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Speaking of Bourne when is the follow up to Ultimatum coming???

Who gives a fuck, Ludlum only wrote three Bourne books... (AFAIK).

 

Anyone with information to the contrary, please to correct me if I'm wrong.

 

-A-

 

correct, tho Eric van lustbader (sp?) also wrote 3 bourne books set after ultimatum: the bourne Legacy, the bourne betrayal, and recently the bourne sanction, tho, imo, the Ludlum ones are far superior in every way to the Lustbader ones.

 

and, there should NEVER be another bourne film. the films version of the story is over. let bourne live a normal life.

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It's gotta be less torturing than Australia though, surely.

 

 

Surely you would have had to see both movies to know the answer?

 

I mean who would be so stupid to judge it before actually seeing it.

 

Well, I can only go by what I've seen, obviously, but it seems like it's panning out to be the biggest load of suck since Titanic.

 

Chillax, tiger. I don't mind if you like it :P

 

 

 

You must be very good at jigsaw puzzles? ‎

2hr 45min‎ movie and you would be lucky to have seen 2 minutes of it.

 

 

If I like it or not will come down to when I see it.

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Of the people I know, I'm one of the few to have read Flemming's work. Craig is the closest the Bond franchise has ever come to interpreting Fleming's vision of a blunt instrument.

 

These two movies have resurrected the Bond love in me. Especially after that retardation of a movie - Die Another Day.

While not reading any of them like Lenoid, Craig is pretty good. Though Connery will be very hard to live up to. He had everything. Class, subtle, wit, and humour.

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It's gotta be less torturing than Australia though, surely.

 

 

Surely you would have had to see both movies to know the answer?

 

I mean who would be so stupid to judge it before actually seeing it.

 

Well, I can only go by what I've seen, obviously, but it seems like it's panning out to be the biggest load of suck since Titanic.

 

Chillax, tiger. I don't mind if you like it :P

 

 

 

You must be very good at jigsaw puzzles? ‎

2hr 45min‎ movie and you would be lucky to have seen 2 minutes of it.

 

 

If I like it or not will come down to when I see it.

 

More power to you.

 

Anyway, I'm gonna stop derailing now. Back to QoS, which I do actually have some interest in seeing.

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Class, subtle, wit, and humour.

That's not Bond though. Not the Flemming Bond anyway.

 

Flemming's Bond was a blunt instrument of the MI6, a completely ruthless agent who was completely unexciting, though exciting things happened around him. He was a dark and brooding character, deeply flawed.

 

All the previous Bonds had none of this (with exception to Dalton) - they were all suave sleaze-bags, impossible to hurt and arrayed with gadgets and full of clichés.

 

Daniel Craig's Bond is vulnerable, brooding and can be hurt. He cares about more than his dick, has deep character flaws and is a far more active, muscular Bond. Brosnan would go through an entire movie fight scene without a scar. Craig's Bond desires revenge, doesn't shrug off death of friends/lovers as previous Bonds did and dwells on the past. There's not as many gadgets and there are no clichés.

 

It's a Bond that doesn't feel like a spoof.

 

I like it. If Craig can pull off a third movie with the same class, I'll have no trouble elevating him above all previous Bonds.

Edited by Leonid

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;)

 

I don't disagree Leo, but, you would have to admit that no way would the Bond phenomenon have persisted if it had have remained faithful to the books.

 

BB (Book Bond) mirrored Fleming in many ways, increasing disillusionment, a paring down to nothing, self-destructive, looking for an alternative but driven at the same time.

 

Five movies max and a couple of plots would have been merged......

 

Cheers

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Our movies mirrors the attitudes of time.

 

Audience in the 60-70-80s wouldn't have connected with the darker Bond. Cos nobody wanted to see a movie about a blunt instrument. They want fun and explosions and babes.

 

Today we have different standards. We know the world is harsh and there's no such thing as a happy ending. Hell even Superman had to settle with his gf hooking up with another guy.

 

There's nothing wrong with either Bond.

 

Hell, give another 2 decades, Bond could end up being a super-smart techno-geek who kicks holographic arse on the virtual net. /shudders

Edited by Oracle X

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Our movies mirrors the attitudes of time.

 

Audience in the 60-70-80s wouldn't have connected with the darker Bond. Cos nobody wanted to see a movie about a blunt instrument. They want fun and explosions and babes.

Hmm I think you might be on the right track there, but is it really because back then they didn't know the world was harsh? The 60-80s were full of WWII, Korea and Vietnam vets...

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Our movies mirrors the attitudes of time.

 

Audience in the 60-70-80s wouldn't have connected with the darker Bond. Cos nobody wanted to see a movie about a blunt instrument. They want fun and explosions and babes.

Hmm I think you might be on the right track there, but is it really because back then they didn't know the world was harsh? The 60-80s were full of WWII, Korea and Vietnam vets...

 

 

Exactly and the last thing they want to see is more darkness and pain when there's already plenty of reminder of that. People want to get away to places where the good always triumph over evil and live happily after so they are reaffirmed in the inevitable success of their own struggles.

 

Nowadays we don't have "great tragedies" or social upheavals. The worse thing that threatens us is a meaningless and mediocre existence. So directors are more willing explore painful subjects because we're more ready to look inwards at our lives.

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It's because the people of the naughties are incredibly pessimistic about the future. We have an overwhelmingly negative opinion about the state the world is in, an exaggerated opinion of how dangerous the world is. The new Bond, the new Superman, the new Batman all fit into this nicely.

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It's because the people of the naughties are incredibly pessimistic about the future. We have an overwhelmingly negative opinion about the state the world is in, an exaggerated opinion of how dangerous the world is. The new Bond, the new Superman, the new Batman all fit into this nicely.

An exaggerated opinion Sap?

 

Hardly.

 

For those who haven't left the coccoon of the West and allied nations, try it sometime. You'll find the exaggerated opinion doesn't even come close to meeting the full reality of the situation.

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For those who haven't left the coccoon of the West and allied nations, try it sometime. You'll find the exaggerated opinion doesn't even come close to meeting the full reality of the situation.

And what is the full reality, if you don't mind me being so direct?

 

Or perhaps this is a topic for a discussion thread, and not a Bond movie one ;)

 

 

Perhaps I will enjoy QoS more the second time through, I was rather distracted that time by the 007 chocolate, and free food >.>

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Eh, I kind of like the new Bond. If Casino Royale's any indicator, I look forward to seeing where it'll go. And the character's a lot more... I don't know whether I'd say realistic or easier to relate to, but Craig's Bond strikes a better note with me.

 

How's the 'Bond song' this time around, anyway? I loved Chris Cornell doing it last time- to the point where I think it'd be hard to top.

 

Oh, and speaking of hard to top- I don't know if anyone could ever top Eva Green as 'hottest Bond chick in all of recorded history', but if anyone had a shot, it'd probably be Olga Kurylenko.

Edited by The Manta

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How's the 'Bond song' this time around, anyway? I loved Chris Cornell doing it last time- to the point where I think it'd be hard to top.

I like it, Jack White & Alicia Keys 'Another Way To Die'

 

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It's also funny how every new Bond girl in the post 90s franchise insists that they're not just arm-candy like the ones before them. :-P

 

Maybe there needs to be a Jane Bond movie franchise.

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Hmm... the song's alright I guess- and that's high praise cause I usually can't stand either artist. Still think they were on to a good thing with Cornell tho.

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I was disappointed i found the whole movie was disjointed and rushed. at least this film had the pay off ostensibly nude women women holding guns in the intro.

Edited by battlefield_gir

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I loved it.

 

From the first 20 seconds, with the sound of Bond's Aston ripping through a tunnel, I was hooked.

 

The opening car chase was excellent, with cars crashing properly, not just exploding into fireballs.

 

The standard way-too-long intro scene was definitely one of my favourites of all the Bond movies, all the sand effects and stuff looked excellent. I especially loved the bit where he fires his gun in slow motion, showing all the recoil and the slide action and whatnot. I'd love to make a gif out of that. Alicia Keys voice wasn't as good as I would have liked though. Not as sultry and seductive as Bond songs usually are.

 

The fighting was great, not quite as brutal as Bourne, but still not bad.

 

The plot was a little thin, and the movie dragged in the middle, like the majority of movies.

 

But unless I happened to not be looking at the screen for a considerable amount of time, they did not include that shot of Bond stalking through the desert with the silenced MP5. I was looking forward to that.

 

Anyway, definitely one of the best bond movies I've seen. Heh, I especially liked the way he'd just toss things aside after using them, like his phone, or the hotel keys. That was great.

Edited by Harmonic Cacophony

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I saw it this afternoon.

 

The film has its good points and bad points. For a start there is way too much action stuff with Bond trying to be a Jason Bourne type character.

 

Gadgets - none really - however there was a fancy computer system with an interesting user interface.

 

The car chase at the start was quite good - they used 12 identical Aston Martins in the making of the movie.

 

Casino Royale was a much better movie than Quantun of Solace.

 

And did Bond get his quantum of solace - you will have to see the movie to find out.

 

Is Daniel Graig the best bond ever? I don't think this is a fair comparison. In the two movies he has starred in, the movies have been a marked change away from the typical bond movie. I suppose this was inevitable because Bond movies used to be about bedding the leading ladies, and gadgets and some over the top stunts - they were starting to lose their relevance.

 

These two movies show a darker grittier Bond who will do anything to get the crims - and that means putting his body on the line. Something that Sean Connery and Roger Moore never really did.

 

Anyway the movie IS worth watching - however some people will like it and others won't.

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I like the direction of the latest bond movies, they are getting away from that far fetched shit and making it more believable, like bourne in some ways if you must.

 

one thing i have to comment on, the intro song, it was disappointing, and the visual effect while the song where playing were even worse.

 

although i did like/love the movie, it'll be one that gets added to my movie collection.

 

i was also one looking forward to the scene with him walking in the desert with that mp5 of whatever he had, oh well

Edited by reklaw120

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I mean who would be so stupid to judge it before actually seeing it.

I hate all Baz Luhrmann's films. Bar none. I'll be surprised if I like this "epic" either.

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Sadly, this movie wasn't as good as the hype made it out to be.

 

There were plenty of action, sure, but too rushed and forced. There's no sense of style or thrill just random things blowing up and breaking apart.

 

The villain was mediocre and the plot was thin. Casino Royal made sense in a way that QoS didn't. QoS went from place to place, location to location without giving any reason why everyone's racking up their frequent flier points.

 

oh and the ending was a total anti-climax. CR's ending had me shivering with anticipation and excitement, QoS left me going "errrr... ok..."

 

 

And lastly, the theme song totally sucked hobo dickcheese.

 

I mean seriously, wtf is with that rap/hiphop shit?

 

 

 

6/10

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