced centres of learning, their spelling and grammar is abysmal. One young woman appeared at Occupy Melbourne with a sign that spelled "silent" incorrectly. She believed it was spelled "scilent". The kids at Occupation Tallahassee in the US set the benchmark here, contributing "marrige", "evoulution", "survivle", "fitess" and "glutonoues".

 

Attention paid to the poor spelling of Occupy activists frustrated one Occupant at Occupy Los Angeles, who fired in this online response: "Spelling concern's REALLY?! I have seen So many post's regarding spelling & grammar that seem to be an attempt to cloud the original message. I have even seen a few who criticize other's for their spelling, while having misspelled words in their own post's, WTF!"

 

WTF, by the way, is an abbreviation of "Wasted Tertiary Funding".

 

Suggested action: Tasers.

 

4 The basic economic belief of the protesters is that wealth is finite, and that someone having money means that another person is necessarily denied money. This is not the case. Wealth isn't distributed from a common pool; instead, it grows, depending on where the opportunities for that growth exist and where people are prepared to work for it.

 

To test this theory, the geniuses at Occupy Sydney ought to try an experiment. First, gather up all your bank balances and work out the total. Then, a day or so later, return to the nearest ATMs and get an updated amount. Unless Centrelink is paying out, the amount will be identical.

 

In the meantime, businesses and individuals across the nation will have increased their own wealth by many millions. Not one cent of it came from an Occupant's pocket.

 

Suggested action: pressure point grips.

 

5 General knowledge is a problem for Occupants. Asked if the US government spends more on healthcare and pensions or the military, 94 per cent of Occupy Wall Street respondents said military. Wrong. Military spending in 2010 was less than half that spent on health and pensions.

 

Suggested action: waterboarding.

 

6 The gap between rich and poor, economic inequality, income disparity - call it what you like, but these terms all refer to an elemental jealousy. Someone has more stuff than you and it's just so unfair.

 

Sydney's Occupants claim to represent 99 per cent of the human population. Maybe they should consider the fact they are richer, healthier and more liberated than 99 per cent of people who have existed in the entirety of human history. Would an Occupant trade places with Louis XV, ruler of France from 1715 to 1774? Not unless he wanted to give up air travel, penicillin, the internet and pain-free surgery. In real terms, who's richer?

 

Suggested action: wicker man.

 

7 The extent of meetings, the establishment of committees and working groups and the management of activities at any event occurs in inverse proportion to that event's value. At Occupy Sydney, the initial meeting to establish basic pointless aims ran for three hours. Around 24 committees and working groups were set up, or one group for every two people who were arrested on Sunday at Occupy Sydney's Martin Place camp.

 

On Saturday, Occupants debated for one whole hour whether they should go for a walking tour of Sydney's various corporate headquarters. They never reached an actual decision, leading to this bizarre comment from an Occupy organiser: "If you feel frustration with having to discuss and debate things, recognise that frustration is an indication we are doing this right."

 

Suggested action: deployment of helicopter gunships.

 

8 Left to themselves, Occupy groups will inevitably dissolve into warring Labor-like factions. New York magazine reported on the weekend that Occupy Wall Street, the hub of the worldwide movement, was in conflict over proposed limits on drumming. "They're imposing a structure on the natural flow of music," said Occupant and drummer Seth Harper. "I wanted to introduce a different proposal but a big black organiser chick with an Afro said I couldn't."

 

That sounds like racism.

 

There was trouble, too, when Occupy Wall Street leaders tried to gather up tents and tarpaulins so that their park site could be cleaned. As the magazine told it: "A bearded man began to gather up a tarp and an occupier emerged from beneath, screaming: 'You're going to break my f . . king tent, get that shit off!' Near the front of the park, two men in hoodies staged a meta-sit-in, fearful that their belongings would be lost or appropriated."

 

Suggested action: chemical defoliants.

 

9 Victorian police are better than NSW police. This is deeply disappointing. Victorian police moved on Occupy Melbourne's collective on Friday, a full two days before NSW police cleared out Occupy Sydney. They did it in daylight, allowing better picture opportunities. Sydney's police pounced at 5am, limiting the chance to properly document Occupant justice.

 

Suggested action: royal commission.

 

Sauce.

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If the movement is, at it's core, about the unheard majority wanting a voice in democracy instead of being ridden roughshod over and being bent over, then I think it gets very fine to crossing a line, if not already going over it, to say that, you know, those people, the crazy kooky ones, shouldn't also get a voice.

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What disturbs me more than the fact that some idiot journo can write shit like that is that people find it funny. I remember now why I generally stay out of the green room discussions.

Edited by chilli

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yeah, count me out.

 

its not his politics that shame Tim Blair. its his offensive lack of anything approaching insight even when making the odd point that might be cogent if it werent so irrelevant. its the dumb-as-fuck absence of pertinence in most of his casual misrepresentations of these protestors, which come off stinking like the routine regurgitations of someone drunk on glib indifference.

 

even the most right-wing and unsympathetic observer with a brain should baulk at this guy's failure to demonstrate a basic grasp of the breadth of this issue. you dont get to dance unless you pay the piper. when a dog acts like it appears to think its a person, people say "oh look, isnt that cute". when a not-so-bright social commentator thinks he's doing 'biting' satire, its not cute. to everyone else its just an unfortunate and awkward faux pas.

 

much like Plebs' earnest and oh so pithy statements to the effect that he has 'no idea' what these people are protesting about. yep, he's just got no idea. not even with the aid of the internet can he locate a clue in the form of a representative moderate with sensibly expressed qualms. psst! youre supposed to high five him because the only reason he doesnt know, is — just like you — he doesnt want to know and will probably never want to know as long as he remains personally untouched by misfortune at the hands of systemic corruption. can you feel it? is it not like, a rapier?

Edited by @~thehung

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Oh I can see what they are whining about. I work for a greedy corporation and have done all my life. You know why? Because would like to provide for me and my family and they pay me well.

Do you hear me whining because I have to work hard for my money? No. But these useless pricks are whining because they don't have to!

These people need to get a brain cell and realise that life isn't fair. You eat or you get eaten. It will never change and sooking about it certainly doesn't and will not help

 

I might just pack it all in, do an arts degree and go on a crying spree....just to see who feels sorry for me.

"Sorry boss, can't make it in today, I'm going on a week long picnic in Martin Place."

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Oh I can see what they are whining about. I work for a greedy corporation and have done all my life. You know why? Because would like to provide for me and my family and they pay me well.

Do you hear me whining because I have to work hard for my money? No. But these useless pricks are whining because they don't have to!

Maybe part of the reason they are whining is because they don't want to get a job and work hard only to have 75-80% of their earning STOLEN by the 'government' and a fair percentage of that given to the globalist fuckers who create all the other problems on the complaints list?

 

Got bailouts?

 

Got 1 BILLION a MONTH being handed over on interest (not principle) on government debt when they should be producing our own currency and interest free debt?

 

etc

 

whatever

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These people need to get a brain cell and realise that life isn't fair. You eat or you get eaten.

Have you thought that maybe they're trying to eat back? This is an image that's been floating around the protests a bit:

 

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I laughed :D

 

I saw that. I was thinking of posting it.

 

I checked the maths too... but only because I saw it on 4chan and it's dangerous to believe anything that comes from there.

 

Fuck Jupiter. I'm the 87.5%

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Some scarily oppressive police state shit from my lovely hometown of Perth in preparation for CHOGM/Occupy Perth this week:

 

My hometown has turned into total gently caress-you fascism planet.

 

The CHOGM conference is about to start up, and the government has turned NASTY. Remember, *OUR* occupation is supposed to start on friday (due to strategic reasons of not getting the entire activist movement barred by court orders from entering town).

 

Well the cops pre-empted that poo poo anyway.

 

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Pretty much the entire activist scene are getting these exclusion notices saying they are blackbanned from entering the CBD now, and if they are caught in town face a year jail or something like that. People like union leaders and refugee rights activists and greenies and stuff.

 

The conference starts on friday. The entire down town is loving crawling with police and there are signs all over the place that look like this:

 

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This is not private property where cops can just pull people over and randomly strip search them. Look at that map, its most of the down town area of Perth.

 

They have been given the power to disappear people for upwards of 48 hours without access to a lawyer, and they can drag people in front of a commission to be forced to answer questions without a presumption of a right to silence.

 

There have been jet fighters flying around the place, and today a loving wedgetail command and control plane was buzzing over around my house and holy loving hell those things are loud (Its basically a 737 with a giant electronic warfare platform welded onto it , and airfore commamnd and control. WIERD PLANE)

 

I feel like I'm in some sort of siege zone

I concur!

 

Source: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthrea...p;pagenumber=71

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If you're getting letter from the cops, it's not a random letter. It is because you are a known pest.

 

 

These people need to get a brain cell and realise that life isn't fair. You eat or you get eaten.

Have you thought that maybe they're trying to eat back? This is an image that's been floating around the protests a bit:

 

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Ankle biters.

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Maybe the originators of the Occupy movement are not being realistic as some think is the case . I'm glad they're having a go at speaking out, and I hope they manage to continue to do so.

 

People's business' across the board have been going under since business first began, it's nothing new. In the last decade though, I would posit that the very steady number of business' closing

has increased much like a tidal wave increases it's size. Sure it could be a cyclic thing, and the tide will turn and things will get better. When before though has a movement such as the " Occupy"

movement felt the need to go global ?

 

Obviously the stench of global big business corruption smells bad enough to motivate people .... finally.

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