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2 hours ago, Kimmo said:

 

Underlying issues that go unmentioned is the planetary business model, innit.

 

Only thing keeping banks alive are the central banks.

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Looks like a mozzie plaque in the next 10 days, when salt marsh mozzies start breeding. This is from the usual government warning every year.

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TVOS 13.0 installing... it generally takes a couple of months for a jailbreak to be developed so I've been stuck almost a year out of date though not bothered to do any softmodding.

I've had 3 or 4 spontaneous reboots while watching video so might see if this cures it (though at the average of one every few months, hard to track down)

 

Should add - at least one good reason to update, it seems that PS4 and XBO wireless controllers are now supported.

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That did n't take long, Turkey has begun bombing Kurdish positions in Northern Syria.

 

It's become completely apparent that  trump made the decision to pull out without consulting with anyone leaving the U.S. forces and their leaders in the region scrambling to catch up.

 

If that does not reveal his complete incompetence when it comes to foreign affairs I don't know what will - he's a disaster and now the Kurds are paying for his mismanagement of the situation.

 

Cheers

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55 minutes ago, chrisg said:

That did n't take long, Turkey has begun bombing Kurdish positions in Northern Syria.

 

It's become completely apparent that  trump made the decision to pull out without consulting with anyone leaving the U.S. forces and their leaders in the region scrambling to catch up.

 

If that does not reveal his complete incompetence when it comes to foreign affairs I don't know what will - he's a disaster and now the Kurds are paying for his mismanagement of the situation.

 

Cheers

 

With friends like Turkey and Saudi Arabia, who needs enemies?

Actually with friends like America, who needs enemies?

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Yeah,

 

 When apparently his best friends list includes Putin and Kim, and Johnson, and Morrison  and he's invited the Turkish Leader to the White Hose you really start wondering where his head is at.

 

Cheers

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2 minutes ago, chrisg said:

Yeah,

 

 When apparently his best friends list includes Putin and Kim, and Johnson, and Morrison  and he's invited the Turkish Leader to the White Hose you really start wondering where his head is at.

 

Cheers

 

You can cross Kim off that list now LOL

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This will be interesting if Kurds from Syria in areas getting smashed by Turkey try to get to Australia,then what will Scomo and Dutton do?

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40 minutes ago, Jeruselem said:

This will be interesting if Kurds from Syria in areas getting smashed by Turkey try to get to Australia,then what will Scomo and Dutton do?

 

I want to know how they plan to deal with the floods of islanders that are going to turn up in the next decade or two.

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13 minutes ago, Cybes said:

 

I want to know how they plan to deal with the floods of islanders that are going to turn up in the next decade or two.

 

Bit hard to send them home when home is a small patch of sand in the middle of ocean. Sounding a bit like "Water World" doesn't it?

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3 minutes ago, Jeruselem said:

Sounding a bit like "Water World" doesn't it?

 

Well... not really.  There'll be quite a lot of land even when every last bit of ice is gone.  The issue is how much of the current population live about 10-60cm above current sea level.  All very well to say "Sell your house and move" (a la Ben Shapiro), but who's going to buy inundated property - mermaids?  And with no money from selling up, how are they expected to procure transport to and residence in a drier locale?  Hence, whilst some will be ok, an awful lot of people are going to become refugees - and considering that so much of the asian chain is densely populated, low-lying, an close, Aus is going to get a large share.

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31 minutes ago, Cybes said:

 

Well... not really.  There'll be quite a lot of land even when every last bit of ice is gone.  The issue is how much of the current population live about 10-60cm above current sea level.  All very well to say "Sell your house and move" (a la Ben Shapiro), but who's going to buy inundated property - mermaids?  And with no money from selling up, how are they expected to procure transport to and residence in a drier locale?  Hence, whilst some will be ok, an awful lot of people are going to become refugees - and considering that so much of the asian chain is densely populated, low-lying, an close, Aus is going to get a large share.

 

For those people living on piles of sand (sorry coral atolls), it might as well be Water World for them.

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Came across the weirdest theory last week that the sea level is not actually rising at all but that the low lying islands, like Maldives, are sinking.

 

Since it is patently obvious that the glaciers are receding I've no idea how that theory accounts for all that water.

 

It is more a question of can we slow the production of CO2 sufficiently, and methane for that matter to tip things back. According to some evidence that was popular a few years ago we are overdue for a new ice age so equilibrium may reassert sooner than we think but I'd certainly not be counting on it.

 

The other question that is completely open ended is that in the progress of climate change are some areas, possibly all, of Australia going to become more of less arable ?

 

At the moment the basic prognosis is less but when meteorologists still can't reliably predict tomorrow's weather  I'd be adopting more of a wait-and-see approach on that one because apart from doing our best to reduce greenhouse gasses and I do agree with Leo China is the major culprit there at present, there is not much more we can do.

 

Just how much more population Australia can sustain is very much a moving target but it could involve some radical changes in present life-style. However so long as we remain in a situation of always short term thinking rather than longer term planning it is always going to be too-little-too-late knee jerking.

 

Stating the obvious ready but there are still denialists  out there.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

 

 

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everyone knows that gasses expand with heat

 

and so the warmth of the atmosphere is pressing the islands into the ocean

 

 

 

that explanation seems waterproof

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5 minutes ago, scruffy1 said:

everyone knows that gasses expand with heat

 

and so the warmth of the atmosphere is pressing the islands into the ocean

 

 

 

that explanation seems waterproof


Some of those islands are just sand anyway so over time storm surges wash the top layers back into the sea.

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Heh,

 

So all those low lying islands that China is constructing at great expense will not last long ?

 

Cheers

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Air pressure would act more on the water actually - like the tidal action of the moon (which in itself does have some affect on the crust)

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5 minutes ago, chrisg said:

Heh,

 

So all those low lying islands that China is constructing at great expense will not last long ?

 

Cheers

 

they are icing those cakes with concrete

 

the production of which is a major contribution towards global warming

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1 hour ago, chrisg said:

when meteorologists still can't reliably predict tomorrow's weather

 

That is weather, not climate.  Climatologists can't and don't have to be able to tell you the temperature for July 28, 2030 - just that the average for that year will be (fudge number) about 3 degrees higher than this year's average.  And if there's that much more energy in the atmosphere, weather patterns planet-wide will be fubar'd.  There are several models with slightly different results, and a couple with very different results, but ALL of them have one thing in common: nearly all the farmland in nearly everwhere is going to change.  Maybe, that means what used to be pasture turns into banana plantation, that swamp dries out enough to be good farmland, or that your wheat field becomes drifting sand, but whichever it is it isn't what you have now, and that disruption is going to kill people until people adapt practices to it.

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8 minutes ago, Rybags said:

Air pressure would act more on the water actually - like the tidal action of the moon (which in itself does have some affect on the crust)

 

acts on both, but as liquids aren't compressible, it would be as effective on pressing islands (that is, no effect)

 

the tidal and atmospheric variations on water levels don't actually compress water, as much as make it, or allow it to, move elsewhere

 

 

 

pardon the cross post


The Australian Federal Government currently have a petition open, and if it gets enough signatures by October 16th it will mean that they will debate declaring a climate emergency in the lower house.

Unlike other advocacy groups, this one is by the parliament meaning they will debate it if they get the signatures so please spread far and wide.

When signing, make sure you do the last step which is verifying your email. ✌️🌎🌍🌏

https://www.aph.gov.au/petition_sign?id=EN1041

 
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Yeah Cybes, sorry climatologists have a bigger fudge factor  🙂

 

Just signed it scruffy 🙂

 

Cheers

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15 hours ago, chrisg said:

Yeah Cybes, sorry climatologists have a bigger fudge factor  🙂

 

Just signed it scruffy 🙂

 

Cheers

 

You know something is up when coral reefs are dying in Qld and moving to NSW ...

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-13/sydney-growing-own-coral-reef-with-help-from-tropical-fish/11466192

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