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Although there is now a killer app for FTTH: piracy

 

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LOL.

 

I guess the rest would be porn and Netflix.

 

Took me a while to get through that, but I must have missed the part where it said that P2P == Piracy. Also, I don't recall seeing that particular graphic anywhere in the document linked.

 

Seriously, Leo, I want to know how you find the time to read all the stuff you seem to have so readily at hand. I have no demands on my time at all, but I can't keep up to date on even half the stuff upon which you're an expert. How you manage all that whilst having a life and a career is quite beyond me.

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Cybes: Depends how involved he is with his little one. I helped out with bottle feeding in the middle of the night and cuddling my little one til he went to sleep. It's amazing how much you can read whilst doing that.

 

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Quick question.

While I was away for uni in Adelaide, someone came to my house and installed what I assume is the PCD (I got home today and saw it on the side of the house). Was that person meant to install the NTD( which is what I'm meant to connect to my router I assume?), or do I call my telco?

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Quick question.

While I was away for uni in Adelaide, someone came to my house and installed what I assume is the PCD (I got home today and saw it on the side of the house). Was that person meant to install the NTD( which is what I'm meant to connect to my router I assume?), or do I call my telco?

Sounds like SA is still doing the two part install, so yes the NTD will be installed when you order a service. Last install I attended in Tassie as an observer the installer did both at once.

 

As the NTD goes inside on most installs the installer needs the owner/tenant or a representative of the owner/tenant to be present to give them access to the premises and to say where they want the NTD. Some installers will try to railroad you in to having the NTD where it is easiest for them to install it (often in a ridiculous and near useless spot), so you may need to stand your ground on the location of the NTD. NBNs installer guide allows for up to 40 metres of fibre from PCD to NTD, but if roof or underfloor access is restricted or hard to get to it may be classed as a non-standard install even if less than 40 metres of fibre. For a non-standard install you have to rebook the install and pay an install fee.

 

Having said that some installers seem to be working on the "if I can't do it in under an hour it is not a standard install" attitude which is complete bullshit.

 

So stand your ground with the installer about location, even have the NBNCo number handy in case you have to call them about the installer.

On the other side I have been present for one install where I consider the installer went above and beyond what was required. Did a damn good job and shrugged off that he had to drill through over a foot of concrete to feed the fibre in. It was that or drill two feet of Bluestone (Tasmanian Dolerite) and I know which is a damn sight harder and it isn't concrete.

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Yeah he'd still be drilling the dolerite next year. Had to drill through three inches of that stuff one day installing a pump for a Spa Bath. Took about an hour and a half and wrecked two 10mm masonry bits.

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Yeah he'd still be drilling the dolerite next year. Had to drill through three inches of that stuff one day installing a pump for a Spa Bath. Took about an hour and a half and wrecked two 10mm masonry bits.

Has that effect on masonry bits doesn't it?

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Found this http://fttn.mynbn.info/?esa=WOYY

Gives a very good map of the expected speeds of FTTN around the Woy Woy area. A lot of pink in there.

 

Check out Kingsview drive, one side of the street is expected to be 90-100mbps, other side 0-25mpbs all because it is serviced by a different node.

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Found this http://fttn.mynbn.info/?esa=WOYY

 

Gives a very good map of the expected speeds of FTTN around the Woy Woy area. A lot of pink in there.

Wow. The difference between 100Mbps glory and 25Mbps scrub tier is literally crossing the road in many cases.

 

What a waste of time.

 

(Though in the FAQ it says that no vectoring is assumed, we'll see I guess...)

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Found this http://fttn.mynbn.info/?esa=WOYY

 

Gives a very good map of the expected speeds of FTTN around the Woy Woy area. A lot of pink in there.

Wow. The difference between 100Mbps glory and 25Mbps scrub tier is literally crossing the road in many cases.

 

What a waste of time.

 

(Though in the FAQ it says that no vectoring is assumed, we'll see I guess...)

 

 

Dude, next to each other on the same street. Imagine being in that situation. Fuck I would just pay my neighbour to run a Cat6 cable over to my house.

 

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That particular instance looks more like there is data missing for that patch. But yeah, looks pretty grim.

 

Bear in mind, all MT promised is 25Mbps. So even if your next-door neighbour is getting 100Mbps, your shit tier connection would be "acceptable" in that instance.

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That particular instance looks more like there is data missing for that patch. But yeah, looks pretty grim.

 

Bear in mind, all MT promised is 25Mbps. So even if your next-door neighbour is getting 100Mbps, your shit tier connection would be "acceptable" in that instance.

 

According to the map its serviced by Pillar 69. There are other examples around the town though.

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So in other words the same situation as with ADSL perpetuated. My old place I was getting a pretty decent connection on ADSL2+, guy over the road had less than a quarter what I was getting, different exchange, we were right on the boundary.

 

It's the case right now of course of have and have-nots if you are on the edge of the fibre that has been installed.

 

Get glass and you can pick your speed.

 

Cheers

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What made you think a fibre rollout would change the have/have nots game?

 

The haves would be on fibre, the have nots would be on satellite or stationary LTE at 25mbps max.

 

The difference would be that you're probably living in a place that'd get fibre so you and most of your friends would be ok.

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What made you think a fibre rollout would change the have/have nots game?

 

The haves would be on fibre, the have nots would be on satellite or stationary LTE at 25mbps max.

 

The difference would be that you're probably living in a place that'd get fibre so you and most of your friends would be ok.

 

The difference would be that the haves and have nots wouldn't be within 20 metres of each other.

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A very different situation though Nich.

 

In most all cases not getting fibre is to some extent at least a lifestyle choice and the technology involved in both Sat. and LTE will only improve, on copper it will only get worse.

 

Cheers

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A very different situation though Nich.

 

In most all cases not getting fibre is to some extent at least a lifestyle choice and the technology involved in both Sat. and LTE will only improve, on copper it will only get worse.

 

Cheers

Yep I am in a Fixed Wireless coverage area, and envy those on fibre, however the fixed wireless will be soo much better than my current ADSL. I will also never get FTTN unless NBNCo want to run 5 Kms of fibre from the exchange and put a Node at the bottom of my driveway to service 5 or 6 houses only.

It also seems NBNCo don't actually know about the tower built on the hill across the valley from me that I photographed here

http://forums.atomicmpc.com.au/index.php/topic/54838-nbn-is-it-too-expensive/page-49?do=findComment&comment=1128911

Got a message the other night from an NBNCo rep as a result of my posts about it on Whirlpool wanting to know where this tower is and am I sure it is an NBNCo one?

Sheesh.

Still waiting to hear back from them to see if they can find it.

:-(

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:)

 

From what I hear ali the wireless group are sort of the lepers at NBNCo, that they have "lost" a tower somehow does not really surprise me :)

 

Cheers

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:)

 

From what I hear ali the wireless group are sort of the lepers at NBNCo, that they have "lost" a tower somehow does not really surprise me :)

 

Cheers

 

Hey, big organisations can lose amazing shit, even without that sort of 'help'. British 'lost' a manned station, ffs. Still paying wages, etc - no record of it or the employees. Losing a phone tower seems rather unsurprising in comparison. ;p

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A very different situation though Nich.

 

In most all cases not getting fibre is to some extent at least a lifestyle choice and the technology involved in both Sat. and LTE will only improve, on copper it will only get worse.

Living anywhere is a lifestyle choice. Labor sounded moronic talking about how the latest round of FTTN NBN was going to create some digital divide, because they basically made everyone ignore stationary wireless and satellite footprints because lol big cities and towns or bust.

 

Whether it's node hardware or tower hardware, I don't expect most of either to get much upgrading done over the 5-10 yr mark, judging by current ADSL and 3/4g upgrade cycles.

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:)

 

Carriers Cybes.

 

I'd have thought NBNCo to be a little young but T$ over the years have managed to "lose" half the network to poor record keeping :)

 

I'd never really have believed that but I was pretty much assured it was the case by a very disgruntled engineer there when working with them on an ISP contract. No reason to disbelieve him either, he was a very capable long term veteran of the organisation.

 

Cheers

 

Edit: Yeah I'd pretty much agree with you Nich, although NBNCo may be different but carriers have a very annoying habit of ignoring new tech for as long as they can to wring the most out of installed base. The thing is though for fixed wireless it is not too difficult to perform upgrades, or too expensive, satellite can be stuck much longer in the obsolescence cycle.

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Goodbye mostly ubiquitous network, we hardly knew ye.

 

The MTM FTTN scheme is a fucking disgrace.

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Time for "I TOLD YOU SO".

My parents are in the roll-out area for the TPG FTTB service based on VDSL2. No G.fast. They live in an 84-unit 3-entry block in Rosebery. Line distance is 92.5m from the basement according to the tech who used a Psiber meter to get the distance to the node in the basement.

They connected about a week ago and TPG sent them a Huawei HG630 router/gateway with WiFi. Evidence:

 

Modem/Router:

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Connection:

 

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Speedtest 1:

 

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Speedtest 2:

 

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