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I want to record from video tape to DVD. I have tried a few TV tuners and a VCR + DVD combo machine and I always get a weird line at the bottom of the picture. Is there any way to avoid this?

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It's a video tape.

 

Don't expect perfect picture, including funny lines.

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im also looking for a way to convert all my videos over to at least a file on my computer. as long as i get vcr quality out of it im happy.

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It's a video tape.

 

Don't expect perfect picture, including funny lines.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

This.

For best results you need to use something like a Canopus ADVC-55

http://www.grassvalley.com/products/advc55

Not cheap though at around $400.00 for that model.

Has standard RCA in ports and outputs via Firewire, so you need a firewire card or mobo with firewire built in. Note that it won't copy Macrovision protected tapes either (most commercial VHS tapes).

or you could use an internal card like the ACEDVio

http://www.grassvalley.com/products/acedvio

Prices seem to vary massively on this

http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search...dvio&spos=1

Avermedia and probably others do proper capture cards that are cheaper than the GrassValley stuff.

http://www.avermedia.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?IID=7

 

Again may not work with Macrovision protected tapes.

 

When I did this ages ago I used the ADVC-55 for most of my tapes and for the few macrovision protected ones I captured straight to the TV tuner like you. I tried several and got the best results using a Leadtek PXDVR3200H. The bifg thing with this tuner is it has an inbuilt analogue hardware encoder, unlike a lot of other tuner cards. The hardware encoder means you get a lot less audio sync issues which where a real problem with software encoders and the 2.6Ghz P3 based PC I was doing the capture on. At the time this was a fairly high end PC. :P

 

For easy recording a straight DVD Recorder - VHS VCR Combination is often easiest but again won't do copy protected material.

 

As for your original problem you are going to have to run the video through an editor and do a bit of cropping on the video component.

For cropping video in the past I think I used Virtualdub, or Gordianknot, but was a long time ago so don't ask me how to use either of these tools.

Just be aware you want to avoid reencoding your recordings to a different format then burning to DVD which means an other encode. This is not only slow but reduces the video and audio quality each time an encode is done, and you want to avoid that at all costs on a VHS tape recording.

Edited by aliali

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Thanks for the replies. I noticed that it's only when I play the DVD on my PC that the line is there. It works fine on my Panasonic DMP-BD75 BD player and my Panasonic DMR-EZ48V DVD Recorder/VCR Combo which is what I'm using to do the copying ATM.

 

aliali, did you get the line with your Leadtek TV tuner?

 

I probably should have put this in the Photography & Video section.

Edited by fajw

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aliali, did you get the line with your Leadtek TV tuner?

May have done on some tapes but a few of them where quite old. It was some years ago when I did this. Can't check the DVDs because I did run all recordings through an editor before burning to disk.

Interesting that it only appears on the PC perhaps a setting in the video player you are using needs adjusting a bit?

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I doubt it; the same thing happens with VLC and WMP. I wonder if it's something to do with it being optimised for NTSC instead of PAL.

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Could you do a screen cap of this "line" and pop it up somewhere like photobucket or imgur?

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Apart from what Bushi said to try I had that issue on some tapes too. So ye ran it through an editor and slightly cropped top and bottom to remove the lines.

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I use an Easycap DC60+ as my capture device, plugged into the VCR. The audio output from the VCR goes into my sound card, but could equally go into onboard mobo sound.

 

*EDIT* I used the latest drivers found direct here (~28MB .RAR file from ezcap support), they're the same brand re-named to avoid cheap copycats. They work fine on w7 x64, but don't update them through Windows update because it breaks recording and you'll need to roll them back */EDIT*

 

I use DScaler to record, with Gamma, Linear Correction, Sharpness and Noise Reduction filters activated. This is based on a lot of fiddling with settings to get video output I liked.

 

I record with the huffyuv v2.1.1 codec full height interlaced RGB, and audio settings at 48000Hz 16 bit.

 

I then chuck the resulting file through handbrake with video filters Detelecine (default), Deinterlace (slower) and Denoise (medium). Constant quality of RF20. I also boost the audio by 20dBA. It exports as an h.264 mkv file roughly 1.4GB in size for an hour and a half of footage. I could've done smaller, but I wanted to extract all the quality I could.

 

All up, the most expensive part of it is the time I need to invest in hanging around while the various recordings and encodings happen.

 

Then just burn to DVD using whatever software supports h.264 mkvs.

 

Hope that helps :)

Edited by TheFrunj

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Is it possible the issue is there because I'm using DVD+R instead of DVD-R?

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Have you got nero or something that will let you burn the movie as an image rather than, "to disc"?

 

Then you can play the image file back on the PC with mounting software and compare.

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Yes, it's possible, there were a lot of compatability issues with early implementations of DVD burners. Try DVD-R, but it might not make a difference.

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I record with the huffyuv v2.1.1 codec full height interlaced RGB, and audio settings at 48000Hz 16 bit.

 

I then chuck the resulting file through handbrake with video filters Detelecine (default), Deinterlace (slower) and Denoise (medium). Constant quality of RF20. I also boost the audio by 20dBA. It exports as an h.264 mkv file roughly 1.4GB in size for an hour and a half of footage. I could've done smaller, but I wanted to extract all the quality I could.

 

 

Then just burn to DVD using whatever software supports h.264 mkvs.

 

Hope that helps :)

If you are burning to DVD why convert to H264 first?

Go straight from the recorded file to the DVD.

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I record with the huffyuv v2.1.1 codec full height interlaced RGB, and audio settings at 48000Hz 16 bit.

 

I then chuck the resulting file through handbrake with video filters Detelecine (default), Deinterlace (slower) and Denoise (medium). Constant quality of RF20. I also boost the audio by 20dBA. It exports as an h.264 mkv file roughly 1.4GB in size for an hour and a half of footage. I could've done smaller, but I wanted to extract all the quality I could.

 

 

Then just burn to DVD using whatever software supports h.264 mkvs.

 

Hope that helps :)

If you are burning to DVD why convert to H264 first?

Go straight from the recorded file to the DVD.

 

The recorded file from dscaler is about a hundred gigabytes, and I archive digitally, so couldn't recommend a direct to DVD solution that supports such large files.

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TheFrunj,

 

So you don't have the line down the bottom of the picture?

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It depends on the tape, the older they are the more likely it's there. As to why, couldn't tell you.

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Couldn't view the jpgs, but from the description, it sounds like overscan, which is normal. Play it back on a tv and you won't see it because of the masking border, but playing the digital file back on the computer shows everything.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overscan

 

Cropping is one solution, but that will have a negative effect for playback on a tv.

 

I have converted tapes using Sony and Canon cameras with video in, using the cameras a/d conversion and importing via firewire.

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