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I think i would rather our scientists have a crack at finding something then we can make billions off selling our discovery to the world. Then put the profits of that back into the health system.

 

I hate Big Pharma.

 

Gofaster - what do you mean its not even close? the money is going to international drug companies not domestic Australian research. I dont like that

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Gofaster - what do you mean its not even close? the money is going to international drug companies not domestic Australian research. I dont like that

Not it's not, the article you posted said that as the government would not use the research fund to fund the commercialisation of medical research, then it would likely be picked up by large international pharmaceutical companies. That is very different to not funding local research.

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"There will be no Carbon Tax under a government I lead"

She said nothing about a carbon price, otoh. That everyone since has chosen to (mis)represent it as such since is beside the point.

 

And of course the second half of the sentence that we all insist on forgetting.

 

No broken promise there.

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"There will be no Carbon Tax under a government I lead"

She said nothing about a carbon price, otoh. That everyone since has chosen to (mis)represent it as such since is beside the point.

 

And of course the second half of the sentence that we all insist on forgetting.

 

No broken promise there.

 

What second half of that sentence? The one made up by new Matilda or what she actually said?

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the title is actually a rhetorical question, i think

 

some time ago i gave my opinion that tony abbott would prove to be our worst prime minister ever, although to be fair i can only remember back to living under ming and his successors, so maybe prior to the middle of last century we had worse leaders

 

anyway, several people offered a dissenting opinion at the time, so i thought it was germane to revisit the subject and ask if there are any people out there who might be able to offer a positive spin on this bunch of hooray henries

 

don't let me single out the p.m. though - feel free to comment on joe hockey, christopher pyne and george brandis too, to name just the worst other offenders on the front bench

 

 

i don't think i've been as embarrassed to admit australian citizenship since the latter days of the howard regime, but i would be pleased to have somebody enlighten me as to the significant positive changes to australia since the last federal election... although i must accept that the defeat and retirement of kevin rudd stands up as one shining plus

 

 

 

knock yourselves out

Hockey. Entitled fool. Determined to punish the poor.

 

Brandis. Deeply vindictive

 

Pyne. Terrible at being a politician. Even worse at being a minister.

 

Bishop the elder. Most partisan speaker in living memory

 

Bishop the younger. Mildly retarded?

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This government is as crap as all those before it and those that will come after it. People who couldn't care less about me or you, pretending to care about me and you.

 

What a load of shit...

Pretty much this.

 

My 2c though is simply along the lines of blaming the kiddies who find themselves left alone with the keys to the lolly shop but the idiots who keep on giving them the keys in the first place despite the decades of prior experience of what happens when they do.

 

So you just go ahead and vote for whatever labour (or liberal) puppet is thrust in your face next time, because you know, next time it will be 'different'.

 

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I don't have a problem with a bit of austerity to reign in what appears to me (uneducated in the details of economics) to be have been excessive spending by the previous governments.

 

Smarter people than me will argue the finer points of how much stimulus was essential to avoid recession/depression, how much made it comfortable, and where to draw the line of excess that was crossed.

 

But I don't understand where the belt tightening mandates taking a cricket bat to social justice across so many areas. I don't even see a logical linkage between the "saving money here" while "blowing megabucks over there to step on a bunch of people's necks".

 

In the future when we look back I think the legacy of this government might be:

1. Judged as having "done good" on the budget/economic issues - maybe solid 'B' Grade.

2. I can't see any way in which they will have been judged to have displayed good leadership and vision - They can't sell any message to the public without screwing up the delivery. In terms of effectiveness they seem as dysfunctional as Labor was (yet labour had leadership issues you could clearly point to for their instability). - Grade - scraping through with 'C minus'

3. Judged with shame and regret on social/humanitarian/global issues. - An emphatic 'F'.

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nice video, director

 

although it is more succinctly put as "no matter who you vote for, you get a politician"

 

i have no doubt that all alleged political "service" is self-interested at the heart, but the quality of those climbing over the corpses of their opponents and conspirators seems to get worse with each passing election, although i realise maybe my advancing years makes me even more sceptical of the farce of proportional representation

 

as for budgetary balance - labour spends like a drunken sailor, but has some degree of social conscience; the liberals seem obsessed by extinguishing the national debt by neglecting essential spending and selling assets

 

neither manage their balance of income and expenditure with the due diligence that i as a single income family manage to have done for over 3 decades, in the meantime paying off a major debt without fail .... being in surplus is the necessity; being crazed by the possibility of going debt free in a hurry having sold my house seems to be the liberal way

 

maggie thatcher opined that "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend"

the alternative idea that life is purely a matter of financial interest while the planet burns is idiocy

 

no wonder i never vote for either major party - the pirate party have the most reasonable concepts for a lot of big issues, but have no hope of power even if it's just due to stupid marketing - their ideas may be yaaaar! but they don't have the cachet of established hierarchy (as they don't agree with the premise of hierarchy)

 

if there was a box that said "none of the above, they are all shit-full" i reckon that party would gain a seat

 

 

hmm, there's an idea whose time has come

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if there was a box that said "none of the above, they are all shit-full" i reckon that party would gain a seat

 

 

hmm, there's an idea whose time has come

Clive Palmer?

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And as ICAC is showing us rorting is in the LNP's very soul.

 

Brian Loughnane, the Federal Director of the Liberal Party, has been drawn into the scandal embroiling the party with evidence given to a corruption inquiry that he rubberstamped the use of federal channels to subvert the NSW ban on donations from property developers.

 

 

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/icac-hears-that-...806-100vlc.html

 

 

Two more Libs gone.

 

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/tim-owen-and-and...806-10113q.html

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Told ya.

 

Hockey. Entitled fool. Determined to punish the poor.

 

Brandis. Deeply vindictive

 

Pyne. Terrible at being a politician. Even worse at being a minister.

 

Bishop the elder. Most partisan speaker in living memory

 

Bishop the younger. Mildly retarded?

You forgot Scott Morrison - irredeemable cunt.

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Told ya.

 

Hockey. Entitled fool. Determined to punish the poor.

 

Brandis. Deeply vindictive

 

Pyne. Terrible at being a politician. Even worse at being a minister.

 

Bishop the elder. Most partisan speaker in living memory

 

Bishop the younger. Mildly retarded?

You forgot Scott Morrison - irredeemable cunt.

 

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She did well with the Pakistan Chief of Army too

 

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She is the best politician in government, her performance at the UN has earned her News reports from around the world talking about her, she is shinning so bright it is distracting away from how dull the rest are.

 

I hope she takes leadership so we can have the first female PM that isn't embarrassing on the world stage.

 

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The Greens seem to be the only ones opposing this entirely. I do not believe for one minute these measures will be restricted to "terrorism".

And the Pirate Party, who I think are more reasonable than the Greens in many areas.

 

Anyway, reading through this tread reminded me of the article How Politics Makes Us Stupid.

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The Greens seem to be the only ones opposing this entirely. I do not believe for one minute these measures will be restricted to "terrorism".

And the Pirate Party, who I think are more reasonable than the Greens in many areas.

 

Anyway, reading through this tread reminded me of the article How Politics Makes Us Stupid.

 

Both lib/lab have been stinging to get their hands into the internet for years. Terrorism will get expanded to crime and crime is downloading the new game of thrones season

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That money was going to be sent overseas to contribute to a foreign research program, not domestic.

Source?

 

Rob.

 

BIG international drug companies, not the Australian economy, will reap the profits from the $20 billion medical research fund financed by the new fee on GP visits, experts warn.

Health Minister Peter Dutton has raised the ire of researchers by ruling out using money from the $20 billion medical research fund to commercialise Australian medical breakthroughs.

“The government with taxpayers money is not a hedge fund, we’re not an entrepreneur with a huge appetite for high risk, high return,” Mr Dutton said

 

 

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/sie...m-1226941785144

 

 

 

:(

 

lols, at least we know who behind the scheme now.

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Told ya.

 

Hockey. Entitled fool. Determined to punish the poor.

 

Brandis. Deeply vindictive

 

Pyne. Terrible at being a politician. Even worse at being a minister.

 

Bishop the elder. Most partisan speaker in living memory

 

Bishop the younger. Mildly retarded?

You forgot Scott Morrison - irredeemable cunt.

 

My apologies. Very true.

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The damage they did hasn't been fully realised yet - it's the things we'll miss out on for probably another 10 years that will emphasise it. And the sad thing is that others will get the blame.

You're right, the wrong people get the blame - Federal Labor.

 

During the Rudd/Gillard years, government spending remained at the ten year average - around 25% of GDP.

 

Which means that, considering Labor was in government during the GFC, a period of lower GDP, the previous Coalition governments spent more in real terms. They basically pissed up the proceeds of the resources boom on Pork Barreling the electorate, and then blamed Labor for spending the money that kept us out of recession during the GFC.

 

It's the stuff of Orwell novels.

 

To say that it was solely Labor that kept us out of recession would be simplistic. The country did have money "in the bank", and this allowed Labor to deploy funds to keep the economy afloat. But to say our current debt situation is down to profligate spending by Labor utterly ignores the truth.

 

With regards to the OP, I don't know whether Abbott is a better or worse Prime Minister than Rudd, but it's so close we might as well call a dead heat for last.

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With regards to the OP, I don't know whether Abbott is a better or worse Prime Minister than Rudd, but it's so close we might as well call a dead heat for last.

true that

 

but only one arsehat is still the putative leader of our nation, and i don't think we've yet witnessed the nadir of his reign

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The fall in taxation revenue during the GFC, plus the stimulus spending still comes nowhere near the turnaround amount in the overall financial situation.

 

To say that KRudd/Gillard were responsible spenders and that Howard splurged is ludicrous at the least.

And there are countless figures, graphs, reports to confirm it.

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Rybags: The issue is that it's all based on statistics. And you get can get graphs and figures to prove ANYTHING there.

 

Both sides of politics.

 

The issue is the I can't think of any benefit Abbott has provided yet. Hockey is worse. And I get the feeling he's going to be reassigned soon. Even his own party is turning their back on him.

 

The $20billion is not $20billion. It's an estimation based on current trends of doctor visits remaining the same. The AMA and various other medical professionals think it's lunacy.

 

But there is a way they can get that $20bil.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-20/kauf...-budget/5463830

Basically, if you want vaccines, you have to do the co-payment.

 

No matter how bad KRudd was (Gillard wasn't too bad. She was just less effective because of party bullcrap), he's still not as bad as Abbott. Rudd wasn't so bad because he did nothing. Abbott is bad because he takes a hammer to a shop specializing in Crystal.

 

Abbotts budget is fail on many counts. It relies on spending remaining the same. It relies on consumer confidence remaining the same. They're not. They're dropping. Why? Because of his budget. And he'd have known this if he consulted economists. But Abbott has said time and again he doesn't trust economists.

 

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To say that KRudd/Gillard were responsible spenders and that Howard splurged is ludicrous at the least.

And there are countless figures, graphs, reports to confirm it.

And yet IMF would disagree with your apparently countless figures, graphs and reports.

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2013/wp1305.pdf

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/pol...l#ixzz2I5EwR463

Even the AU Treasury agrees.

http://lowpollutionfuture.treasury.gov.au/...ding_growth.pdf

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Brandis has proved to the Australian people that he is completely clueless, and an ignorant fool after this disaster of an interview on Sky News today.

 

George Brandis in 'car crash' interview over controversial data retention regime.

Could have just said "I don't know I'm not good on the tech stuff."

 

Funnily enough "http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/george-brandis-in-car-crash-interview-over-controversial-data-retention-regime-20140806-101849.html" is a complete car crash of an article.

 

When describing that "web addresses" would be captured, it's possible Senator Brands meant to say that the IP addresses of web servers people accessed would be stored.

When a web user visits Google, for instance, the IP address left behind as metadata is 74.125.237.198. When visiting Sky News, it's 101.167.166.43.

But if a law enforcement agency accessed this IP address metadata and put it into a web browser they would then be able to determine that the user went to Google or Sky.

Someone needs to teach Ben Grubb about Virtual Hosts, load balancers, round robin DNS, latency-based routing and GeoDNS.

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Brandis has proved to the Australian people that he is completely clueless, and an ignorant fool after this disaster of an interview on Sky News today.

 

George Brandis in 'car crash' interview over controversial data retention regime.

Could have just said "I don't know I'm not good on the tech stuff."

 

Sure, but then he would have been attacked about not knowing enough about what he was planning to implement. Because it seems that some people don't understand that ministers usually employ advisers for a reason...

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