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Compared to existing multilateral agreements, the TPP IPR chapter proposes the granting of more patents, the creation of intellectual property rights on data, the extension of the terms of protection for patents and copyrights, expansions of right holder privileges, and increases in the penalties for infringement. The TPP text shrinks the space for exceptions in all types of intellectual property rights. Negotiated in secret, the proposed text is bad for access to knowledge, bad for access to medicine, and profoundly bad for innovation.

The text reveals that the most anti-consumer and anti-freedom country in the negotiations is the United States, taking the most extreme and hard-line positions on most issues. But the text also reveals that several other countries in the negotiation are willing to compromise the public’s rights, in a quest for a new trade deal with the United States.

The United States and other countries have defended the secrecy of the negotiations in part on the grounds that the government negotiators receive all the advice they need from 700 corporate advisors cleared to see the text. The U.S. negotiators claim that the proposals need not be subject to public scrutiny because they are merely promoting U.S. legal traditions. Other governments claim that they will resist corporate right holder lobbying pressures. But the version released by Wikileaks reminds us why government officials supervised only by well-connected corporate advisors can’t be trusted.

http://keionline.org/node/1825

 

 

In a time where innovation is stifled by archaic copyright laws, we get this. Complete utter bullshit, and they know it's so, hence all the secrecy. Abbott has already made it very clear that he has every intention of signing it.

 

For the love of all things good, please consider this behaviour next time we go to the polls.

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I considered that and many other things before the last election. Still got stuck with that buffoon.

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The problem is that most people are incapable of actually considring the implication of their votes, let alone each party's stance on issues.

 

Hence we end up with an idiot as Prime Minister.

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Corporations run the world now. Any illusion you have any say in things evaporated long ago. Elections are the method to make you *think* you have any sense of control.

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If you trust any politician anymore, then you're a complete idiot.

 

This just proves that politicians only serve the interests of corporations, not the people that put them in office in the first place.

 

They need to be reminded of that fact, whatever it takes.

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No, the problem is that people are completely apathetic toward the political process. There are parties that exist which want to serve the people. But nobody gives them the time of day.

 

It's easy to say the system is fucked and do nothing about it. How about people start putting some effort in.

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No, the problem is that people are completely apathetic toward the political process. There are parties that exist which want to serve the people. But nobody gives them the time of day.

 

It's easy to say the system is fucked and do nothing about it. How about people start putting some effort in.

This. We all like to sit around and bitch about what we read in the newspapers, but we're seemingly incapable of doing anything about it.

 

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I'm sort of starting to wonder what the tipping point will be now. But whatever it is I'm pretty sure it's a long way off. The problem as I see it is that the public expects the government to be trying to erode our privacy and our rights to make decisions for ourselves, so when this stuff happens everyone just nods their heads, accepts it, and on we go.

 

I'm starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist. Damn.

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I really cannot understand it? too me it sounds like the US controlling our way of life on every aspect. And it takes our rights away to complain about things like pricing and availability.

 

Is this correct?

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I really cannot understand it? too me it sounds like the US controlling our way of life on every aspect. And it takes our rights away to complain about things like pricing and availability.

 

Is this correct?

 

That's a start, yes. But keep in mind that 'U.S.' = 'corporations', and check out the links on the other thread.

 

A CEC breakdown here.

 

http://cecaust.com.au/releases/2013_10_10_Silk_Road.html

 

New Prime Minister Tony Abbott was confronted with two opposing agendas at this week’s Bali APEC Summit:

 

Barack Obama’s insidious Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) free trade snare for the Asia-Pacific, which will strip national governments of all rights and put them under the heel of the private power of multinational corporations;

An offer from China for regional economic cooperation around the grand infrastructure development perspective China calls the “New Silk Road”, and which China’s new president just expanded to a “maritime Silk Road”.

 

When Prime Minister Abbott met with Chinese President Xi Jinping in Bali 6 October, ahead of the APEC summit, both leaders affirmed the importance of strengthening Australian-Chinese cooperation.

 

However, Abbott then declared his government’s support for the free trade TPP, which The Australian on 7 October tellingly described as “a key economic element of the US ‘pivot’ to the Asia-Pacific region”. Obama’s so-called “pivot” is a hostile military and diplomatic “containment” of China, which in reality is a dangerous fuse for a thermonuclear world war.

 

What on earth is Abbott getting Australia into?

 

China, which is not part of the TPP, has voiced serious objections, as have two countries which are included, Vietnam and Malaysia, objections echoed by former Malaysian Prime Minister, Dr. Mahathir Mohamad. A reputable U.S. blogger, Jim Hightower, has exposed the little-known details of the TPP, including its overall intention to establish a supra-national imperial dictatorship governed by non-elected corporate/banking interests and overseen by a supra-national court responsible to no nation.

 

Hightower points out that the TPP would prohibit national governments from taking necessary steps to protect their citizens from corporate abuses, and he singles out the much-needed restoration of a Glass-Steagall banking separation to protect depositors as something that TPP would stop:

 

“The deal explicitly prohibits transaction taxes … it restricts “firewall” reforms that separate consumer banking from risky investment banking (thus prohibiting Congress from reinstating the much needed Glass-Steagall firewall in our country); … These extreme provisions would be enforceable by the banks themselves—TPP empowers them to force governments either to repeal reform laws or to compensate banks with taxpayer money for “losses” they say are caused by reforms.”

 

(Click here for a detailed listing of the sovereign rights that the TPP will strip away from national government.)

 

Peace through cooperative economic development

 

In stark contrast to the TPP, on 13 September at the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) Leaders’ Summit Chinese President Xi Jinping reiterated his call for a “New Silk Road”. He underlined the necessity for economic cooperation among nations in order to beat the global depression and to confront the three evils of terrorism, separatism, and extremism.

 

The rest is currently 'secret', which me laugh harder when I hear the word 'democracy', but whatever. Time to start a letter writing campaign to the pollies.

 

And from hangthebankers.

 

Linky

 

GMO labeling to be illegal, generic drugs to be all but shut down

 

The countries currently involved in the TPP include the United States, Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam. More are being bullied into signing the agreement with each passing month. Although the exact language of the TPP is a tightly-protected secret, it is reported that the TPP will require:

 

• Dropping of all bans on GMOs. All countries signing the TPP must allow GMOs to be grown in their country and secretly used throughout the food supply — all GMO labeling will be outlawed.

 

• Shutting down all generic drug manufacturers who make “copycat” drugs that compete with the monopoly patents of top U.S. drug makers.

 

• Redefining resistance against GMOs as “anti-free trade practices” that can result in economic sanctions against nations that attempt to ban GMOs.

 

• The outlawing of “Fair Use” of copyrighted material. Anyone using an image, a short video clip, an audio clip, etc., would be criminalize and possibly arrested and imprisoned under the TPP.

 

• Flooding the U.S. market with polluted, unsafe food products from nations that have virtually no enforcement of regulations on pesticides and herbicides. As Nationofchange.org reports, “[Corporations] are carefully crafting the TPP to ensure that citizens of the involved countries have no control over food safety, what they will be eating, where it is grown, the conditions under which food is grown and the use of herbicides and pesticides.”

 

• Banning people from using the internet if they engage in Fair Use of copyrighted material. This would shut down virtually the entire alternative media, many blogs, and silence most critics of the global corporate cabal.

 

• Forcing member nations to criminalize small-scale copyright infringement such as someone sharing a music file with a friend. Domineering copyright enforcement provisions are being influenced by the MPAA which has also been given extraordinary influence over the language of the TPP.

 

• Vastly reducing banking regulations, allowing criminal banksters to steal even more money globally while facing no repercussions for their actions. “The agreement would also be a boon for Wall Street and its campaign to water down regulations put in place after the 2008 financial crisis,” writes Wallach in the NY Times. “Among other things, it would practically forbid bans on risky financial products, including the toxic derivatives that helped cause the crisis in the first place.”

 

Essentially, take every criminal corporation you can imagine, make a list of all their most evil priorities to dominate and enslave humankind, and write them all down. That’s the TPP. It is the executive enforcement of a totalitarian wish list of corporate evil to dominate and enslave humankind. (No wonder Obama doesn’t want you to be able to read it…)

 

Maybe this is why the TPP is being referred to as the “Death Star” of our modern economy.

 

It’s called the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP), and it’s a secret trade pact being negotiated completely outside of law, with no congressional authority but with the aim of forcing nations around the world to ban GMO labeling, embrace Monsanto’s GMO crops and keep pharmaceutical prices artificially high to enrich the world’s medication monopolists.

 

A purely executive creation of the Office of the United States Trade Representative — i.e. created outside of law with zero public accountability — the TPP involves White House loyalists running around the world, strong-arming over a dozen nations into signing on to a corporate domination agreement knowingly misnamed “free trade.”

 

Details of the TPP are so secret that even members of Congress are not allowed to review them or disclose them. What we know about the TPP has only come from leaks, as the full text of the entire agreement is being kept not only from Congress but also the American people. Yet over 600 corporate CEOs — including CEOs of companies that have been repeatedly found guilty of felony crimes in America — have been allowed to influence the details of the TPP agreements. Monsanto, Wal-Mart and Big Pharma corporations are reportedly given top influence positions in this super-secret Obama organization that hands the future of the world over to the most evil corporations of all time.

 

Learn more about the TPP in this video:

Edited by Director

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Sounds a bit like Coles and Woolworths buying everything up and producing their own goods and removing all competition.

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Sounds a bit like Coles and Woolworths buying everything up and producing their own goods and removing all competition.

 

By giving themselves power over governments and populations, yes.

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How long until something like Time Warner Bros Disney (or w/e the fuck they're caled these days) actually owns a government, and passes laws that only their content can be purchased in that country. Please tell me it hasn't yet happened...

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With the left hand: "No, unions are bad, they interfere with business' ability to compete fairly with each other, and with offshore businesses. This drives prices up and is bad for consumers. Prices would be better if businesses had to compete."

 

With the right hand: "No, businesses shouldn't have to compete with one another OR improve themselves to earn consumer dollars. They should have free reign to collude and dictate unfair terms to consumers, because competition is too much effort."

 

Fucking Australia.

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With the left hand: "No, unions are bad, they interfere with business' ability to compete fairly with each other, and with offshore businesses. This drives prices up and is bad for consumers. Prices would be better if businesses had to compete."

 

With the right hand: "No, businesses shouldn't have to compete with one another OR improve themselves to earn consumer dollars. They should have free reign to collude and dictate unfair terms to consumers, because competition is too much effort."

 

Fucking Australia.

If a business requires legislation to boost their bottom line, then they shouldn't be around. Where there's profit there's natural competition, even if it's made up of little guys. For markets which are essential but have low business interest for whatever reason, the government should take up the responsibility and offer the service(s). Similarly, services that are essential across all markets should not be privatised and should offer near zero margins. This includes telecommunication (including Internet infrastructure), water, power, and gas.

 

The more tools you give the citizens, the more freedom they have, the more likely they will innovate. You cannot build a strong economy without innovation. We will run out of exploitable natural resources, and if not, we'll all cop the consequences eventually (climate change, toxicity, pollution etc.)

 

The sad thing? Companies like MS are at UNSW every bloody month taking our most talented computer scientists and engineers to go work in Seattle. IBM, Google etc. do it too. Why? Because they see the value in Australian citizens that our government does not. What a joke.

 

This trade agreement benefits US corporations and fucks the little guys. The little guys are where all the talent is. Perhaps we should look less into restoring the dwindling mining boom, and more into those students mounting up debt and leaving in droves due to our zero technical industry. We want to stay here. We really really do.

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• The outlawing of “Fair Use” of copyrighted material. Anyone using an image, a short video clip, an audio clip, etc., would be criminalize and possibly arrested and imprisoned under the TPP.

This is already the case in Australia

 

There is no "fair use" of copyrighted material in Australia.

Edited by xyzzy frobozz

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• The outlawing of “Fair Use” of copyrighted material. Anyone using an image, a short video clip, an audio clip, etc., would be criminalize and possibly arrested and imprisoned under the TPP.

This is already the case in Australia

 

There is no "fair use" of copyrighted material in Australia.

 

We do have fair dealing which protects satire and parody (to some extent) which surely would come into affect with the memes that the article focusses on?, I can't actually find that much about this as every news article on Google has the same source.

Edited by GoFaster

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• The outlawing of “Fair Use” of copyrighted material. Anyone using an image, a short video clip, an audio clip, etc., would be criminalize and possibly arrested and imprisoned under the TPP.

This is already the case in Australia

 

There is no "fair use" of copyrighted material in Australia.

 

Insert standard I AM NOT A LAWYER disclaimer here.

 

Technically true, but deeply misleading. Australia has a Fair Dealing exception, which is more limited than the Fair Use exception applied in the US. Without getting completely bogged down in details, Fair Dealing requires that the use be for certain purposes (education, criticism, parody, news reporting, etc), and then applies other factors to determine if a work is covered by the Fair Dealing Defence. Fair Use, by contrast, applies the four factor test. One of the factors considered by this test is whether the use falls within a list of categories remarkably similar to the list used by the Fair Dealing test. The other factors are also rather similar to those considered by the Fair Dealing test. As such, the main difference between the two is that under Fair Dealing, a work must fit within a protected category, whereas under Fair Use the other three factors could outweigh the fact that the work did not fit into a protected category.

 

In any event, the document on wikileaks contains two articles which appear (on a first reading) to enshrine a party's right to apply reasonable limitations to copyright, and to include both fair use and fair dealing as reasonable. The portions that I've had a chance to read also do not seem to criminalise low-level infringement. The structure of the treaty implies a continued role for civil enforcement (ie they can sue you for torrenting, rather than have you arrested). Commercial scale piracy is to be a criminal offence, but it pretty much is already.

 

That said, there is one provision which is deeply disturbing. Some of the parties to the negotiation (apparently including both the US and Aus) want 'Commercial' expanded to include "significant" infringement, even when there is no commercial or financial motive proven. The important question is how it is imported into domestic law, of course, but I do have some concerns if that language is directly imported. "Significant" could be (and often is) interpreted as meaning "not insignificant." There are other possible interpretations, but I worry that someone downloading a season of 'Game of Thrones' for personal use may end up caught up as significant - and therefore commercial. Still, judges tend to be a bit more conservative when interpreting terms in criminal matters. I'm honestly not sure which way that would go.

 

The article Director linked overstates its case. There are many things in the draft that we should be wary of. We don't need exaggerated reports; the facts are concern enough.

Edited by DaCraw

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Seeing as I have been paying zero attention to 'news' of any form the last half decade, is any of this TPP bullshit being discussed, mentioned, etc in the mainstream media? Or is this something that's going to fuck everyone in the arse and they didn't even know and/or care. Because to me, this seems like the kind of thing that should be front page worthy stuff.

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Seeing as I have been paying zero attention to 'news' of any form the last half decade, is any of this TPP bullshit being discussed, mentioned, etc in the mainstream media? Or is this something that's going to fuck everyone in the arse and they didn't even know and/or care. Because to me, this seems like the kind of thing that should be front page worthy stuff.

The Age have picked it up.

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Seeing as I have been paying zero attention to 'news' of any form the last half decade, is any of this TPP bullshit being discussed, mentioned, etc in the mainstream media? Or is this something that's going to fuck everyone in the arse and they didn't even know and/or care. Because to me, this seems like the kind of thing that should be front page worthy stuff.

The Age have picked it up.

 

This is the first time the MSM has picked it up isn't it?, not that that's a surprise up before now all I could find when I went looking was conjecture.

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• The outlawing of “Fair Use” of copyrighted material. Anyone using an image, a short video clip, an audio clip, etc., would be criminalize and possibly arrested and imprisoned under the TPP.

This is already the case in Australia

 

There is no "fair use" of copyrighted material in Australia.

 

Insert standard I AM NOT A LAWYER disclaimer here.

Technically true, but deeply misleading.

 

The Murdoch Press misleading people?

 

I'm shocked!

 

The article Director linked overstates its case. There are many things in the draft that we should be wary of. We don't need exaggerated reports; the facts are concern enough.

A Director linked article exaggerating?

 

I'm shocked!

Edited by xyzzy frobozz

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