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NBN - Is it too expensive?

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My time has come...

I rent a little flat underneath a house. The owner lives upstairs.

When I moved in back in 2012, I paid for HFC installation for Bigpond cable (which is what my current connection is)

However, I'm told that we only have one free NTD per address, and I'm hoping that because I'm the only customer on the HFC, that I can get it.

But when the landlady wants to migrate her Optus connection, she'll have to pay for an additional NTD ($300)

To be honest, I just want my own internet connection, and not have to share. Multiple customers could use the Telstra HFC simply by using a splitter and adding a new modem, so why is NBN different?

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6 hours ago, Leonid said:

We have solved this for stadiums.

 

Yep, i've done stadium jobs too. Not 4G in that case, but high density Wi-Fi. 

And yes, DAS systems and Microcells can definitely help in that regard. That doesn't mean there isn't noise, just that we can control it enough (usually only just) for it to work at its limits. 

Stadiums do have the advantage of basically being a big faraday cage though, so you can design them with almost an expectation of nothing buy background noise levels in the area, compared to the big wide world outside, like suburb/city scale infrastructure has to deal with. 

 

6 hours ago, Leonid said:

Tell me about it. What with FHD laptops provided by schools, needing FHD video at the huge bandwidth range of 5-8Mbps, you clearly need 100Mbps connections in every home.

No, not every home. eg, if i wasn't a heavy user (due to both personal and work requirements) i wouldn't need 100mbit. But 35Mbit is limiting what i'm able to do, particularly in my case due to the only 7MBit upload speed. 

So sure, lets say FHD video is 5-8MBit as you claim (super high compression there), and a kid needs to upload a video to either youtube or the schools online systems, then your internet is effectively unusable (in my example) until such video is uploaded. That's if you've got one kid. Sadly, there are many breeders in this world, so some families have more than one kid. Crazy, can't see why myself... but can't help some people. 

 

 

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5-8Mbps isn’t high compression. $150 basic security cameras do it on-chip 🙂

In addition, any home router will allocate traffic allowance to others if a YouTube upload is ongoing. That’s because it’s not multiple connections like torrenting is - and as such it’s quite ok.

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With adsl my wife's phone backing up video via Google photos used to kill our connection both ways til it was done. That is 1Mbps upload though. Just saying that typical cheap routers don't always manage bandwidth that well. 

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4 hours ago, Leonid said:

5-8Mbps isn’t high compression. $150 basic security cameras do it on-chip 🙂

 

Yep i've got plenty of those too. They're fucking high compression. 

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10 hours ago, smadge1 said:

My time has come...

I rent a little flat underneath a house. The owner lives upstairs.

When I moved in back in 2012, I paid for HFC installation for Bigpond cable (which is what my current connection is)

However, I'm told that we only have one free NTD per address, and I'm hoping that because I'm the only customer on the HFC, that I can get it.

But when the landlady wants to migrate her Optus connection, she'll have to pay for an additional NTD ($300)

To be honest, I just want my own internet connection, and not have to share. Multiple customers could use the Telstra HFC simply by using a splitter and adding a new modem, so why is NBN different?

Not  a situation I've seen, but NBN is wholesale so your carrier is the one to talk to.

I can't really see why it would be an issue but NBN in their FAQs are very vague about your having your own connection.

Seems analogous to cabling up a high-rise on a mini-scale, one connection in, sell ti out discretely to each business in the building.

I'd talk to your carrier but would be interested in what they come back with.

Cheers

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On 27/02/2019 at 4:42 PM, Leonid said:

Actually shorter copper is our solution.

In every test, running VDSL2 yields better performance than ADSL2+ over identical copper lengths.

Hell maybe the next NBN upgrade is VDSL3 with FTTC... or you know... wireless 🙂

That was a lot of work to come around and agree with what was said.

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9 hours ago, Caelum said:

Yep i've got plenty of those too. They're fucking high compression. 

Not any more. HEVC/h.265 can get you to half that.

There's a few in the industry with support, but it's fairly expensive still... and AV1 may make it redundant due to patent issues in h.265 and because AV1 is a further (up to) 20% higher compressed... don't know of any surveillance company with hardware on-chip AV1 encoding.

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Off and on we play around with security CCTV via a company that specialises in it in Perth.

Certainly a lot of activity in that area not just on compression but smarter means to burst detail on demand etc - big field with a lot to come I'd guess, H.265 is after all pretty old.

Been some years now but I was involved with video compression based on Cellular Automata Transforms for a while. It faltered through lack of funds but the original developer in the states is still working on it.

Cheers

 

 

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