Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
bippy2412

First Time Builder Troubles

Recommended Posts

Hi all,

So i'm building my first ever pc and i'm not enterly sure if if have made the right choice in parts, My primary use will be gaming, Any other uses are just general things like word and what not, The build i came up with went over my budget of $3000.00 so i would definatley like price reduction with minimal performance sacrifice. Games i play would be BF3, MW3, GTA IV, Skyrim, Crysis and Various MMOrpgs. bit of everything really. i havn't added cooling or HDD's into the build so any advice on them would be great, Oh and i do want to do Crossfire :). So Here it is.

 

Case: NZXT Phantom Full tower case white - $185.00

Mobo: Asus RAMPAGE IV EXTREME/BF3 X79 8x DDR3 GLAN RAID USB3 SATA3 4-way SLI/CrossFireX E-ATX - $515.00

CPU: Intel Core i7 3930K LGA2011 3.2GHz 12MB cache 6 Cores - $635.00

GPU: 2x Sapphire ATI HD7970 3GB GDDR5 2MDP/HDMI - $1250 ($625 EA)

RAM: Corsair Vengeance CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9 16G (4x4GB) DDR3 - $119.00

PSU: Corsair AX-1200 1200W ATX 80+ Gold 100% Modular Cabling - $357.00

OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Pro 64bit OEM - $126.00

Monitor: Asus VS248H 24" 2ms wide LED w/DSUB DVI-D HDMI - $195.00

 

Total Price $3,382.00

 

So slightly over budget and i havn't added cooling or HDDs, brand changes are fine except for cpu and gpu as these are my preferred brands

hopefully i have added enough info if i've missed anything please let me know, Thanx in advance bippy2412

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

  • My primary use will be gaming, Any other uses are just general things like word and what not,
  • my budget of $3000.00
  • Games i play would be BF3, MW3, GTA IV, Skyrim, Crysis and Various MMOrpgs.
  • i havn't added cooling
  • or HDD's into the build
  • Oh and i do want to do Crossfire
Just laying that out there, so we all know what we are talking about.

 

Now, and this may be a bit outlandish, but hang in here with me. If you are set on speeding 3 big ones on this rig, my advice is spend at least a grand on a monitor, or some amount of monitors. Get a 30" or 2x27" or whatever, some combination of monitors. Something IPS or 120hz for the 3d.

 

 

And I say this because.

Mobo: Asus RAMPAGE IV EXTREME/BF3 X79 8x DDR3 GLAN RAID USB3 SATA3 4-way SLI/CrossFireX E-ATX - $515.00

CPU: Intel Core i7 3930K LGA2011 3.2GHz 12MB cache 6 Cores - $635.00

GPU: 2x Sapphire ATI HD7970 3GB GDDR5 2MDP/HDMI - $1250 ($625 EA)

^---These things here are way over powered in combination with

Monitor: Asus VS248H 24" 2ms wide LED w/DSUB DVI-D HDMI - $195.00

^---This.

 

Just have a look through the reviews here and here.

At 1080p just a single hd7970 is more than enough, let alone a two of them, or a GTX680 (or two of those)

 

PSU: Corsair AX-1200 1200W ATX 80+ Gold 100% Modular Cabling - $357.00

I know the trend in power supplies is 1kw+, but they really are overkill. A nice platinum 850W would be sufficient.

 

 

...wow its late.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Everything MisterK said is right. What you have up there is massive overkill, I'm not sure why you are set on a xfire setup when it isn't needed.

 

Keeping with the Intel Asus ROG based system, I did move to ASUS GPU's as then the GPU's tie in with the ASUS motherboard software

 

Intel CORE i7 2600K - $308

Asus MAXIMUS-IV-EXTREME-Z Z68 - $399

G.Skill DDR3-2133 8GB Dual Channel [RipjawsX] F3-17000CL9D-8GBXM - $87

ASUS ATI EAH7970 PCI-E 3.0, 3GB 384-bit GDDR5, 925/5500MHz - $637

CoolerMaster RR-212E-20PK-R1 Hyper 212 EVO - $39

Crucial 256GB M4 CT256M4SSD2 SATA 6GB/s Solid State Drive - $364

Hitachi 3TB Deskstar 7K3000 7200rpm - $260

Corsair 850W AX-850 ATX Power Supply - $245

Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64bit OEM - $125

Samsung 27.0" S27A350H Widescreen LED Monitor - $343

NZXT PHANTOM WHITE FULL TOWER - $179

Liteon Dual Layer Burner Black SATA - $27

 

Total $3013

 

That is not including mouse and keyboard which are personal preference things.

 

PS. 7970's are being sold regularly on OCAU as people are dumping them for 680's so you can certainly save some dollars there they are fetching $450-500 each atm

 

PSS. all prices are from ARC computers.

Edited by Pigs can fly

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't think there's much point to getting anything more than an i5 2500k. I would just get one 7970 and see how it goes. You can add another one later. I don't know much about PSU power draw but I think that is overkill. I would prefer Enermax. I would just get 8 GB RAM unless you need the extra. With the motherboard, just get what you need. You might want to get a quality sound card. Seagate 2 TB drives seem to be pretty good value for money but if you need more capacity then get a bigger one. Try to see how much storage capacity you need for Windows and programs to figure out what size SSD you need. If you are going over budget or you want simpler storage management you could just get a 60 GB SSD and use it as a cache with Intel SRT. I would get an Intel 520 SSD as they seem to be good and have a five year warranty.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If I was to spend 3G on a brand new computer, which I probably wouldn't. I think this is what it would look like

Posted Image

 

Which leaves another $250 in the budget for peripherals, KB+Mouse, gamepad and speakers that sort of thing.

 

No crossfire in there as yet. But further down the track you could add a second 7970

(I suspect they will drop in price quite quickly in the next month, as the number of GTX680 available goes up)

 

I went with a single 27" 2560x1440 Monitor. You could just as easily go with 3x24" 1080p for not much more money, but then you will really want that second GPU sooner rather than later.

 

Single small SSD for using as a cache. 2x2TB seagate drives for mass storage.

 

Food for thought anyway. Good luck.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

hey! that's virtually my system....

personally, I think anything over a 2500K is a complete waste of money.

all of the 2500K's will comfortably turbo to 4.6G (many will run stable and relatively cool at 5G and more - 57x multiplier even!)

you want a hellfast system?

just get a decent Z68/Z77 board (the Asrock Z68 Extreme4 Gen3 is highly recommended)

overclock the crap out of a 2500K

and bolt that to a nice fast SSD

the money that you save can be spent on cooling and peripherals

Edited by osama_bin_athlon

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I approve the above. You could spend 3K in a far better way than you currently are.

 

As for Crossfire, well its up to you, but I'm finding my GTX480s (SLI'd) to be nearly fast enough for just about everything at 1080p, so you'd only want dual 680s or dual 7970s if you have a 2560x1440 screen or something.

Edited by NukeJockey

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

thanx for the feed back guys i was definatley a long way off haha. is there much of a benefit going with water cooling or would fans be more than efficient? i'm not going to crossfire at this time if it's uneeded no point wasting money and i can always do it later if needed. definatley will stick to one screen, only because the screen boarders annoy the hell outa me on multiscreen setups. i'll review the advice i've been given and the builds that Pigs Can Fly and MisterK put together and see if i can come up with something more appropriate and see what you guys think :) i'll post it later tonight.

 

-Bippy2412

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

so here's my revised Build,

 

CPU: Intel Quad Core i5 2500K/3.30GHz/6MB CACHE/LGA1155 CPU - $207.91

Mobo: MB1155ARZ68EXTREME4GEN3 - $165.00

RAM: G.Skill DDR3-2133 8GB Dual Channel [RipjawsX] F3-17000CL9D-8GBXM - $87

PSU: Corsair 850W AX-850 ATX Power Supply, 80 PLUS Gold Certified, 100% Modular Cabling - $245.00

GPU: ASUS ATI EAH7970 PCI-E 3.0, 3GB 384-bit GDDR5, 925/5500MHz, D-DVL, HDMI, Mini DP, Fan - $636.75

SSD:Intel SSDSC2CW120A3K5 SSD 120GB 520 Series, 2.5" SATA III 6Gb/s, 25nm, MLC, read/write speed 550/500MB/s 80K IOPS - $194.88

HDD: Hitachi 3TB Deskstar 7K3000 7200rpm HDD 3.5" SATA III 6Gb/s, 32MB Cache - $260.59

Cooling: CoolerMaster RR-212E-20PK-R1 Hyper 212 EVO Universal CPU Cooler 12/1 - $39.00 <--- is it worth going water or is this enough?

Case: NZXT PHANTOM WHITE FULL TOWER USB3.0 W/O PSU - $179.00

Monitor: Samsung 27" Monitor S27A850TSK Professional Screen - 5ms (GTG) Response Time 13/3 - $748.91

OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64bit OEM - $125.00

 

Total: $2889.04

 

so under budget and pretty much a build from the 2 builds i was shown, A bit of approval that this will do want i want and i will make my purchase in the next 2 -3 weeks

havn't got a price on keyboard and mouse yet i like the R.A.T 9 mouse and not sure about keyboard i was thinking logitech G19 but not sure if it's just overpriced gimmick crap lol so definatley welcomeing keyboard and mouse

suggestions.

 

so let me know what yas think and hopefully i've got my build done :)

 

Regards -Bippy2412

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

wow!

that Samsung 27" monitor is friggin' expensive!

I paid $279 for my AOC 27" with 2ms response.......they make most of the panels for the rest of the manufacturers.....

that builds pretty well spot on otherwise

as far as cooling goes, either Noctua, or Corsair - I'm over the big tower coolers, and opted for the Corsair H100, which I'm absolutely rapt in, the best cooler that I've ever bought over the counter

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

whether or not the hyper 212 is enough depends on how quiet you want your system to be and how high you wish to oc

Thermalright HR-02 Macho $59 will be a bit cooler but much quieter than your currently selected gpu

however it is massive and not as easy to install as a custom water kit and probably doesnt look as nice which is why a lot of people go with the water kits

the water kits dont have to worry about case temps so if your case airflow isnt great they gain an advantage over large hsf in temps

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Meece and Keyboards are highly subjective, everyone like different things but most are in agreement that the G19 is an overpriced gimmick, this is from someone who still uses an original G15. Mine is a fairly nice board but tbh I don't really use the macro buttons (not an mmo player, I know myself well enough to stay away from that particular brand of crack) and I hardly ever use the screen, there are just not a lot of supported applications with it and mostly I'm looking at my monitor. I do like the backlighting and the fact that I can dim and turn it off and the windows key lock is the best thing ever, but my next keyboard will probably be a Corsair K60 or something similar because I (and most people) don't really need any of the extra fripperies.

 

Like I said though keyboards and especially meece are subjective. Go to a physical store and try a few to see what you like.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

wow! That Samsung 27" monitor is friggin' expensive!

I paid $279 for my AOC 27" with 2ms response.......they make most of the panels for the rest of the manufacturers.....

It is a PLS monitor (Samsung's souped up version of IPS)

And it has a resolution of 2560 x 1440.

 

So there is some reason for it being that price.

 

AOC ... they make most of the panels for the rest of the manufacturers ...

That statement is so broad as to not mean anything.

As far as I am aware there is three or four major players in the LCD panel space. Samsung/Sony, Sharp, LG come to mind.

I'm pretty sure AOC doesn't specialise in high quality panels, and you get what you pay for.

Regardless, AOC is definitely not making the panel in that Samsung 27"

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

wow!

that Samsung 27" monitor is friggin' expensive!

I paid $279 for my AOC 27" with 2ms response.......they make most of the panels for the rest of the manufacturers.....

Your AOC 27" is 1080p correct?

The Samsung is 2560x1440...

 

 

Personally I would buy one of those "catleap" 27" LCD's on ebay, they have the same panel as Apple uses (made by LG) at a fraction of the price.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

RAM: G.Skill DDR3-2133 8GB Dual Channel [RipjawsX] F3-17000CL9D-8GBXM - $87

PSU: Corsair 850W AX-850 ATX Power Supply, 80 PLUS Gold Certified, 100% Modular Cabling - $245.00

You could probably save a few dollars here.

As far as I'm aware, ram speeds of over 1600mhz really don't do much for a sandybridge system. Its really only a matter of +/- $30, so not a big deal. But you could put that money into a better cooler.

 

Same thing with the PSU. I'm really not a expert on them, but I think you can get a high quality 850W supply for less than $200.

 

SSD:Intel SSDSC2CW120A3K5 SSD 120GB 520 Series, 2.5" SATA III 6Gb/s, 25nm, MLC, read/write speed 550/500MB/s 80K IOPS - $194.88

HDD: Hitachi 3TB Deskstar 7K3000 7200rpm HDD 3.5" SATA III 6Gb/s, 32MB Cache - $260.59

More room for some cost saving here. But it depends how you want to go about it.

The motherboard you have choses supports Intel's SRT which means you can assign your SSD as a cache, and it will transparently chose which files need to be on the SSD without you having to micromanage your installs.

This means you can get the $105 60G Intel 520

For benchmarking, not using SRT will be faster. In actual use, you will never notice. Except in one or two edge cases that depend on your usage style.

 

Also, the sweet spot for $ per GB is 2TB drives, which is why I put two of them in. 4TB of storage for the same price as 3TB.

With the added bonus of you not losing every bit of data when your drive inevitably fails.

 

Cooling: CoolerMaster RR-212E-20PK-R1 Hyper 212 EVO Universal CPU Cooler 12/1 - $39.00 <--- is it worth going water or is this enough?

As mentioned above, an extra $20 will go quite a long way here. Noise is usually my focus,followed by temps.

Which is why I went with a Scythe Mugen back when I built last, have been very happy with it

Dasa mentioned the Thermalright HR-02 Macho $59. I would say it's worth the extra $$

 

 

 

Very jealous over here, will be a great system.

Enjoy!

 

Personally I would buy one of those "catleap" 27" LCD's on ebay, they have the same panel as Apple uses (made by LG) at a fraction of the price.

Holy shit! How long have those things been around?

Have you seen any reviews for them?

 

DO WANT.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Personally I would buy one of those "catleap" 27" LCD's on ebay, they have the same panel as Apple uses (made by LG) at a fraction of the price.

Holy shit! How long have those things been around?

Have you seen any reviews for them?

 

DO WANT.

 

A few months at least, looking at buying one next week myself.

I wish I had heard about them earlier so I could of purchased the "old" version that could be overclocked to around 100Hz.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Personally I would buy one of those "catleap" 27" LCD's on ebay, they have the same panel as Apple uses (made by LG) at a fraction of the price.

Holy shit! How long have those things been around?

Have you seen any reviews for them?

 

DO WANT.

 

A few months at least, looking at buying one next week myself.

I wish I had heard about them earlier so I could of purchased the "old" version that could be overclocked to around 100Hz.

 

im interested in reading any reviews people can dig up on these things too.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Personally I would buy one of those "catleap" 27" LCD's on ebay, they have the same panel as Apple uses (made by LG) at a fraction of the price.

Holy shit! How long have those things been around?

Have you seen any reviews for them?

 

DO WANT.

 

A few months at least, looking at buying one next week myself.

I wish I had heard about them earlier so I could of purchased the "old" version that could be overclocked to around 100Hz.

 

im interested in reading any reviews people can dig up on these things too.

 

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-YAMAKASI-CA...=item19cec2f490 <--- one of these? i like it o.o

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Meece and Keyboards are highly subjective, everyone like different things but most are in agreement that the G19 is an overpriced gimmick, this is from someone who still uses an original G15. Mine is a fairly nice board but tbh I don't really use the macro buttons (not an mmo player, I know myself well enough to stay away from that particular brand of crack) and I hardly ever use the screen, there are just not a lot of supported applications with it and mostly I'm looking at my monitor. I do like the backlighting and the fact that I can dim and turn it off and the windows key lock is the best thing ever, but my next keyboard will probably be a Corsair K60 or something similar because I (and most people) don't really need any of the extra fripperies.

 

Like I said though keyboards and especially meece are subjective. Go to a physical store and try a few to see what you like.

 

I agree about the G19 massively overpriced for what it is, look at the Corsair K60 or K90, if you want back lighted keys then the K90 is the go also the macro keys are damn handy just in normal PC usage. Currently I have a G110 and use thse keys for cut, copy, paste etc any multiple kestroke operating can be placed in those. Regarding the mouse you do need to try them out see how they feel. I would recommend avoiding wireless/Bluetooth mice they are a pain. from my experience you need to place the receiver in the front USB ports, My MX1000 bluetooth will not respond properly if I place the blue tooth receiver in the rear USB ports. It is also prone to interference from other bluetooth devices. For gaming you just cannot beat a corded mouse.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ok so a few minor changes, changed the SSD, HDD's, CPU cooler, Monitor and added the keyboard which i really liked the keyboard and the screen was a good money saver so the price has been reduced by approx $214.37 depending on how much i get the screen for when i buy the setup and i'll try out a few mice and see how i go.

 

CPU: Intel Quad Core i5 2500K/3.30GHz/6MB CACHE/LGA1155 CPU - $207.91

 

Mobo: MB1155ARZ68EXTREME4GEN3 - $165.00

 

RAM: G.Skill DDR3-2133 8GB Dual Channel [RipjawsX] F3-17000CL9D-8GBXM - $87

 

PSU: Corsair 850W AX-850 ATX Power Supply, 80 PLUS Gold Certified, 100% Modular Cabling - $245.00

 

GPU: ASUS ATI EAH7970 PCI-E 3.0, 3GB 384-bit GDDR5, 925/5500MHz, D-DVL, HDMI, Mini DP, Fan - $636.75

 

SSD: intel SSDSC2CW060A3K5 SSD 60GB 520 Series, 2.5" SATA III 6Gb/s, 25nm, MLC, read/write speed 550/475MB/s 80K IOPS - $118.97

 

HDD: 2x Seagate BARRACUDA GREEN 2TB ST2000DL003 5900RPM, SATA3, 6GB/S, 3.5", 64MB eol - $249.80 (124.90 EA)

 

Cooling: Corsair Cooling Hydro Series H100 High-performance CPU Cooler, 2011/1366/1156/1155/775 and AM3/AM2 compatible - $151.99

 

Case: NZXT PHANTOM WHITE FULL TOWER USB3.0 W/O PSU - $179.00

 

Monitor: YAMAKASI CATLEAP Q270 SE 27" LED 2560X1440 WQHD DVI-D Dual Computer Monitor - $350.00ish

 

OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64bit OEM - $125.00

 

Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K90. Performance, MMO, Mechanical Gaming Keyboard, Cherry MX Red key switches, 18 customizable G-Keys 15/3 - $159.00

 

Total: $2'674.67

 

there's the revision hope ya'll like it :)

 

also would this system allow for decent over clocking?

Edited by bippy2412

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Wow, those monitors are tasty, may have to buy.

 

Edit: sorry got too tied up looking at dem monitors. Yes that system will oc nicely, the reference 7970 will get noisy if you intend to oc it though.

 

Oh, and not too sure about those green drives, I think they're a bit slow.

Edited by 123abc

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

yep green drive as a c: drive is a big no no, 7.2 k or better for your C drive.

He has a SSD.

Edited by MisterK

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

yep green drive as a c: drive is a big no no, 7.2 k or better for your C drive.

He has a SSD.

 

which is only 60gb not big enough for much by itself and if its to be used as a cache would be best used with a drive like this

ST2000DM001 7200rpm 2x1tb platters providing up to ~180m read speeds

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  

×