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for the SW fans

 

http://www.ablogtoread.com/wp-content/uplo...uskenraider.jpg

 

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-...784221855_n.jpg

 

Im sure you will be able to guess where i worked, anyway, you can take back what ya said now and get back on topic :)

lol, nice.

 

Oh well, next time you're in Perth, look me up and we'll have a beer and compare notes, eh?

 

 

 

I have neither the headspace nor time.

I couldn't have said it better myself :)

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for the SW fans

 

http://www.ablogtoread.com/wp-content/uplo...uskenraider.jpg

 

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-...784221855_n.jpg

 

Im sure you will be able to guess where i worked, anyway, you can take back what ya said now and get back on topic :)

lol, nice.

 

Oh well, next time you're in Perth, look me up and we'll have a beer and compare notes, eh?

 

 

 

I have neither the headspace nor time.

I couldn't have said it better myself :)

 

 

Perhaps you should think about adjusting yours, lest we get too many more blow-ups.

 

So, no IET then?

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A great deal of the illegal immigrants to Australia arrive by plane and simply dont go home.

 

In fact according to this article which references data from the department of Immigration

 

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/illegal-immi...u-1226200568050

 

"There are 13 times more illegal immigrants than there are asylum seekers in detention who have arrived by boat".

 

However I contend that because these illegals are from the US and UK and aren't brown poor people, racists dont think its an issue.

 

What racists do care about are poor people on boats, barely surviving a last ditch effort to make it to safety.

There is a pretty big difference between people who are deemed fit to enter the country and overstay their welcome and people who come without being checked/ not having proof of who they are

 

I get your point, however part of being deemed fit to enter the country means that they are assessed on their likelihood of returning to their country of origin before their Visa has expired. Which means that a great number have been mis-assessed and should be subject to more scrutiny.

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OMFG...

 

Indonesia is poised to allow Australian authorities free rein to rescue asylum seekers in Indonesian waters.

 

Indonesia's defence minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro says he expects a deal to be signed as early as next month which means Australian authorities no longer need permission to enter Indonesia's Search and Rescue Zone.

 

In the past 10 months hundreds of asylum seekers have drowned off the Java coast and hundreds more have issued distress calls.

 

Indonesia says it expects Defence Minister Stephen Smith and Immigration Minister Chris Bowen to visit the country this month, with a possible deal to be signed in September.

 

"There are many illegal migrants coming especially to Christmas Island and they are sending distress signals asking for assistance," Mr Purnomo said.

We are operating a fucking taxi service.

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OMFG...

 

Indonesia is poised to allow Australian authorities free rein to rescue asylum seekers in Indonesian waters.

 

Indonesia's defence minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro says he expects a deal to be signed as early as next month which means Australian authorities no longer need permission to enter Indonesia's Search and Rescue Zone.

 

In the past 10 months hundreds of asylum seekers have drowned off the Java coast and hundreds more have issued distress calls.

 

Indonesia says it expects Defence Minister Stephen Smith and Immigration Minister Chris Bowen to visit the country this month, with a possible deal to be signed in September.

 

"There are many illegal migrants coming especially to Christmas Island and they are sending distress signals asking for assistance," Mr Purnomo said.

We are operating a fucking taxi service.

 

Yeah, better to let them drown, eh?

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Yeah, better to let them drown, eh?

Better let Indonesia do their job in their Search and Rescue zone.

 

Is that too much to ask? We give them enough fucking aid, enough police resources to stop the smugglers.

 

And now we're starting a taxi service for them too. Do our navy personnel need to undergo baggage handling training as well?

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How about we cut some of that aid to indo, call it even for us having to do their job.

 

*SOS comes through*

 

Ahh dont worry, the aussies can take care of that, they are only a 2 day sail away.

 

Next headline

 

*NAVY is under fire for not responding to a SOS call quick enough, 100 kids dead*

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I wonder if this is why we are seeing a lot of Navy guys quit the force? Navy is supposed to defend our border not bring our enemy on too our shores.

 

Just wonder why Search and Rescue are not called out? Like the Coast Guard in USA .

 

You know their is a evil sinister motive behind why Indonesia is letting the Navy in their waters. They want Australia to take 20,000 refugees from them ,why not push them out on barges to the borders and let the Navy pick them up. What ever next is going to happen could be a Hostile event coming. Wish the US Navy could pick them up and take them back to US. After that speech from Hilary Clinton about countries like Australia and Europe and our views on Religion and immigration.

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I wonder if this is why we are seeing a lot of Navy guys quit the force? Navy is supposed to defend our border not bring our enemy on too our shores.

 

Just wonder why Search and Rescue are not called out? Like the Coast Guard in USA .

 

You know their is a evil sinister motive behind why Indonesia is letting the Navy in their waters. They want Australia to take 20,000 refugees from them ,why not push them out on barges to the borders and let the Navy pick them up. What ever next is going to happen could be a Hostile event coming. Wish the US Navy could pick them up and take them back to US. After that speech from Hilary Clinton about countries like Australia and Europe and our views on Religion and immigration.

That all sounds rational.

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Official stats are in for July.

 

1828 refugees in UNHCR camps can go jump. Their spots have been taken by rent-a-bath-tubbers.

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Spectacular own goal for Labor.

 

First the High Court rejects their plan to send refugees into Malaysia's care and now their own "expert panel" tells them to shelve Malaysia and essentially re-implement the pacific solution. And the Malaysia plan is a fall-back that will require adjustments.

 

Morals to take away:

1. Compassion in the hands of ideologues is deadly

2. We finally have a bi-partisan refugee solution

3. Labor couldn't organize a root in a brothel

4. If by some chance 3 managed to happen, Labor would still finish all over their own face due to sheer incompetence

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About 3. Craig Thompson strongly disputes that claim.

 

Meanwhile, the PC Brigade is waiting for directive from headquarters in SoCal before responding to the findings.

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About 3. Craig Thompson strongly disputes that claim.

Didn't you hear? They fired the most competent man in the party, from the party.

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No, suspended.

 

Kind of like an AFL team not allowing a player to run through the banner at the start of the game, benching him for 30 seconds at the start of each quarter, but bringing him on for the remaining 78 minutes of game time.

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Here's the relatively straightforward, simple solution I'd like to see.

 

Work with Indonesian authorities to stop the boats, stop people smugglers, and stop that situation which endangers people's lives.

 

Surely they could be going to somebody in Indonesia and getting fake documents for a flight to Australia for the same amount of money that they're spending on the boats, and it would be far safer.

 

If people are detected on an unidentified and/or unsafe boat in Australian waters, they'll be accompanied to some location on Australia or Christmas Island, given basic health and medical checks, and if they don't have an appropriate visa to enter Australia they'll be detained as illegal entrants pending deportation.

 

If an unidentified or unsafe vessel is detected in Indonesian waters, we'll check to make sure that the Indonesians are aware that they're there.

 

If at any point while they're in custody, they lodge a claim with Australian authorities to seek asylum, that claim will be processed in a thorough way but in the fastest practical way. They'll be kept in immigration detention during this processing. If it appears that they've deliberately lost or destroyed identity documents this will make this process unnecessarily longer, and any fraudulent or dishonest behaviour or obvious behaviour consistent with non-genuine "asylum shopping" will not put them in good standing as a person of good honest character that we want in Australia.

 

No, they can't just freely go out into the community during this processing. How will we find the people whose claims are without merit and are denied? Will we put ankle bracelet trackers on them or something so they can be collected and deported?

 

This application will require honest cooperation from the applicant, and it will require confirmation of the person's identity and country of origin and age and it will require a consideration of Australia's national security to be factored into the application. It may take a long time to collect that sort of evidence, particularly if the applicant can't or won't provide any documentation. It should be done in the fastest practical fashion, but it'll take as long as it takes.

 

If their application for asylum is rejected they'll be deported just as they were going to be anyway if they do not make a claim for asylum.

 

If their application for asylum is granted they'll be granted a temporary protection visa for the shortest practical length of time reasonably expected for the situation in their home country to become more stable or safe. Maybe the situation in their home country has stabilised or improved in the time that their claim has been being processed, and they can go home right away anyway. Asylum applicants DO NOT need to be granted permanent residency or citizenship except in the most unusual cases where they would actually, genuinely, never be safe to return to that country. This visa might be reviewed or renewed when it expires. Illegal immigrants who have overstayed their temporary protection visa in Australia would be treated no differently to any other illegal visa overstayers with any other kind of visa.

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From what I can gather, that is pretty much exactly what we're doing now Goth, and it's not working.

 

For people who are so quick to parade their "Fuck off we're full" posters and bumper stickers, perhaps put yourself in the shoes of these asylum seekers and "que jumpers". You live in a shit hole of a country currently in the middle of a civil war, religious war or one of a dozen other hate crimes or racial injustices. You think "I need to get my family and myself out of here". You look to your neighboring countries, and think, "well they are better than here, but not by much and given the fact the likely corrupt government will sell me out, i'td be far safer me to go somewhere else".

 

Australia like it or not, is by far the safest country in the Asian Pacific for asylum seekers. We have less racism (though hard to tell by looking through this thread in parts), equal opportunity for all (if you're willing to work for it) and in general, some of the best living conditions in the world. I don't know about you, but if I was sitting in Jakarta with my family trying to flee the country after pissing off a couple of religious extremists, I wouldn't be looking at Malaysia, PNG or East Timor as a safe haven, I'd be setting sail for Australia too.

 

Before some of you are so quick to condemn these people, think about what you'd do, and remember, it's easy to say "i'd flee to the nearest border" from the comfort of your armchair.

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From what I can gather, that is pretty much exactly what we're doing now Goth, and it's not working.

 

For people who are so quick to parade their "Fuck off we're full" posters and bumper stickers, perhaps put yourself in the shoes of these asylum seekers and "que jumpers". You live in a shit hole of a country currently in the middle of a civil war, religious war or one of a dozen other hate crimes or racial injustices. You think "I need to get my family and myself out of here". You look to your neighboring countries, and think, "well they are better than here, but not by much and given the fact the likely corrupt government will sell me out, i'td be far safer me to go somewhere else".

 

Australia like it or not, is by far the safest country in the Asian Pacific for asylum seekers. We have less racism (though hard to tell by looking through this thread in parts), equal opportunity for all (if you're willing to work for it) and in general, some of the best living conditions in the world. I don't know about you, but if I was sitting in Jakarta with my family trying to flee the country after pissing off a couple of religious extremists, I wouldn't be looking at Malaysia, PNG or East Timor as a safe haven, I'd be setting sail for Australia too.

 

Before some of you are so quick to condemn these people, think about what you'd do, and remember, it's easy to say "i'd flee to the nearest border" from the comfort of your armchair.

That's all well and nice but the convention is pretty specific that you don't get to choose where you get resettled.

 

Might have been for this very reason - you can't have the millions of refugees in the world suddenly deciding where and how and when they go. The refugee convention is as important as national borders. If you're not willing to defend your borders from an influx of people who are coming just cause they can, and are rich enough to pay for it, why have borders at all?

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Here we go, Labor has finally put politics aside and conceded , everyone defending this joke of a policy (or lack there of) we have in place now can have a nice bite out of reality pie

 

THE Federal Opposition has confirmed it will support legislation for offshore processing on Nauru and Manus Island.

 

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said Ms Gillard had made a “last minute conversion to common sense”.

 

But said it should have come "much, much earlier''.

 

Yesterday, the Gillard government accepted all 22 recommendations of its expert panel, which delivered its report into asylum seekers.

 

"We've had 22,000 illegal arrivals, we've had almost 400 illegal boats, we've had hundreds of drownings at sea because the current government changed a policy that worked,'' Mr Abbott told reporters in Canberra.

 

"The problem on our borders has to be sheeted home directly to the government of the day.''

 

Mr Abbott said he'd been saying for years Ms Gillard should pick up the phone to Nauru's president and it seemed she was finally going to do it.

 

The Greens have expressed outrage over the plan, believing it to be a return to John Howard's policies on refugees.

 

http://www.news.com.au/national/opposition...9-1226449752006

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The Greens have expressed outrage over the plan, believing it to be a return to John Howard's policies on refugees.

What exactly do the Greens and the Socialist Alternative types actually propose as their proposed solution?

 

Bring them in with HMAS Taxi Service and just hand them Australian citizenship right away, no questions asked, without even knowing what their identity is or why they've come here or where they've come from and just let them go off into Australia, for as many people as we detect on radar in Australian waters, or even in Indonesian waters, at all?

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Those types believe they are the arbiter of morality, compassion and good policy.

 

The people who keep voting for them tell them so, so it must be true. The other 85% who don't can go and get stuffed.

 

The best thing about being on the extreme left (and extreme right) is that when you fuck up because your ideological positions don't reflect reality - you an just blame the other guys and call them racist or bigoted and xenophobic.

 

Every single one of those deaths an be in part attributed to Labor ideology, not Labor practicality.

 

They destroyed a solution that worked and then demanded the coalition support them, while calling the coalition everything under the sun. In the meantime people died in the Java sea because what mattered to Labor was not their lives, but their political value as objects of Labor's superior compassion over the Howard coalition.

 

Ideology does not work in place of practicality. It's deadly.

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