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Low IQ is always doing the right thing relative to an ideology.

 

High IQ is always doing the least worst thing.

 

As in getting rid of all coal power in favour of solar is Low IQ. Even if some woke snowflakes on twitter give you a day’s kudos.

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Coal needs to go Leo, long-term that is the general consensus.

 

We do however seem to have jumped the gun in the case of Port Augusta, that thermal power station would be proven technology, not photovoltaic conversion it was to have used mirrors to focus sunlight to melt salt. The salt then would generate steam.

 

It's a closed cycle technology, to generate pretty much continuous power. needs to be in a pretty sunny place, which PA certainly qualifies as.

 

Officially the American company has pulled the plug through being unable to raise the $650M capital needed but the Government is still hopeful it will get over the line.

 

I hope so, or another of the Iron Triangle cities will be on life support, Whyalla has been in that state for years and the third city, Port Pirie, relies on smelters that are getting old.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, chrisg said:

Coal needs to go Leo, long-term that is the general consensus.

 

No it doesn’t.

Most coal needs to go but the suggestion that we deploy nuke plants in Somalia is ridiculous. And solar plants? Somalis can’t maintain their own shoes due to raids by other Somali barbarians and you wanna put solar plants there?

 

Come on now.

 

The earth has carbon sinks. Our job is to emit less carbon than yearly sink replenishment capacity. Anything we do that brings sink utilisation to less than 100% begins the slow process of reversing climate change.

 

But the argument to “get off coal” is low-IQ bullshit.

 

Lastly, on the numbers back in the 70s the world faced a real crisis of how we were going to feed ourselves. The solution wasn’t to stop eating or for a mass cull (though some still call for this and I volunteer anarchic participatory democracistas as the first wave to increase global IQ and lower disproportional welfare spending). The solution was to use technological adaptation.

 

Global Climate Change is 95% a China problem. An additional 4% is India and the remainder is the rest of the world.

 

Unless someone has an idea for how to tell China that they can’t keep lifting their people out of poverty - climate change will keep happening.

 

We need a technology solution.

 

No amount of yabbering on about coal, saving children, climate strikes, returns to marxism or poetic odes to simultaneously drowning and boiling polar bears - changes this self-evident fact unless you are truly utterly brain dead or spend your time absorbing ABC propaganda. But I repeat myself.

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11 minutes ago, scruffy1 said:

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For the sake of accuracy, guy on the left should be Chinese, holding a gushing tap and yelling at the guy on the right that it’s his fault the water level is rising.

 

Thats where we’re at.

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8 hours ago, Leonid said:

 

Unless someone has an idea for how to tell China that they can’t keep lifting their people out of poverty -

An army cannot work (fight) on an empty stomach Leonid. That's where the Germans and Russians get it wrong every time.

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9 hours ago, Leonid said:

 

For the sake of accuracy, guy on the left should be Chinese, holding a gushing tap and yelling at the guy on the right that it’s his fault the water level is rising.

 

Thats where we’re at.

 

when you finally notice you're drowning, it will be of little consolation to worry who is responsible for the plumbing issues

 

but yeah, it's not my tap

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🙂

 

Always with the extremism.

 

What Somalia does is of little concern to anyone, their power needs are close to nil anyway. My concern is  with nations like ourselves, and of course China to stop burning fossil fuel, then as you quite rightly say the carbon sinks will be more than able to cope.

 

To be fair on China they are doing what they can, Three Gorges dam project, whilst controversial in its own right, being an example and they have massive plans for increased nuclear output - that's somewhat scary actually another Chernobyl/Fukushima we do not need.

 

But the more that can be renewable the better, and nuclear is not in any way renewable, the amount of waste that their plans will generate will lead to another problem needing attention.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

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Not really surprising, we've been there enough times before.

 

The straits are international waters, Iran seems to think it can control them, it needs a reminder that it cannot.

 

The combination of a P-8 with its highly capable sensors and our smaller but very capable destroyers is the ideal foil to their aerial and sea assets.

 

Ironically it is precisely the flexible response that they will find the most difficult to deal with. A big carrier group is all very well but it's very much big -stick with most of the group actually designated to protect the flattop. Sure the E2s etc on board are great mini AWACS, the Americans presumably have at least one probably more E-3s in-theatre but the addition of specialised maritime surveillance never hurts.

 

The problem is that most of the assets in a carrier group are either unable to roam freely or are more designed for strike or protection than being able to respond quickly to the sort of assets Iran is fielding when they are directed not against the carrier but against tankers passing through the straits.

 

The conundrum is that unless the USN significantly beefs up the groups centered on Washington and Independence, which it does appear that they are doing, most of the group vessels are tasked to protect the carriers and if they detach to chase after the not-so harmless Iranian speedboats they risk exposing the carrier to attack.

 

Having a couple of free-roaming assets, UK and Oz, able to chase down the speedboats puts things back in favor of the task force to keep the tankers protected.

 

Unfortunately all those shiny F-18s are not much use unless used to actually attack Iran, all they can do is provide CAP capability, I rather doubt the Iranians would even think about attempting an air attack on either carrier let alone both.

 

The latest reports from the U.S. says they are indeed beefing up the fifth fleet but whether they will give the extra assets free-rein or not depends upon how concerned the Admiral is about attack on his carriers. A prudent leader would probably split the difference and increase the carrier screen but let loose some of the arriving flexible assets.

 

I don't know who is in charge there at the moment so can't comment 🙂

 

Regardless we can bat way above our weight by virtue of being part of the alliance as support not suborned to protect carriers that should be well capable of looking after themselves.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, scruffy1 said:

when you finally notice you're drowning, it will be of little consolation to worry who is responsible for the plumbing issues

 

Yeah but if you're the idiot trying to scoop water out of the tub with a thimble while letting the guy with the gushing tap keep going, there's little consolation for the rest of us as to the Low-IQ levels of those who claim to be fixing things.

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🙂

 

It's a very contrary stance you are taking Leo - on the one hand you seem not to want whole nations to go under water, which is the reality of climate change, on the other you still advocate coal.

 

I confess I have little to no faith in political solutions but I do have in technological ones.

 

China is also running pilots on Thorium cycle, that may well surprise us, and them, considerably.

 

I've been going over and back through the schemas for months - don't regard myself as an expert but yet to find any flaw in the rationale for moving to Thorium.

 

For my sins I do know a lot about nuclear power generation, it has never made much sense to me, essentially taming a bomb, a dirty one if it goes wrong, as it did at Chernobyl.

 

Thorium is completely different and if cold fusion does not get real is our best bet for the foreseeable future.

 

Time is the issue if we make a decision to go thorium, you cannot turn it on overnight and we are getting short of time.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, chrisg said:

It's a very contrary stance you are taking Leo - on the one hand you seem not to want whole nations to go under water, which is the reality of climate change, on the other you still advocate coal.

 

I want us to stop wasting time using small thimbles to get water out of a bath while China has an open fire hydrant into it. It's useless Low IQ time-wasting.

 

I don't advocate coal. In the same way as I don't advocate alcohol.

 

IE, just as I'm ok with you having a beer and getting into a car, but not ok with you downing a bottle of vodka and getting into the car - likewise I'm ok with the odd coal station where it makes sense, but not all coal.

 

That's not even High-IQ stuff. That's "barely-above-retard-levels"-IQ.

 

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Yes,

 

But there is a conundrum that only time will change and possibly not in time.

 

China is pumping out cheap goods, even of ok quality these days and the whole globe are lapping them up.

 

So China produces more,  and therefore generates more pollution.

 

The only way to turn the tap off is to stop buying - good luck on stopping that in our have-it-all society.

 

The only way is too attack it at the core and have China change the way it feeds those ravenous factories - some Chinese understand that, most, as with near all of us, have far shorter horizons.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

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I’m not saying I have a solution to the China problem.

 

I just think we’ve wasted 20 years getting water out of a rapidly filling bathtub with thimbles while China’s emptying a fire hydrant into it.

 

Maybe we need 100,000 fucken huge CO2 extractors spread planet wide to eat CO2 out of the atmosphere. I dunno. NFI.

 

But either China starts reversing coal use at the same breakneck speed as it is increasing coal use, or we adapt. There are no other real viable solutions.

 

Those Atomicans unlucky enough to live in South Australia, your government made you suffer through blackouts and the highest electricity prices in the oecd for absolutely nothing.

 

SA’s shutting down of all coal power in the state and impact on climate change was roughly equivalent to the “Mission Accomplished” banner in April 2003 as Bush delivered a “victory in Iraq” speech.

 

Every time I hear these muppets talk about how Australia needs to be zero coal by [insert random year] I just wonder whether our media select people on the basis of how aggravated their attention deficit disorder is?

 

Like I know I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed. But I swear that if you would take the warning labels everything pedestrian, they wouldn’t last 24hrs.

 

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On 8/21/2019 at 9:44 PM, Leonid said:

I’m not saying I have a solution to the China problem.

 

I just think we’ve wasted 20 years getting water out of a rapidly filling bathtub with thimbles while China’s emptying a fire hydrant into it.

 

Maybe we need 100,000 fucken huge CO2 extractors spread planet wide to eat CO2 out of the atmosphere. I dunno. NFI.

 

But either China starts reversing coal use at the same breakneck speed as it is increasing coal use, or we adapt. There are no other real viable solutions.

 

 

I totally agree, probably China in a way does as well but we've sewn the wind and are reaping the whirlwind in breakneck consumerism.

 

It might well not be so stupid as to start building those CO2 scrubbers....

 

Cheers

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What's the breakdown of China's new energy capacity coming onboard?

How much of that can be fuelled domestically for them?

 

Like, I wonder if there's an element of energy security in their choice.

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1 hour ago, chrisg said:

I totally agree, probably China in a way does as well but we've sewn the wind and are reaping the whirlwind in breakneck consumerism.

 

It might well not be so stupid as to start building those CO2 scrubbers....

 

Cheers

 

We have CO2 scrubbers, they are called "trees". Oh yes, we're chopping those down like no tomorrow ...

Edited by Jeruselem

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I would think it extremely difficult if not impossible to calculate any meaningful curve of increasing energy demand by China - there are simply too many players and too many options.

 

Indeed we do have CO2 scrubbers called trees J and this week they have been being burned at a horrendous rate in the Amazon.

 

Sometimes I really do wonder if the human race is  not just intent upon its own destruction...

 

Cheers

 

 

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5 hours ago, chrisg said:

and this week they have been being burned at a horrendous rate in the Amazon.

crikey but I hope that someones are going in to help quell them whilst the pollies try to lay blame

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...The "pollies" are saying it is business as usual thus far Ev--- The current leader of Brazil is a climate  change denier....

 

It takes around 40 years to grow a typical rain forest tree until it joins the canopy, and around 10 minutes to reduce it to ash  -  not a very comforting equation.

 

Cheers

 

 

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16 minutes ago, eveln said:

crikey but I hope that someones are going in to help quell them whilst the pollies try to lay blame

As in the President blaming the fires on greenies who are just trying to make him look bad?

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1 minute ago, Nich... said:

As in the President blaming the fires on greenies who are just trying to make him look bad?

I don't know. I was at work, A quick look showed the guy blaming someones, no idea who ... I just hope someone elses are getting in there to help put them out

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