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I was reading Atomic well before I even had my own PC, but I didn't join the community until 2006.

 

As time went on, the magazine, while still awesome, became less so when things like hardware modification went out the window, the reviews were always great to read and there was always a bunch of cool articles every month.

 

I never subbed and I didn't always buy the mag (but whenever I saw it in a newsagent I would get it), but I'll still miss it, to all involved over the years who made it so awesome, thank you, it will be missed.

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This makes me very sad.

 

I've barely used the forums, as I have a lurker's personality. The magazine, however, has been something of an institution for me, ever since a mate brought issue #1 to school, way back in the day.

 

While some of my favourite content has gone missing over the years (the tutorials, in particular), the articles and regular sections have been of a consistently high quality - although I suspect that the subject matter has matured with the readership!

 

I'll miss you, Atomic. I can only hope you will have the same influence on the PC&TA readers as you have had on me.

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I can only hope you will have the same influence on the PC&TA readers as you have had on me.

Dave, this guy has given me a story idea.

 

Lemme pitch: Basically, I'd like to get a few vendors to ship me their big multifunction printers. Then, I'd like to stick as many random other devices in them as possible. Surely there's space inside one of those bad boys for a wireless modem router with USB support for a TV tuner and HDD for network streaming of time-shifted content, as well as access to digital files and whatnot. Then why not look into home automation, and have the multifunction printer/router/modem/set top/network media streamer also be the center control point of a house. Chuck in a few screens for temperature monitoring of various locations around the household, and maybe tie it in with aircon control units to form an automatic thermostat.

 

Simple, right?

 

 

*Note: I don't really think I'd be able to do this, as I lack the space, energy and money, but I reckon it's a cool idea. Feel free credit me for my genius in the inevitable feature :P

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I can not stop reading it as PCT&A

 

that would have some Hot Trailers on the DVD.

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Wow, some of those avatars I've not seen in perhaps 5 years.

Yeah... I remember the days when we all used to get penised regularly...

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This is sad news indeed, but honestly, I can't say I am surprised by it...12 years ago magazines used to be one of the primary sources of public information for hobbyists, and online content just continued to creep up and take over, to the point that nothing in any magazine was new and unique, as it could all be found somewhere online, and for free.

 

My opinion here isn't popular, but I didn't agree with changing the mag from Maximum Power Computing to Maximum Power Gaming. I felt that with MP Computing, it was such a niche that Atomic had cornered the market on, and it should have run with that and expanded into other forms of computing extremities, such as HTPC and miniaturisation, instead of just overclocking. Sometimes I got really pissed off because with each new product that came out it seemed that all people were interested in was whether it could be overclocked or not. Anyway, I see Dave H's view that the mag had to grow and change with the times, so be it.

 

Another thing I felt was happening was that as Atomic mag grew, it became less of an independant, irreverant and controversial voice of truth within the PC media community. It used to have its own particular viewpoint, whether it was politically correct or mainstream or not...they called a spade a spade, or called bullshit on some product, and if it hurt some manufacturers feelings, then too bad. Likewise if some manufacturer released a product that no-one else saw the value in, or an application for but there WAS one to be had, Atomic would have found it and championed its use. I remember when those PCI-E based flash memory cards were released and they were being shown at a convention, and one of the Atomic writers asked if they could be SLI'd, and the rep stopped and said "We never thought of that, but yeah"...to me, that was what Atomic was about. However I felt that over time they had to start towing the line and playing ball with the big boys. Certain subjects were taboo, and certain viewpoints were frowned upon.

 

I don't see why the forums should die because of this of this news however. I kinda saw them as separate to the mag. As long as articles continue to be written and posted on the front page, along with their links being submitted to various search engines and tech promo sites, new readers and non magazine readers will continue to to visit the page and no doubt be prompted to join the forums.

 

I remember 12 years ago or however long it was, just before I started getting into computing more seriously (ie building my own systems), I walked into a newsagent and found Issue 1 of Atomic on the shelves. Flicking through it, I said there and then this mag is going to be big, and it was. I never subscribed, but always bought every issue over the counter. There was a certain thrill of walking into a newsagent and discovering the newest issue on the racks each month. Not all agencies stocked it, so discovering one that did was almost like finding a treasure.

 

Anyway, as Dave says, the industry changed, perceptions changed, and the mag could no longer hold its edge. Better to bow out gracefully than to crash and burn owing customers subs money and leaving a bad taste in people's mouths.

 

I salute Atomic mag and look forward to the next big thing...

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Read this last night. It felt... weird.

 

I'm not even sure how to react now. Which is odd, considering that its "just" a magazine.

 

As thoughts flutter through my head, the one thing that stands out is my gratitude and respect of the guys that contributed to the magazine. All of them.

 

A special shout out has to go to the editors. In particular, Ben Mansil for mind-boggingly obvious (and awesome!) reasons, and David Hollingworth for putting god-honest blood, sweet, and tears into the magazine. It astounds me how much you cared about the magazine, David, and I respect and appreciate that so much.

 

The magazine may be ending, but in my mind I'll always have the image of a hot model using a hose to spray down the insides of a computer.

 

Posted Image

 

Rob.

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I'd like to personally thank Ben for putting up with my one attempt at a (published) how-to, and it's interminable schedule that seemed to slip back forever (and Carl for writing it with me, and Craig for pointers and support, and Logan who got the poor job of subbing the piece). And also thank everyone else that's contributed to the rag over the last decade and a bit. It sort of feels like going home, considering how many of the 'original' staff either came from PC&TA in the first place or have flitted back and forth between titles over the years.

 

 

But man, that subs cover is going to be something cool.

Us digital subs can get it too? ; )

 

 

One bonus latex fist to Hawkeye if he manages to gradually expand the Atomic content in PC&TA until the point that it is consumed and renamed to Atomic MPC.

I think it should stay PC&TA - PC and Tech Atomic is a pretty good nod.

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It's an unusual thing, when the objects that have always been in the room go missing.

 

Atomic was the start of a journey for me, as a comp.sci undergraduate, over a decade ago now. Atomic was the little interesting thing that would keep me company, in my backpack, as I careered through the tech-life, to where I've ended up now.

 

I've reached the base-camp of a summit now. The text on my little interesting thing has become blurry and hard to make out.

 

I'll need something new and fresh, for the next leg of the climb.

 

It's been an amazing decade and a bit. This isn't the end. Only by and in name, is it an end at all.

 

My gratitude to the founding forefathers, the originators and the bearers of the Atomic torch, as they have come and gone, like so many incarnations of Doctor Who.

 

I'll see you all soon, in a different form and a different place.

 

z

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I have no words. So I'll use someone else's.

 

 

To dream the impossible dream

To fight the unbeatable foe

To bear with unbearable sorrow

To run where the brave dare not go

To right the unrightable wrong

To love pure and chaste from afar

To try when your arms are too weary

To reach the unreachable star

 

This is my quest

To follow that star

No matter how hopeless

No matter how far

 

To fight for the right

Without question or pause

To be willing to march into Hell

For a heavenly cause

 

And I know if I'll only be true

To this glorious quest

That my heart will lie peaceful and calm

When I'm laid to my rest

 

And the world will be better for this

That one mag, scorned and covered with scars

Still strove with its last ounce of courage

To reach the unreachable star

 

Edit:

To Don Quixote - I know today must be hard for you especially. Thinking of you.

To Honorary Native American Man Who Saved Our Home - Thank you. From my heart.

Edited by Chaos.Lady

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I think it should stay PC&TA - PC and Tech Atomic is a pretty good nod.

Drop the PC all together I'd say - Tech Authority is sexier. Tech & Atomic could abbreviate well too ...

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Not much to add as others here have summed it up nicely. Sad times indeed I will miss the mag, never liked PC Authority much, to many ad's. Glad the forum is staying as I would like to return sometime next year, and I still read the posts in all the forums except the green room and there is still a large base of VERY knowledgeable people on these forums and it would be a shame to lose them.

 

If we get an influx of people from PC Authority to the forums perhaps it will inject some much needed new blood. Anyway good luck to you David and to the staff as well, I hope you all land on your feet. Take care everyone. :)

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Mordain does not like this news =(

 

Thanks for all the great memories you shining green beacon of geek

And thank YOU for being part of its heart and soul. That goes for EVERYONE.

 

Right back at you Flouncy and that goes for everyone else involved with Atomic over the years whether it be the mag itself, forums, live, worldlangibfragcon(XP) or anything. You've been a major part of my life and I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.

 

Where's Lambo when I need a tissue

Edited by Mordain

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I'd like to personally thank Ben for putting up with my one attempt at a (published) how-to, and it's interminable schedule that seemed to slip back forever (and Carl for writing it with me, and Craig for pointers and support, and Logan who got the poor job of subbing the piece). And also thank everyone else that's contributed to the rag over the last decade and a bit. It sort of feels like going home, considering how many of the 'original' staff either came from PC&TA in the first place or have flitted back and forth between titles over the years.

 

 

But man, that subs cover is going to be something cool.

Us digital subs can get it too? ; )

 

 

One bonus latex fist to Hawkeye if he manages to gradually expand the Atomic content in PC&TA until the point that it is consumed and renamed to Atomic MPC.

I think it should stay PC&TA - PC and Tech Atomic is a pretty good nod.

 

PC&TA?

 

Some T & A in the mag and it won't just be hardware porn anymore :p

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Sadly I think not thehung:

 

http://mumbrella.com.au/haymarket-closes-t...e-atomic-125124

 

One hell of a decade, at least that's been my time reading and on the forums.

 

I didn't re-subscribe last year, but went on buying even though the content had drifted from my core interests somewhat, but it happens with most niche magazines over time for various reasons. I miss, still, The Absolute Sound, rarely buy Stereophile, the former hewed to its eclectic nature, the latter went commercial. Others have suffered similar fates and doubtless more will because David is right, the trend is to instant content with many publishers struggling to survive.

 

The forums remain, may even grow, a sometimes rocky but always interesting road that has been impacted in other ways, FB being the giant now.

 

I can only thank the magazine for bringing me here, with all its vicissitudes it's one heck of a place.

 

Cheers

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could I sub before the year is out and still get the last issue in a sub cover?

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Um I still have a year worth of subs does that mean I get a years worth of PCTA?

 

pretty much.

 

 

I wonder what happens if someone has a sub to both?

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So I've just read 10 pages of tributes, criticisms, regrets, happy memories, and one awesome gif.

 

Before I start on a huge long winded post, I just wanted to say this.

 

In the 5-6 odd years I've been on the Atomic forums, I finally worked out what elevenwhore's avatar is. An upside down photo. It only just now, after seeing it on the last page, that my brain comprehended what I was seeing. I think that is poetic in a lot of ways.

 

My first Atomic issue was somewhere around issue 20-25. I didn't join the forums for the longest time, although I was aware of POTM and I often saw little quotes from the forum on the POTM page. I was only interested in the magazine at the time, having an online home elsewhere. I purchased Atomic magazine for at least 25-30 issues, but never subbed. Unlike others I don't see my lack of subbing being an issue, because I'd go to 2, sometimes 3 different newsagents each month depending where I was to track down my beloved Atomic. I was paying more for each issue than the sub crowd too, so I gave more than you bastards ever did (I kid).

 

So it pissed me off no end that I'd buy an issue, and there would be a typo. Or a clearly mis-labeled graph. Oh dear god how it pissed me off. But I tend to notice things when reading. My favourite series of books, there is one book that mistakes a character for another because of a similar name. It slipped by their editors, and now it's there for me to remember each and every time I read that series of books.

 

It was the same with Atomic Magazine, in the end. I would buy an issue, and expect to see an error, a typo, a mislabeled graph or even once I believe the wrong graph. Didn't happen all the time. But it happened a lot more than it should have.

 

It feels right to get that off my chest, so many years now after it happened. To acknowledge that it happened, that I loved Atomic so much that despite something that would have had me write off any other magazine after one issue that I kept at it, ignored it as best I could and just enjoy the unique experience that Atomic provided.

 

I remember when they had the competition to give Atomic it's by-line. I remember thinking at the time I had a winner. I was so pissed when they went with Maximum Power Computing. It sucked compared to mine :) It makes me happy to have a rollercoaster of feelings attached to something we all have a joint history with. I stopped buying the magazine a long time before it went with the current Maximum Power Gaming. To my shame, I didn't even notice the change. Funny how some things jump out at you instantly and other things fade into the background. Like elvenwhore's avatar.

 

I joined the Atomic community back in 2007. Just yesterday, before I was aware of this thread, I went over to the V2 archive to see when I joined. It's just occuring to me now that I think I was there at the tail end of the V1 days, I vaguely remember the discussion involving the move to V2. So maybe I was late 2006 ? It's all a bit of a blur, those early days. 800 and a bit posts in V2. Ask me to tell you about any of them and I'd struggle. So many important things in life have happened in the last 5 years, so many monumental changes for me. I do remember the upheaval generated by the two moves between V1 to V2 and V2 to V3 though. We lost a few people each time, less to V3 than to V2 if I remember correctly.

 

I lurked a lot more since we moved to V3 too. I'm surprised that when I look at my post count I've had over 1800 posts on these forums. Doesn't seem like I contributed that much. Probably haven't, compared to others. But I wanted to make more of an effort the last couple months. I wanted to take more interest in the tech I enjoy so much again. A lot of shit that's happened in my life in the last 2 years has started to settle down, I'm having time for my hobbies again. I wanted to be a positive contributor to this forum, to add valuable, useful content, and to learn from my fellow posters. I've loved the last 2 months. It's been great reading, arguing, learning again.

 

I've been through this scenario before. I watched a small community I was involved in, attached to an entity that made money and allowed the forums to exist. The forums had their peak, a Golden Age of prosperity and growth. Forums started to slow down a little, still running along nicely. Members come and members go. Then the entity is bought by a competiting brand. I remember when Atomic's affiliation with Haymarket became more pronounced, started to have a more obvious effect on the magazine. I stopped buying around then. Well the forums back then did as the forums are doing now. They kept on going, largely unchanged. Then the news came. They were amalgamating the entities. Back then it was a regional ISP. This time a magazine.

 

Things didn't change a lot at the start, we got some cross over between the forums of the new owner ISP and our little group. Some friction, some tension, but all in all it didn't change.Much. The senior mods were mostly working there, junior mods like myself played on the gaming servers that were still active from the regional ISP and frequented the forums. Then the news came. They were shutting down our servers. We played CS, the brand ISP boys played Quake 3. The brand ISP said they were only going to continue to support one community of gaming servers. Ours went. Much furor erupted. Many fights initiated. I'm sorry to say I stirred more shit between us and them than anyone else. I attacked the senior moderator of the brand ISP on a daily basis. I was young, I was angry. We lost our servers, our forums still existed. I settled down, and kept my head down. We weren't going to lose our forum.

 

Those guys, the senior moderators of our gaming servers who worked for the brand ISP. They fought every day to keep our gaming servers, our forums. Even though I thought I was helping, I was making their job harder. They put up with so much shit from the brand boys, each and every day about how they were the big boys and our guys were only regional keyboard monkeys. But they loved our forum, our gaming servers they built from the ground up. Much like how Hawkeye went to bat for us right here, and he got a win for us.

 

Inevitable as it was, the bean counters saw no value in our forums, and one by one the boys who worked for the regional ISP left, not wanting to put up with the crap anymore. Eventually it got to the point where the bean counters said, our forum or the other gaming forum. We lost out again. I ranted and raved for a while, with nothing left to lose I just cut lose. Eventually I settled down, and made the most of the remaining time we had. We stayed online that night, posting reply after reply till the url came back in error. It was a pretty sad time for me. I still talk to a couple guys from the forum of the time. One guy who was like 11 when he started there is now 20 something. We were like big brothers to that guy. Crazy, fun times.

 

Honestly, I thought this was Atomic's fate once I saw the Haymarket branding come into play. I thought, here we go again. How much longer does Atomic have a seperate entity ? In print, in online form ? So I just waited, and watched. The announcement doesn't surprise me as such, but I'm still sad to see it. I really, truly hope that this time things will be different. I really hope that I don't watch Hawkeye keep taking hit after hit trying to keep the Atomic contribution in the PC&TA magazine alive. I really hope he doesn't have to listen to beancounters question the validity of maintaining two forums. Not just the physical cost of servers and such, but when controversial posts bring PC&TA into disrepute, and put our forum under a microscope.

 

Do not be surprised if the forum needs to change to survive. That under the umbrella of closer corporate governance that we can't get away with quite as much. This doesn't have to be a bad thing. Lose 5% to maintain the 95%. We lose more each time a long term member has a dummy spit and walks away. If it does happen, I hope people don't give into temptation and feel the need to fight the system to make some kind of statement. It doesn't work. It only brings on the end faster. It makes Hawkeye's job that much harder. It takes away a little bargaining power each time they want to shut our forum down.

 

I'm sincerely hoping nothing from the last paragraph comes to pass. I just hope that if it does, we can all be adults about it and move forward.

 

I'm going to go for a 3 month sub, as long as I can get in on the last Atomic issue. I'm going to give the new PC&TA a chance. When I started this post, I seriously didn't think I would bother. In the past flipping through it in the newsagency it never appealed to me at all. Too many full page ads, not enough complelling content. But I'm willing to give it another try. My hope is that every person who bought Atomic last month, by buying the next issue of PC&TA shows enough of a bump in sales numbers that the bean counters pat themselves on the back, congratulate themselves on a fantastic move they should have done years ago. If they do that, it means good news for the Atomic section. Maybe one day the Atomic writers can get 20 pages, maybe 25 pages even. Share half the magazine ! I'm willing to sub for 3 months on that chance. I'm willing to keep subbing for longer if the standard is there, if the content is there.

 

I think this is the longest post I've written anywhere, ever. That's saying a lot for me. I tend to write a lot of words. I'm that kind of guy. But Atomic deserved this. It's never been perfect, far from it. But it has been good, better than good. It has been excellent. The magazine was excellent. The people that made up this forum, champions. The writers, editors, the publisher that gave us a common theme, to bring us all together, Thank you. Thank you sincerely.

Edited by Devilsmurf

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