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This idea came to me after reading hulks thread.

 

I'm not going to jump onto the band wagon with "this place is dead, it's over moderated, etc" but I have an idea which could potentially breathe in life into the forums of atomic, and that is by creating....

 

A second green room.

 

CRAZY you say but, stay with me here and I’ll try and give more coherent details

 

Potential rules

 

* Primary rule being that: what happens in the second green room stays in the second green room, i.e. if there's a fight, it stays there, but if those feelings and aggression are taken into another thread - then all accounts could be suspended.

 

* Anything goes - within reason of course. I.e. death threats, pornography, stuff that's really taboo is definitely not allowed. - make thing a bit more lax in what could be said

 

* A blank slate: banned members are allowed access into the second green room only. (But open to all members)

It could become a proving ground for banned member to "prove" themselves worthy of being part of the wider community - perhaps on a voting based system done by the community (a thread with a poll)

 

 

As an additional benefit this could apply relaxing or modifying the original rules, which in turn could allow for re merging the two green rooms back into one with modified rules (i.e. stronger moderation, more lax moderation, etc)

 

 

My thoughts are; this could potentially re invigorate the place and maybe give it back its original form

 

Sure, the idea needs to be hammered out a bit more and it might be a long shot but I don't think anything could be lost from trying it out, or at the very least trialling it.

 

Does the idea have merit, could it work?

 

 

(I was trying to get my idea down pretty fast, so my wording might seem a little jumbled and all over the shop)

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* A blank slate: banned members are allowed access into the second green room only. (But open to all members)

It could become a proving ground for banned member to "prove" themselves worthy of being part of the wider community - perhaps on a voting based system done by the community (a thread with a poll)

A good idea but with some banned members that would be like giving a pyro some petrol letting them burn everything they want... but seeing if they do it with grace and decorum.

 

Interesting idea in any case.

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I'm not sure, personally, but let's see what the community thinks...

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Potentially has merit.

 

There would still need to be certain rules, simply because unlike a lot of other forums, this one is owned by a company.

 

For that reason, I doubt it would be as "off the leash" as you suggest.

 

However, is that just going to fragment the two-way "tech"/"GR" forums into a three-way community?

 

The main problem I see, is that people are very happy to dish it out, but they can be very loath to be on the receiving end.

We have had users historically, happy to sling shit around, and then resort to what amount to legal threats to try and get stuff taken down.

 

Personally, I'd be happy to try it (modified from what you suggested, but largely the same idea) on the proviso that it needs to not impact on the staff running the magazine.

 

The Atomic forums already take more time, and generate more heartache for staff than most people will ever appreciate.

 

Unfortunately, I'd not my decision.

Personally, I'd only really be interested in taking part (whether I was a mod or not) if there were rules (albeit more permissive) and perhaps (and this might sound counter-intuitive) harsher penalties for breaking them. A kind of "you can push the envelope much further, but you are going to get slapped down if you push them too far" mentality.

I think by rights, if you have a more freewheeling forum, especially one on a site that represents a brand and a company, you need to have much more free-wheeling moderation.

 

On allowing banned users in, I think that is a bad idea.

Edited by TinBane

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I don't see any reason to bother really. The green room we have is almost empty. And your concept of a second one doesn't sound like any fun. The less moderated areas of something awful are baffling to the newcomer, we adopt that approach with such a small community alienating more users and for what? The forums were never like that even early on.

 

You have an idea but you aren't selling it well. What are the benefits?

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I don't see any reason to bother really. The green room we have is almost empty. And your concept of a second one doesn't sound like any fun. The less moderated areas of something awful are baffling to the newcomer, we adopt that approach with such a small community alienating more users and for what? The forums were never like that even early on.

 

You have an idea but you aren't selling it well. What are the benefits?

You may have read it wrong. No one gets alienated, in fact it's it's opposite it's allowed the banned users back into (only to that forum) where every other member can be aswell.

By potentially, relaxing the rules in that section only and allowed the banned back in, it could promote more indepth discussions and encourage growth of the forums entirely.

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So, some dude gets banned for, say, overt racism, and gets let back into another, more freeform forum?

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This sounds like my suggestion for a Blue Room, only viewable to logged on members, and a slacker moderation regime, the mods would have to ability to time-out users without suspending or banning them from the whole forum (unless they take to vandalising the other forums...)

 

Maybe it would be best for the Blue Room threads to be purged on a regular basis too.

Edited by smadge1

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I don't see a whole lot of mod intervention going on in the greenroom?

 

I see someone post "no u fuckwit carbon tax is awesome" for example, then a mod tells them off, the thread continues.

 

Past that, I don't really see much, hardly anything that makes me go "wow, we need a no rules room"

 

It's normal to disagree with people, mods included, it's part of forum life, but most of the horn clashing is here in feedback, not TGR.

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I question the necessity, but I would frame it within the broader question of what Atomic offers (as a tech forum) that is not answered by the other large tech forums - OCAU, Whingepool, etc. What does GR2 bring to differentiate Atomic that GR1 doesn't provide? Is there any need for GR2, ie what would happen if we removed most of the rules from GR1?

 

If it is just for an ultra-casual brawling crowd pleaser, perhaps that can just be signified with a tag in thread titles, essentially telling the reader/poster to beware.

 

If it's just for brawling, the broader question I'd be asking is whether fights (especially in TGR, but elsewhere too) should be stopped prematurely, or allowed to come to a natural resolution.

Edited by Nich...

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I don't see any reason to bother really. The green room we have is almost empty. And your concept of a second one doesn't sound like any fun. The less moderated areas of something awful are baffling to the newcomer, we adopt that approach with such a small community alienating more users and for what? The forums were never like that even early on.

 

You have an idea but you aren't selling it well. What are the benefits?

You may have read it wrong. No one gets alienated, in fact it's it's opposite it's allowed the banned users back into (only to that forum) where every other member can be aswell.

By potentially, relaxing the rules in that section only and allowed the banned back in, it could promote more indepth discussions and encourage growth of the forums entirely.

 

No I get you. But what I was trying to say is that those "Low moderation" forums are bloody weird places and not to most people's taste. I am suggesting that such a forum does not attract more users in the way you suggest or at least not to a tiny place like this.

 

Also I would hate the idea that a user banned for threats or racism or anything of consequence gets a freer rein after their banning than before!

Edited by Hlass

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Perhaps just a special forum for political debate instead? :P

Not keen on banned users though, if your out, then you're out.

Edited by p0is0n

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Perhaps just a special forum for political debate instead? :P

lol :)

 

There was a LOT more political debate in the past and we didn't need another room!

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If this forum was OCAU sized of close to it, a split forum would work, such as a politics/serious discussion/debate section separate from general banter.

 

 

Buuuut, Atomic is tiny in comparison, simply too small to be adding sections.

 

Infact, I recall some threads requesting mergers of some, the hardware sections need a couple being merged, closer to what the old layout was.

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YEah, I've always really liked the idea of having a FYAD and GBS style forums. But I agree we are just too small to make it work.

 

Maybe if more people came back and started posting again, or people stopped killing n00bs we might have a better chance. But not right now.

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i commend the idea. but think it would only amount to a Pandora's Box of butthurt.

 

also:

 

5 minutes after opening GR 2.0, Goodie Two Shoes Green Room would become a tumble-weed ridden ghost town.

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i commend the idea. but think it would only amount to a Pandora's Box of butthurt.

 

also:

 

5 minutes after opening GR 2.0, Goodie Two Shoes Green Room would become a tumble-weed ridden ghost town.

 

If that is the case, surely that shows the desires of the forum members?

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I like smadge's idea of the Blue Room, but I'd honestly go for a what's on your mind thread. I know it's been done, but it was a bunch of fun and was un-structured and casual. Loved dipping in and reading the past few pages and just hanging out when I had time to.

 

Would leave the green room for general discussion of topics in a more serious way, and would allow us to shoot the shit and not get up anyone's nose who didn't like that kind of thread.

 

IMO, anyway.

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I like smadge's idea of the Blue Room, but I'd honestly go for a what's on your mind thread. I know it's been done, but it was a bunch of fun and was un-structured and casual. Loved dipping in and reading the past few pages and just hanging out when I had time to.

 

Would leave the green room for general discussion of topics in a more serious way, and would allow us to shoot the shit and not get up anyone's nose who didn't like that kind of thread.

 

IMO, anyway.

I support.

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* A blank slate: banned members are allowed access into the second green room only. (But open to all members)

It could become a proving ground for banned member to "prove" themselves worthy of being part of the wider community - perhaps on a voting based system done by the community (a thread with a poll)

Or better still, make it a "good behaviour bond" for recently un-suspended/un-banned members or for those on a warning.

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I like smadge's idea of the Blue Room, but I'd honestly go for a what's on your mind thread. I know it's been done, but it was a bunch of fun and was un-structured and casual. Loved dipping in and reading the past few pages and just hanging out when I had time to.

 

Would leave the green room for general discussion of topics in a more serious way, and would allow us to shoot the shit and not get up anyone's nose who didn't like that kind of thread.

 

IMO, anyway.

Yes. Please. Thankyou very Much !!

 

I've always defended the WOYM thread . No pressure, fun, interesting, fun ... except for the lettuce stuff which became very boring. And peeps making a post of "+1 ", and stating that it was merely to add to their post count,

because those peeps were so sure that everyone else participating in the thread was doing so for the sole purpose of upping their own post count.

 

So yeah I think bringing something like this back would be just fine :)

 

edit: for further clarity.

Edited by eveln

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At the time killing WOYM seemed like it might help the forums. At this point though, it can't hurt them to bring it back.

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I like smadge's idea of the Blue Room, but I'd honestly go for a what's on your mind thread. I know it's been done, but it was a bunch of fun and was un-structured and casual. Loved dipping in and reading the past few pages and just hanging out when I had time to.

 

Would leave the green room for general discussion of topics in a more serious way, and would allow us to shoot the shit and not get up anyone's nose who didn't like that kind of thread.

 

IMO, anyway.

you store all your files in C:\ ?

 

;)

 

You'd have one healthy thread I guess, and not too many others for the mods to worry about :)

 

EDIT : Actually, you could replace the Green Room with the following threads :

 

* WOYM

* What are you listening to?

* What are you cooking?

*What have you purchased?

*Religion - for or against?

*Politics

 

Done!

Edited by Mac Dude

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