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This is one of the things I'm curious to see how this Gov. deals with ...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2019-05-23/battle-over-the-future-of-prime-australian-agricultural-land/11140144

 

it's about prime farming land ( you know land that still gets good annual rain fall, you know that stuff that keeps crops and animals alive ) being bought up by foreign companies that want to put well, solar panels on one area

" 9 kilometres of her fence line, blanketing 1,300 hectares of agricultural land with 1 million solar panels — " << that lot goes in next door to one of the complainants in the article. Hell's Bells !

 

The article is titled " Food or Energy " ... maybe if people eat less they won't have the energy to be so stupid :\

 

So because Aus. is seen as such a sunny place we can forgo our food to make money on solar grids ... we can import all our food from countries with health regulations we don't control ... I mean it's not like we don't eat lots of foreign shit now really is it ...

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It’s not like we don’t have plenty of area that is no good for anything much and barely ever gets rained on...

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RBA indicates they were going lower interest rates because the economy isn't as strong as they thought it should be.

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4 hours ago, eveln said:

prime farming land ( you know land that still gets good annual rain fall, you know that stuff that keeps crops and animals alive ) being bought up by foreign companies that want to put well, solar panels on one area

 

Easy. They continue to do nothing about climate change, and it stops being arable in a decade anyway. No more conflict!

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12 hours ago, Leonid said:

 

Representation within party of government or representation by political novice outside of government?

 

I get you don’t like Abbott but Stegall didn’t win because she’s awesome - she won because Abbott was a wrecker who took down their darling Turnbull.

 

If Abbott has resigned 8mo ago in favour of a Dave Sharma type, you reckon she’d have had a chance?

 

 

the deal wasn't about getting someone within or outside of the party of government; it was having representation of the prevailing sentiment of the electorate - parties might "win" government, but in a less bullshit world, and with the luxury of comfortable life in warringah, australians vote for a representative and not just a party - as long as that representative is essentially an ersatz party member

 

the vote wasn't because the locals revere turnbull - wentworth is a suburb of eastern suburb wankers who live on the wrong side of the bridge as viewed across the water from the insular peninsula

 

abbott was locally despised because he is a petulant loser, but moreso because in the 25 years we've been stuck with him, he has represented himself and not the electorate, and the punters in nominally liberal safe seats will effectively vote for self interest, which wasn't what interested him (by that i mean their self interest rather than his)

 

tony is too narcissistic to even see that view - to him it was a vendetta, rather than simple domestic cleaning

 

 

steggall isn't awesome; she's just an unendorsed liberal

 

if she does what she suggests she will - side with the libs on all but environment - she'll be back for more; hell, apart from their inability to accept outside suggestion, they should consider co-opting her as the local rep, because there's not a lot of other high profile liberal types in the electorate - abbott has repelled competition like a roach bomb

 

phelps is as self promoting as abbott, having seen her as a medico in the ama and sydney council, where her falling out with clover moore over not getting her expected role as anointed next mayor says a lot; sharma is a cleanskin liberal rep, and a good jew into the bargain (unlike phelps, who only later converted  ? so she could marry her partner )- wentworth like one of the chosen people in their seat, which i would guess encompasses more jews in a single electorate than any other federal seat

 

 

if abbott had resigned, i'd be fucking amazed - don't you know he's "a fighter, not a quitter" - even when the empty chair polled alarmingly presciently about his current popularity, he still didn't get it

 

 

 

 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Cybes said:

 

Easy. They continue to do nothing about climate change, and it stops being arable in a decade anyway. No more conflict!

Sure. Or you know we could sell space that's not good for crops and shit.

 

Either way, we' ll all likely cark it from something we've been calmly imbibing along with all the imported food we've happily paid for, due to arable land being used for energy of the non food variety

 

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1 hour ago, Cybes said:

 

Easy. They continue to do nothing about climate change, and it stops being arable in a decade anyway. No more conflict!

 

It turns out prime farming land has lots of minerals under it, and in some cases mining companies end up buying the land ... wrecking it's farming potential. The minerals make the land prime, and makes it a target for miners. it's why volcanic soil is so good for growing stuff (ignoring the threat of being turned into toast when the local volcano explodes).

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4 hours ago, scruffy1 said:

sharma is a cleanskin liberal rep, and a good jew into the bargain 

 

I’ll answer the rest later but Sharma is not a Jew.

 

His dad’s Indian, his mum’s Aussie.

 

His name is not Dave or David, it’s Devanand.

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IMO a strategic move by Plibs to not contest.  In fact probably a strategic move by Labor to make it a 1 horse race in the public's eye.

 

History sees especially them having a succession of opposition leaders shoot themselves in the foot, so why not retain your credibility for 2.5 years then mount a challenge then if the other guy turns out to be a schmuck.

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1 hour ago, Leonid said:

 

I’ll answer the rest later but Sharma is not a Jew.

 

His dad’s Indian, his mum’s Aussie.

 

His name is not Dave or David, it’s Devanand.

 

 

and he's a canadian by birth, having a bit more of a google

 

my apologies - his time in israel, his views on where to place an australian embassy, and most of all... that nose... made me think he was a forby  -  i know, because i have a not dissimilar hooter, and was not infrequently thought to be jewish by the local clientele when i used to work at st vincents - a combination of chutzpah and looks, plus a readiness to offer an opinion made that quite plausible... i take it as a compliment, so i don't doubt dazza (as scomo might well call him) won't mind that i though him to be so

 

his pedigree is certainly far more attractive than phelps in terms of doing altusitic things

 

if i were a local over there, he's get my preference ahead of kerryn, who is more a wannabe media player than a luminary, although she gets a nod for giving stick to michael wooldrige, the talentless minister for health (who was later disgraced for business shenanigans)

i scorn him most for the complete fuck up he engineered in making mri availability haphazard and complicated

 

her belief that general practice is "a specialty", and her love of the racgp are points against her - i'm happy to be a generalist, and proud of not needing to try and pump up to be considered a partialist (specialists would be better referred to as such, since they are only proficient with a part of a patient)

 

i'm looking forward to your take on tony abbott's position and demise

 

 

 

 

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He has extremely wide support in the Jewish community and not just because of his stance on the embassy.

 

Indians endured 800 years of Muslim rule, have a similar problem to Israel at their borders (Muslim state-backed terrorists), a border dispute that the intl. community won’t let them solve in the way we all know it should be solved (like seriously, who the fuck would let his worst enemy be occupied by Pakistan, world’s largest producer of rectums?)

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i accept that he looks a far better future leader than the labor party is currently considering

 

pity that the pool of talent on both sides is shallow and tepid

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2 hours ago, Rybags said:

IMO a strategic move by Plibs to not contest.  In fact probably a strategic move by Labor to make it a 1 horse race in the public's eye.

 

History sees especially them having a succession of opposition leaders shoot themselves in the foot, so why not retain your credibility for 2.5 years then mount a challenge then if the other guy turns out to be a schmuck.

I'm coming to the conclusion that Tanya should've been next Leader, or she should have staid for the contest. Even though my thoughts right up until now have been for Albanese to have his go, I've been somewhat put off by the smooth running of his path this time.

Dazed to see Bowen back out like he's done too. If the Party thought Albanese was not a sure win against Bowen then perhaps Albanese shouldn't be the next leader.

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i think the realisation is that bowen isn't popular with the voters, even if the labor right love him

 

personally i thought his work at telling people to vote against policy they don't like was refreshing, if suicidal...  and it came across as condescension - which it was, given he acted like they couldn't lose

 

my immediate impression on visage alone is that albo is like a labor scomo, sans hat, but with a much less contrived grin

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yes, but Albanese is being handed the leadership on a plate this time . I'm not sure that's quite a mentally healthy state for a Leader of a Party to be there with.

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I agree with @Rybags in that it looks strategic. Rather than be dragged through the dirt over Labor not providing an opposition leader for months, they make it a one horse race and get someone in without all the voting process.

 

Pick the most popular candidate and have a quick word in the ear of anyone else who tries to run against him. 

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There’s method to the madness.

There’s a reason why a right-wing leader banned guns, and a left-wing leader floated the dollar.

People tend to listen to leaders that are close to their ideology.

 

Shorten was of the Right who tacked left. That was a disaster. Almost every poor electorate had a higher Libs vote and only the rich electorates recorded small swings to Labor.

 

Labor needs to rack right. And it needs to convince its left wing base that it needs to do so. Albo will be the leftie that takes Labor rightwards.

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Shorten is just a salesman. Ready to sell, whatever . It's just he didn't have that ring of truth ... must not a used Mcleans me thinks. ... or was it Colgate ?

 

As for Albanese, well we'll see I guess. He's only human .

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15 hours ago, scruffy1 said:

i think the realisation is that bowen isn't popular with the voters, even if the labor right love him

 

personally i thought his work at telling people to vote against policy they don't like was refreshing, if suicidal...  and it came across as condescension - which it was, given he acted like they couldn't lose

 

my immediate impression on visage alone is that albo is like a labor scomo, sans hat, but with a much less contrived grin

 

Personally, I don't give a shit about either of them.  I, personally, just want our nation to have a leader that for all too long now we have bereft of.  Someone I can sort of semi-respect.  I can't name a PM after Howard that I would've gladly voted for, not that I am Lib/Labor leaning voter.  I vote for what's best for our nation and what I have seen in the past decade or more has been lacking in leadership and vision.  With regards to the Albo, and ScoMo in particular, I'm giving them the benefit of doubt.  That's why I agree with Leo on certain issues.  I may not like his views on renewables and so on but I have no other solutions for that issue that I can come up with other than the extremes that we, as a nation, have come up with.  Plus, while all this in-fighting is happening, we people are the ones who are suffering whether it is through emissions or the cost of electricity.

 

I do, however, have a wish.  I wish I could sew the lips of Mitch Fifield shut so that he can stop saying those words that I hate so much. "WE have a national network fit for purpose."  End.

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4 hours ago, strifus said:

 

Personally, I don't give a shit about either of them.  I, personally, just want our nation to have a leader that for all too long now we have bereft of.  Someone I can sort of semi-respect.  I can't name a PM after Howard that I would've gladly voted for, not that I am Lib/Labor leaning voter.  I vote for what's best for our nation and what I have seen in the past decade or more has been lacking in leadership and vision.  With regards to the Albo, and ScoMo in particular, I'm giving them the benefit of doubt.  That's why I agree with Leo on certain issues.  I may not like his views on renewables and so on but I have no other solutions for that issue that I can come up with other than the extremes that we, as a nation, have come up with.  Plus, while all this in-fighting is happening, we people are the ones who are suffering whether it is through emissions or the cost of electricity.

 

I do, however, have a wish.  I wish I could sew the lips of Mitch Fifield shut so that he can stop saying those words that I hate so much. "WE have a national network fit for purpose."  End.

 

i can't name a pm howard that i would have gladly voted for

 

i confess i really enjoyed keating in the hotseat, if only because he knows how to rip the opposition a new one

 

both major parties are meh, really

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I don't disagree scruffy.

 

Keating had his idiosyncrasies but in the end he knew what he was doing, went after it, succeeded and was kicked out for his pains.

 

Hawke was also very good, his only real mistake was staying a little too long and forcing Keating to oust him. He as good as admitted that years after the fact.

 

Whether they were the best of leaders, that's always difficult to determine but they had balls and a vision for Australia,, What we have had since has been Milquetoast by comparison, that opinionated prat Howard included.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

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What bothers me is that laws/policies are starting to creep in that could affect all of us at some point in the future.  For example, the VLAD law of QLD or the deportation of Kiwis from our shores.  I am not going to go into the nuts and bolts but suffice to say those laws/policies aren't quite social and not to mention undemocratic.  How long will it be before the governments use those laws against us?  Not so I hear you say?  I thought so too until I found out that there was this group of 5 people who got charged under the VLAD laws, for growing marijuana.  When do 5 people, growing marijuana, constitute a lawless association?  And what about the Kiwi guy who got deported for nothing more than being part of a bike gang?  He committed no crime, he had no rap shit to speak of.  He was an army veteran no less.  On that basis, when it isn't illegal to be in a bikie gang in WA, he was detained for almost 5 months without a trial, therefore suspension of habeas corpus.  I mean, I would rather keep this guy than some of the teenagers that are running around my area.  

 

Truth be told, it keeps me up at night.  It makes me worried for myself and my family that a government, our government, can do something like this without so much peep from us and think they can get away with it.  We didn't vote for this.

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Law can indeed become a creeping malaise strifus where the intent of the law is suborned to fit the  agenda of others with prejudices that are contrary to the will of the majority.

 

"They" get away with it because we let them get away with it, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance etc but the fifth estate has tended to be more interested in silly society garbage of late.

 

The only way is to object and fortunately with social media anyone can have a say and make it be heard.

 

Cheers

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By fifth estate you mean the fifth column, right?

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