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Thought of a couple of others...

 

TT3D Closer to the Edge - Isle of Man motorcycle racing. This one goes hand in hand with Senna for me.

 

Wings of Defeat - about the kamikaze in WWII. Including interviews with... wait for it... surviving kamikaze pilots. Amazing watch.

 

Intangible Asset 82 - about Australian jazz drummer Simon Barker and his experience with Korean shaman drumming, and a trip to Korea that culminates in meeting the master blaster of the art. Can't recommend this one enough.

 

www.intangibleasset82.com

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i think i will do my own doco about peoples tastes in docos.

 

i will ask incisive questions like:

why would people who dont watch motor sport enjoy a doco about motor sport?

why would people who dont like cricket enjoy a doco about cricket?

 

stuff like that

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Super Size Me was a good one. I really enjoyed "Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room" too.

 

"An Inconvenient Truth" would have to be my least favourite, by a whole lot.

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i think i will do my own doco about peoples tastes in docos.

 

i will ask incisive questions like:

why would people who dont watch motor sport enjoy a doco about motor sport?

why would people who dont like cricket enjoy a doco about cricket?

 

stuff like that

Characters. Good or bad, likeable or not, a watchable/enjoyable film/docco lives or dies by it's characters. Senna had Senna and Prost, both great characters, as well as the conflict between the two. I haven't seen the cricket docco mentioned here but I assume it had some fantastic characters as there are many in the cricketing world. Edited by disolusiond

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Senna is definitely a fantastic documentary. I loved it so much.

Doh! I didn't even think of that! definitely the best.

 

When Playboys Ruled The World

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1813750/

 

About James Hunt and Barry Sheene, easily as good as Senna.

 

Hot Tip: If you type the name of that into Google, the first two links are the entire doco on Vimeo and Youtube.

 

 

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why would people who dont watch motor sport enjoy a doco about motor sport?

I can answer that.

 

I think with Senna it's because it's less a doco about motor sport than a doco about a man who happened to be a race driver.

 

I look forward to seeing myself in your doco, which I'm not sure anyone will like.

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if you want people to like you, you could start by giving longer answers :P

 

why would anyone, least of all those not into motorsport, be interested in a doco about a man who happened to be a race driver?

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if you want people to like you, you could start by giving longer answers :P

 

why would anyone, least of all those not into motorsport, be interested in a doco about a man who happened to be a race driver?

I would have thought my conduct on these forums would have made it patently obvious that I really don't care whether anyone likes me. ;-)

 

Short answer: Don't know.

 

Long answer: I don't know.

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if you want people to like you, you could start by giving longer answers :P

 

why would anyone, least of all those not into motorsport, be interested in a doco about a man who happened to be a race driver?

People who enjoy documentaries, obviously.

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When Playboys Ruled The World

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1813750/

 

About James Hunt and Barry Sheene, easily as good as Senna.

 

Hot Tip: If you type the name of that into Google, the first two links are the entire doco on Vimeo and Youtube.

 

 

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This is the only one mentioned in this thread that I haven't seen/heard of. Downloading now.

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i think i will do my own doco about peoples tastes in docos.

 

i will ask incisive questions like:

why would people who dont watch motor sport enjoy a doco about motor sport?

why would people who dont like cricket enjoy a doco about cricket?

 

stuff like that

I produced my own doco about music in 2008. At the time, two producers of prime time tv shows were helping me out and they were urging me to enhance the tension between characters for greater entertainment. I didn't want to do that, as I wanted to make an informative doco, amongst other reasons, but I was shooting broadcast quality, and was hoping it would have greater appeal. They said it couldn't be done, and in the end I realized they were right. I chose informative over entertaining, and worked by myself from there. It was boring and dry for anyone without prior knowledge of the subject, but I said what I wanted to say.

 

Anyway, the greatest thing I learnt from them as tv producers was that the subject doesn't matter. Neither of them cared in the slightest about the music I was talking about. It's the tension that makes it interesting. One of the producers was making his own doco about pigeons that do forward rolls mid flight... I won't go into detail on that one, but if someone can make a doco about that, almost anything can be made interesting.

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oh yes, i am a believer. universal appeal is the greatest of triumphs, especially when improbable.

 

i am just perturbed that i cant think of a ready example from my own experience at the moment [of a doco i loved despite all expectations of a lack of engagement with the subject matter]. there must be quite a few. if only i could remember, i would appear far more sympathetic as i set about pulling teeth, and drawing blood from stone :)

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oh yes, i am a believer. universal appeal is the greatest of triumphs, especially when improbable.

 

i am just perturbed that i cant think of a ready example from my own experience at the moment [of a doco i loved despite all expectations of a lack of engagement with the subject matter].

Watch Senna and you'll have your example.

 

:-p

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COSMOS

 

There really haven't been any to beat that, yet. Match, perhaps.

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Gary Hustwit's "Design Trilogy" is pretty good.

 

http://www.helveticafilm.com/

http://www.objectifiedfilm.com/

http://urbanizedfilm.com/

 

 

I really dug "Blood into Wine", about Maynard James Keenan's foray into wine production in Arizona.

 

http://www.bloodintowine.com/

 

 

"Side by Side" I've already mentioned on here before.

 

http://sidebysidethemovie.com/

 

 

Dunno what else to mention...I've got about half a terabyte in my "Documentaries" folder, mostly British doco shows...mostly history stuff.

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oh yes, i am a believer. universal appeal is the greatest of triumphs, especially when improbable.

 

i am just perturbed that i cant think of a ready example from my own experience at the moment [of a doco i loved despite all expectations of a lack of engagement with the subject matter].

Watch Senna and you'll have your example.

 

:-p

 

if youre assuming i have zero interest in motorsport - nah. thats not the case at all.

 

i certainly appreciate F1, in principle; as not just a race, but an epic marathon that demands not just true athleticism but knife-edge technical precision at all levels. that makes me slightly horny. but i still find the sport somewhat impenetrable as a lone spectator. because thats what i am — i dont have any friends who are into it. it is on TV at strange times. its far more difficult than other things to be casually drawn into, in that getting properly into it demands an appreciation of the underlying context of each race, and the backstory of each driver, car, and team. that is something of a barrier for my lazy non-billionaire self, who can probably never hope to relate to that world in a more immediate and personal way. plus, the lack of parity shits me :)

 

so i was really asking on behalf of those with far less interest than myself.

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Food, inc. is pretty good, though the gene patents/GM claims should be taken with a grain of salt when viewed from an Australian audience's perspective.

 

+1 Dear Zachary (my favourite) and Fog of War.

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oh yes, i am a believer. universal appeal is the greatest of triumphs, especially when improbable.

 

i am just perturbed that i cant think of a ready example from my own experience at the moment [of a doco i loved despite all expectations of a lack of engagement with the subject matter].

Watch Senna and you'll have your example.

 

:-p

 

if youre assuming i have zero interest in motorsport - nah. thats not the case at all.

 

i certainly appreciate F1, in principle; as not just a race, but an epic marathon that demands not just true athleticism but knife-edge technical precision at all levels. that makes me slightly horny. but i still find the sport somewhat impenetrable as a lone spectator. because thats what i am — i dont have any friends who are into it. it is on TV at strange times. its far more difficult than other things to be casually drawn into, in that getting properly into it demands an appreciation of the underlying context of each race, and the backstory of each driver, car, and team. that is something of a barrier for my lazy non-billionaire self, who can probably never hope to relate to that world in a more immediate and personal way. plus, the lack of parity shits me :)

 

so i was really asking on behalf of those with far less interest than myself.

 

Ha!

 

That's an excellent summary of my relationship with the sport.

 

I'll do you the courtesy of a more complete reply shortly.

 

EDIT: I think the reason why anyone, motor sport fan or not, would find the documentary compelling is that the film is very much focused on the man - Senna. Therefore, it is very "character driven", and the sport itself is peripheral to the story of the man. Furthermore, the film is built up to a crescendo and the inevitable conclusion to the point where, come Imola, my heart was literally pounding. It's a very sensitively made film without being simpering or deifying the subject.

 

As you can see, film review isn't really my thang!

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Any thing by Adam Curtis.

 

A whole new way of Docos.

 

Just check out "it felt like a kiss" it is a cross between visual art and Doco. And really leads into " Machines of loving grace" which is a mush watch. everything this guy makes i s much watch.

 

World at War is a must watch too. Best WW2 Doco. there is others that fill in the specifics, but as a genearl over view... i think like 20 hours of history it is unbeatable.

 

And stuff by Nialll Ferguson is must watch stuff, Money, The world war (i think that is what it was called.)

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Idiocracy

Best 'doco' on the future ever. :p

 

Some I've enjoyed:

Alone In The Zone (Chernobyl doco)

Posting a trailer because I guess it's not that well known.

 

DMT: The Spirit Molecule : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1340425/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Buy The Ticket, Take The Ride - Hunter S. Thompson On Film : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0775438/?ref_=sr_1

Planet Earth : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0795176/?ref_=sr_1

Life (well, anything Attenborough narrated, really) : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1533395/?ref_=fn_al_tt_3

Senna : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1424432/?ref_=sr_1

I Am Bruce Lee : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1954299/?ref_=sr_1

How Bruce Lee Changed The World : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1437833/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

 

 

 

And I'm currently going through 'Ancient Aliens', a History Channel series : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1643266/?ref_=sr_1

Which I'm mostly finding interesting because I enjoy learning about ancient civilizations and seeing strange things that can't really be explained.

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