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Well, the reviews all seem to say the same thing which is "Nice but not enough". I think Intel has reached the limits on the Core architecture now and given how Haswell barely improved anything from Ivy, it's disappointing at best.

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I wanted more overclocking.

i now wait for steamroller

Edited by noskcaj

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I await cold results, this is where haswell will shine from early results I have seen..:D

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5.4ghz on phase change since some sandy chips can do this on water its looking like haswell doesnt overclock any better than ivy

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/4437/48/in...th-phase-change

 

ipc improvements show some potential 15-37% although he fact that 3770k is getting beaten by 2700k in one of those tests suggests it may not be performing as it should

http://lab501.ro/procesoare-chipseturi/has...i7-4770k-review

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http://www.hardware.fr/articles/897-21/cpu...arma-ii-oa.html

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Luck of the Draw?

 

From all the feedback that I am getting through motherboard makers about Haswell overclocking, the basic thread at this time in terms of getting "high overclocks" seems to be, "You need to have a good CPU." ASUS has tested a couple hundred Haswell processors at this time and this is ASUS’ specific feedback from that overclock testing.

 

70% of CPUs can clock to 4.5GHz

30% of CPUs can clock to 4.6GHz

20% of CPUs can clock to 4.7GHz

10% of CPUs can to 4.8GHz

 

Overall you will find most CPUs capable of reaching 44x to 45x with varying levels of voltage.

 

These ASUS results were obtained with sealed water cooling systems that are comparable to a Corsair H80/H100 configuration or extremely efficient air cooling with 120mm push/pull fans while applying a maximum core voltage of 1.275v under full thread load conditions.

http://hardocp.com/article/2013/06/01/inte.../6#.Uaqnb5zZSI4

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I wanted more overclocking.

i now wait for steamroller

Can you re-edit and fix the grammar? o_O

 

I'm hoping steamroller will be decent, i was and am still an AMD fanboy.

 

Wishing the Athlon XP days will return but I'm not holding my breath.

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Do you think there would be much benefit upgrading from Nehalem (i7-920) to Haswell?

huge.

 

That's a bit ambiguous, care to elaborate how?

 

well it could be ~50% quicker while using about half the power lots of small steps in ipc have added up over the years along with the added bonus of higher clock speeds

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/47?vs=701

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-cha...od%5B5753%5D=on

 

So a big jump from my Q6600 too then?

 

Prob not worth upgrading from my Pentium D.

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you can do better than h100i

Swiftech H220

 

i would go with 2400 ram myself i think it hits the sweat spot

no idea what mb i would buy though

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Overall, I think Haswell will do well for anyone that is below Sandy Bridge given the improvements overall. Motherboards hasn't been lifted yet so we'll know soon.

 

I do feel that Broadwell could be the last of the Core architecture since it's just another Tick of Haswell. So far, I don't think Intel can improve the Core architecture better than what they have ATM...

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I agree fully.

Core has done great and people are nuts if they expect 30% increase in IPC inside the same power envelope every single 12 months,,,,

 

Anyone with Nehalem or Yorkfield would do well to switch

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I agree fully.

Core has done great and people are nuts if they expect 30% increase in IPC inside the same power envelope every single 12 months,,,,

 

Anyone with Nehalem or Yorkfield would do well to switch

Phenom II is still perfectly fine :-P

 

Also something else to take into consideration. Core i7 2600k was clocked at 3.4GHz, the Core i7 3770k was clocked at 3.5GHz, which is the same for the new Haswell Core i7. So this time around the only improvements on performance came from IPC, not that and a slight increase in clock speed as we used to get

Edited by nobody813

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Agreed, tick-tock has delivered very consistently for some time now and no new iteration has really been a failure. Having said that, if Core is reaching a barrier then what is Skylake going to have to be like? For some reason I expect something more along the lines of 'Core i9' rather than a Nehalem-like revolution.

 

And yes anything released today will be a massive jump from my Core 2 Duo E8600 :)

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I am sure a lot of people will be ordering new Motherboards and CPUs today!

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Agreed, tick-tock has delivered very consistently for some time now and no new iteration has really been a failure. Having said that, if Core is reaching a barrier then what is Skylake going to have to be like? For some reason I expect something more along the lines of 'Core i9' rather than a Nehalem-like revolution.

 

And yes anything released today will be a massive jump from my Core 2 Duo E8600 :)

If I recall correctly, Skylake would be based on a fusion from Core and the Atom. So it's not entirely an new architecture, just refining and merging what they got.

 

However, the problem is that Intel has already gotten the power/performance almost perfect these days so I doubt we'll see another revolution like the Core again.

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I am sure a lot of people will be ordering new Motherboards and CPUs today!

Figuring out which motherboard is the fun part...

 

i was looking at the ASUS deluxe or deluxe/dual... and with that a 2 x 8gb 2400 corsair ram kit and the 4770k (and the AIO cooler dasa recomended), it'll be a nice upgrade from what i have now

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Hmm to upgrade or not to upgrade.

The 750 is running fine, sata3 would be nice though.

Edited by mudjimba

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If I recall correctly, Skylake would be based on a fusion from Core and the Atom. So it's not entirely an new architecture, just refining and merging what they got.

 

However, the problem is that Intel has already gotten the power/performance almost perfect these days so I doubt we'll see another revolution like the Core again.

Perhaps it's true what they've been saying about silicon for some time now- that the possibilities it affords us are stretching to a breaking point. 1nm process graphene CPUs here we come.

 

i think we need a skylake thread already

Spoken like a true tech head. Nothing is ever enough.

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i think we need a skylake thread already

Can you press the create a thread button? Or would you sooner Atomic's Resident Tech News Bot to make on for you? :-P

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i think we need a skylake thread already

Can you press the create a thread button? Or would you sooner Atomic's Resident Tech News Bot to make on for you? :-P

 

make the tech bot do it..:P

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i think we need a skylake thread already

Can you press the create a thread button? Or would you sooner Atomic's Resident Tech News Bot to make on for you? :-P

 

make the tech bot do it..:P

 

i already made one.

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