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I didn't realise i was answering it for what a casual observer might want.

Sorry. I just felt that "more control" should be better quantified. When nerds wax lyrical about Android, the trope "more control" usually get thrown about without much consideration for what it actually means or enables you to accomplish.

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Which part? The terms are very exact, practically nothing is in 'tech speak' beyond what it needs to be.

 

Copy and paste the bits that need clarification and I'll do what I can :)

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Go the air 2. Brilliant device. I also have a mini first gen, but use it rarely. The air is so thin and light, it's just as easy to slip into a bag and carry about. Much prefer the larger screen, even for reading.

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Go the air 2. Brilliant device. I also have a mini first gen, but use it rarely. The air is so thin and light, it's just as easy to slip into a bag and carry about. Much prefer the larger screen, even for reading.

Thanks, will think about it. It is easier to save up for a mini but if you say so, then I will think about it. Good to get some advice from someone who has experienced it first hand

 

a lot of old webpages use fixed pixel sizes.

Also when running a VM or even MSTSC, it becomes a real issue too.

 

A 'better' screen uses more power and makes the device cost a lot more.

Both scenarios that, above 1080p, are sacrifices I wont make for an arguably 'better' screen in daily use.

 

 

That still suggests that higher resolution intrinsically means smaller UI elements for a given physical display size. That's an archaic holdover from Windows that still uses fixed pixel sizes for a lot of things.

 

There is no arguing that APPLE has the market cornered on 'ease of use', open an app, use it, push the big middle button, done. But I'm far too At0mic to give a crap about 'ease of use' I want 'Maximum Power' and function.

 

As I said, I'm more than able to look at an iPad and see where it's loved, but I have quite the list that hinders my personal appreciation:

 

1. iTunes required.

If I could install this without the additional services I'd be fine. But even if I disable them they complain. As someone who hates 'bloat' on their lean mean system, iTunes offers me nothing that MediaMonkey or Winamp doesnt, besides iOS integration.

At least MediaMonkey can handle all the music on an i-pod\phone\pad

 

2. No SD card slot.

Not for the reason people think. It's not about 'is my tablet big (storage) enough'.

When I carry a laptop, I use an SD card like a USB stick, I find it more convenient. I also have one in my camera, and one in my 3DS, one on my keyring, and one in my phone.

If\Whel it comes time to juggle some data, I'm a big fan of plug, copy, eject.

The most realistic usage scenario for me is with the camera; take a bunch of photos, pop the card out, edit and preview them on the big tablet.

I know the iPad has a 'camera kit' now, but for my personal use, its just another thing I have to buy, and carry.

 

3. No custom ROMS

This isnt going to be a deal for many people. But I love overclocking, undervolting, and tweaking.

The fact that my tablet runs 50mhz faster than stock across each step, at 0.1v LESS across each step, makes me feel bad-ass.

Just depends how loud the tweaker within is :P

I also Dual Boot UBUNTU with it.

 

4. Codecs.

I like to be able to play any file I have with VLC or other apps, this might have changed, but last I checked iPad only did what iTunes supports.

no?

 

5. Price.

Lets face it, buying something like a CUBE u30GT is $100.

It's a Dual core 1.5Ghz, with a Quad core MALI 400 GPU, 1080pIPS screen, and to this day laughs at anything I throw at it. Perfectly stable, everything works, battery life is huge.

iPad feels sturdier, but I have a really reeeeaaallllyy big problem with carrying expensive gear, it makes me 'enjoy life' less.

If I break my u30gt (which I have before) I'm annoyed, and ordered another.

If I break a $300+ ipad, I'd be pretty pissed right off the bat.

 

 

 

 

iPads win a lot of customers, as explained, because they 'just work', but honestly, these days they all do.

They all have an HTML5 web browser, they all have an acceptable app store (windows is smaller, but still functional), they all look at pictures and movies.

iPads have the nicer screen. Android has FLASH player for older sites.

 

The reason I advocate ANDROID, despite being distrustful of google as a whole, is because for the typical usage scenario, $100 buys what apple asks $300 for; and for my 1/3rd cost, I get a lot more 'geek factor' to play with, along with the same basics all the tablet players can do.

Also, with no SD card slot, and the itunes requirement, apple devices end up paperweights for me personally, very quickly. This clearly wont apply to everyone.

 

 

That still suggests that higher resolution intrinsically means smaller UI elements for a given physical display size. That's an archaic holdover from Windows that still uses fixed pixel sizes for a lot of things.

 

They are the things I understand.

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Then you've gotten all the important bits.

Trying to speak un-bias'd:

 

the iOS\iPad advocates up there are explaining the pros; well developed, looks\feels sleek or small, iOS improvements are seemingly 'good', big app integration.

The Android people are saying: More options (different OS, 'unsigned' apps from anyone, etc), SD card slot, and price.

 

 

PERSONALLY i'd argue that apples 'pros' can be found on an android device too if you just go try them in person, but to each their own.

 

The rest of it was just nit picking about what 'advantages' of each platform are really advantages. Like, I have a x1200p 27" LCD screen... I dont need more than 1080p on an 8" device; at 3.375 times the pixel density of my 1080p, thats almost a '4k' screen as far as ppi (pixels per inch) goes... I just dont want or need more.

BUT some people can tell, and do want this.

 

Really, you need to spend some time with each system; just because you've used an iPad, and like it, isn't (to me) enough of a reason to spend $300-$500 dollars on something I dont NEED.

 

If I want to flick angry birds around, play some shooters, surf the net, watch flash animations, manage my photos, and listen to streaming music\youtube.

I have a $100 android tablet that can do that. I PERSONALLY couldn't justify more.

 

LOTS of people can, and will, justify more. This is coming down to preference\opinion, since they both 'work'.

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Ok. You have some very good points there...I just realised that I wrote understand instead of not understand, sorry...

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Master scythe is correct, it is indeed all about personal preference. I upgrade my tablet every year and before doing so, always check all options available but still end up buying ipad, without hesitation, simply because I like the look, feel and functionality of it. Best advice ... try them all, spend an hour in the store playing around with it, then buy the one you like best :)

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Master scythe is correct, it is indeed all about personal preference. I upgrade my tablet every year and before doing so, always check all options available but still end up buying ipad, without hesitation, simply because I like the look, feel and functionality of it. Best advice ... try them all, spend an hour in the store playing around with it, then buy the one you like best :)

Ok. Thanks, that means there is some saving to do :P but that is the best advice I have gotten thanks :) no offence to scythe.

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Lol, how could i take offence? :P

 

NightOwl is using the 'follow your heart' metaphor, and I'm using the 'features I convince myself I'll need later' approach.

 

Both great, and flawed, in their own ways. :)

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Lol, how could i take offence? :P

 

NightOwl is using the 'follow your heart' metaphor, and I'm using the 'features I convince myself I'll need later' approach.

 

Both great, and flawed, in their own ways. :)

Lol ... I'm actually a deadly practical person. Head always rules over heart. My requirements are different, is all .... :)

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I only ask because Ipads are usually only useful in a business environment, otherwise the end up being toys.

android tabs, and even surfaces are real 'geek tools' no matter what,and are also useful in a business environment.

 

 

 

It's statements like this that pretty much mean I can never take you seriously anymore Master_Scythe.

 

My Samsung galaxy 7.7 has been relegated to a (ridiculously expensive) media player for my 3 year old. The iPads in the house are generally fought over - even the older iPad mini (original).

 

Multi usage case:

 

On my recent trip to Iceland, I had my iPad air and bought a Logitech bluetooth keyboard as long typing on any tablet I have used has been shit. I also panicked and brought along my notebook in the event I needed to remote in for support in case the guy who was looking after things got stuck.

 

Videos on the plane, games along with a diary app and VNC, TeamViewer, RDP client, VPN ... everything was handled on my iPad. I really regret having taken the notebook with the extra weight now.

 

I also had my DSLR which has wireless built in. This was perfect for downloading the JPG images (my 64GB iPad really had some space issues so backing up RAW was not possible in this case) and doing some quick editing and Facebook updates for those playing along at home. I did do some backups to the notebook considering I had it (although I am eyeing off a WD wireless drive which now sports an SD card slot for automated backups and streams to iOS and Android for 6 hours with an inbuilt battery). Mobile hard drives do make extending media storage handy. I had a 16GB Kingston for a while which served video for the kids when in the back seat and meant I could just throw them onto the device without having to sync and worry about the limited storage on the devices they had back then.

 

In terms of what I would recommend if you want to go iPad.

 

Don't go the 16GB version of an iPad. You will run out of space faster than you think. I am pissed that Apple have consciously gotten rid of a 32GB model but getting pissed isn't going to change your options.

 

I do have the LTE model and it works great. My wife has the wifi only model. I would say if you are happy to tether, stick with the wifi model and save some $$.

 

As for mini vs Air 2, the Air 2 will give you a "technically" better iPad. The guts of the mini 3 are pretty much the same as the mini 2 with the exception of touch ID and the ability to use it to pay for things when Apple get their AU bank deals inked. I personally wouldn't pay for things with my iPad so I guess it's worth considering if the smaller footprint is more important to you and do the other things matter as you could possibly still pick up the mini 2 for cheaper (and find a 32GB model). You are getting the same speed device.

 

I like the bigger real estate on the Air though. I like the ability to see and edit photos where my brother's mini2 always seemed a little cramped for that. The fact that it has actually taken the place of my mobile needs over the notebook has shown me how far it's come but honestly, you need to make your own decision.

 

My usage case will be different from yours and is obviously totally different from Master_Scythe's. I personally never met an Android device I liked. I haven't played with a surface 3 yet but the windows tablets I have played with left me wanting.

 

One of the things that should be considered is that I, unlike Sythe, have no desire to hack. I have *nix systems, or raspberry pis that satisfy that side of my personality. I like a device that generally works as advertised and I like the fact that I get updates when they are available. For that last point alone I would most likely suggest the Air 2 as you are getting the latest in hardware which in Apple terms generally means the longest support option. Touch ID is nice when dealing with password managers, dropbox integration etc ... which does add an extra level of security and ease of access.

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My only bit of advice is that 16GB may be just a wee bit too small, especially if you plan on playing games on it - once you account for the space taken up by the operating system, you'll have about 11 or 12GB of storage left. This may well be enough for you, but given the size of some games for iOS it may not be, especially when factoring in any other content like movies. I'd have a look through the App Store for games that you're interested in playing, and check their size - games like Real Racing 3 or Vice City can take up around 1GB each, which is a fair chunk out of 12GB, where as games like Angry Birds or Hay Day take up very little space.

 

P.s. Apple are still selling the iPad Mini 2, which comes as a 32GB model in either Wifi or Wifi and Cellular. Given the only differences between the Mini 2 and Mini 3 are the TouchID sensor and the gold colour option, this may be a smarter alternative if you want to go for the smaller size.

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I only ask because Ipads are usually only useful in a business environment, otherwise the end up being toys.

android tabs, and even surfaces are real 'geek tools' no matter what,and are also useful in a business environment.

 

 

 

It's statements like this that pretty much mean I can never take you seriously anymore Master_Scythe.

 

 

Lol, really? So things like different workplace use of technology are one of the reasons you can never take me seriously? Pretty judgemental, and deliberately inflammatory statement to make; but your'e welcome to make it.

At least as a jester I'm entertaining, or endlessly infuriating. Either one makes me smile :)

 

It comes off as very fanboi. To dislike that someone has a different 'usual experience' to your own 'usual experience', and then make negative comments toward them? I can only assume its driven by the product.

 

 

 

But yes, to reiterate my point; in a workplace I find iPads are great tools.

They integrate with Exchange flawlessly, they fully support wpad files for advanced proxy configuration, their wireless performance is pretty top notch, and with a Mac Server, managing apps has never been easier.

 

Meanwhile whenever I have brought my iPad home from work, or been to someone's house who also owns one, it's usually got games being played, or facebook open. Only one have I experienced someone typing an assignment on them.

That's the grand total of my experience with them outside the office.

 

Things I didn't manage to do with the iPad, which my Android tablet did well were pretty crucial in my eyes.

-I couldnt find a way to map the ipads internal storage to an SMB share; crucial with the way my networks set up. [i had movies on it! my smart TV couldnt see them :(]

-During a blackout, I couldn't find a way to transfer from a USB stick to the device. tried a 'Camera Kit' but it didnt want to recognise the stick, it was in ExFAT, apple started supporting this last year AFAIK

-I then had one hell of a time sending the file to the iPad via Bluetooth... couldn't quite work it out. We're up to revision 4.0 of the bluetooth stack, this shouldn't be this hard :(

-I couldn't find a single (even paid!) app for torrenting on ipad. I even installed OPERA but the torrent client seems to be stripped in the iOS release?

-My partner at the time couldn't find a way to decrease the 'touch area'. She's an artist and had a fine tip stylus that worked fine, but seemed to be a way larger 'touch' than the tip.

-Couldn't figure out how to load FLASH content. I know apple 'dont support it' but there's open source alternatives out there, and you'd think SOME app developer would have by now.

-Couldn't figure out a decent 'phone app' I had a mic\headset combo, and a simcard in the device, but couldn't load any sort of dialler.

 

Basically every use I have for a tablet each night (low power overnight transfer PC, interactive NAS, art tablet, PC replacement over HDMI, somewhere to play Flash games, spare phone) couldn't be accomplished (or if it could, I had a hard time figuring how).

Meanwhile, my android tablet did most of it out of the box, and anything else was taken care of with free apps that were first hits on google.

Hell, even easier than Android was my BBOS10 phone

 

People clearly have different expectations. to me, it (the ipad) is a bloody powerful ARM computer, all on it's own, but it feels very restricted.

Almost like a PDA of days gone by. It almost feels like it expects you to own a PC ( or, more so a MAC) to use it to its full potential.

 

I can admit, its possible, and even likely, that the iPad can do all my 'usual nightly tasks' and I just haven't been exposed to the iPads ecosystem long enough to figure it out....

 

But with the fringe example of wanting flash in a modern web environment; most of my stuff is pretty basic for any android, surface, BB10, or even Symbian device (meego, in its current form, my NUC runs it). The iPad was more frustrating than useful at home.

 

Though, to be fair, its an iPad2, so perhaps the newer ones are more feature rich.

 

At work the next day, it 'syncs' over wifi with the mac server, and bypasses the filtering on the proxy server like it should, lets me RDP into all my servers and workstations as I travel the grounds, and handles mail flawlessly, jumps between wifi hotspots seamlessly, and battery lasts all day! it's a godsend.

None of the features I need, nor even want, when I'm at home.

 

Different strokes man, if we all agreed, it'd be one hell of a boring forum.

 

I would though, be genuinely curious to see stats on the number of people who predominantly use an ipad for casual games, and facebook. I personally think it'd be significant.

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Interesting. The fact that ipad doesn't support flash is one of the things I like about it. Flash is the scourge of the net in my opinion and is disabled on my laptop as well. Im one of those persons using iPad almost exclusively and now that ms office apps are available for iOS, the laptop rarely gets used at all..... and the only reason I use ms is because it's standard at work. Give me Pages over Word any day. I'm not a huge gamer, don't do a lot of web browsing and I find cloud storage leagues more convenient than usb storage. It's brilliant in a business environment and still manages a staggering battery life. It collects mail for any type of service, even those that Outlook refuses to sync with. Don't care much for torrents, but I know people who use iPad for this, so it's obviously possible.

 

I stopped short of saying the iPad is the better device before, but what the heck .... iPad is the better device, lol.

 

Although, if you're comparing modern android devices with a 2nd gen iPad, that's hardly a fair comparison. My old 2 is relegated to my sisters 4yo, to feed her Dora and Frozen app habit and I wouldn't even attempt to run ios8 on it.

 

Seems to me you may be a little out of touch with iOS. Mine happily connects to NAS, any PC, any wireless connection and HDMI without argument. I'm also an artist and use iPad and a good stylus for this task. I've created house plans and designed a proposed extension. I use it for VoIP, using an app that supports headsets. Siri works better than any dedicated GPS I've tried. Siri also reads out my mail, responds to messages, reads me stories, reminds me of my schedule, does my web browsing for me and tells me when it's going to rain ! There's nothing iPad can't do, that I need it to do.

 

The last time I boot my laptop was during a nostalgic moment, with the intention of loading up an old, old, old game on cd ..... only to discover the battery was flat and power pack not working. A quick browse in the App Store and I found an iOS port of the same game available for purchase ! Win :)

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connecting to a NAS isnt the problem, acting as a NAS when it has the movie files on the device already, was.

I couldnt map the ipad to a network share. a HUGE limitation (for me). but really i was probably doing it wrong.

Though it is on iOS8 i think..... whatever the latest apple allows an ipad2 to go to.

 

Without Flash, all my oldschool flash games wont run. a bunch of streaming game video sites wont either. theres a lot that isnt HTML5 compatible still. an awful lot. Especially when you browse websites that only get probably 10 hits or so a month.

All your chan flash archives, and japanese content is still heavily flash based. Interactive stories, (dare i say?) porn; it all relies on flash player still.


I stopped short of saying the iPad is the better device before, but what the heck .... iPad is the better device, lol.

 

For you ;)

 

a couple of features I (believe) they're still missing. (yes ive used an air and what not, i was in the apple store today getting training on them, ironically).

I dont thinjk they can multi-window\split screen. And I think they still dont get a mouse pointer if you connect a bluetooth mouse.

To me, both huge.

To others, quite possibly a non-event.

 

My $175 Android tablet still benchmarks faster than ipads, and renders 3D when doing CAD work stupidly faster.

 

Personally, I'd argue the best tablet device is any decent ARM tablet with an unlocked boot loader.

Any OS you like. BSD, Unix, Linux, Android, Meego, Firefox. and the list goes on.

 

I also can't open it up easily in a couple of years when the battery gets worn. My electronics have a 5-6 year minimum upkeep.

My last laptop was purchased in 2006 (Athlon64), its getting close to upgrade time. But it's had 3 batteries in its life. Still going strong with 0 lag.

Once again, not many will agree, but the sort of cost any of the major players are asking at the moment, personally makes me expect a significant lifespan.

So far all my tech has held up to my expectations :)

 

Though, I did get an extended session today using FIREFOX OS, which is coming in a close second for me...... very impressive.

Annoyingly, meego has very little traction in english countries (it's what came of Symbian). It's probably the nicest fastest OS i've ever used, just, with very few english apps, its rather useless besides web browsing and the like..... sad really.

 

Please keep in mind, the genuine praise area's I do give the ipad. If 'pick up and go' is your thing, well the ipad is ready to rock! (plus my love of using one at work! None of that was sarcasm)

But I'm on Atomic, not whirlpool, so modding is where it's at :)

 

 

But, if it comes down to 'which ipad do i buy?' After having some sales training at the apple store today; it all came down to: the biggest possible size (storage) of the one you like holding most.

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Apple will allow you to upgrade your 2 to ios8, but don't go there if you wish to maintain your sanity. I upgraded my 2 and backed out immediately because it ran like a dog. V7.12 runs perfectly on the 2.

 

Yeah, see ... mouse pointers and split screens are a non issue for me. Besides, the screen is small enough already, don't want to split the real estate any further. Have to admit I've never compared 3D CAD performance with an android device before. It's not the sort of software generally installed on retail display offering. But I only do it for fun, so it doesn't really matter.

 

Definitely agree on data storage. I've always gone for the largest possible capacity, with absolutely no regrets. So worth the extra dollars.

 

Many people have mentioned the issue of using Apple hardware with an os of choice, but I think it would be sacrificing reliability instead. Apple device " just work" because the software is well tuned to a specific hardware. I know some people love the challenge of debugging software and hardware conflicts in new builds, but quite frankly, I'm over that. I just want to pick up a device and have it work flawlessly every time. I've grown lazy ... :)

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If I was told no modding, use it as you buy it, the only one I think I'd have full use for would be a Surface Pro.

Different strokes for different folks. As I said, I knew I was playing devils advocate suggesting 'others'. My only reason was because a young dude asked 'which was best' and I was concerned he'd only used one device.

It sparked a good discussion, so I'm glad I did it :)

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I only ask because Ipads are usually only useful in a business environment, otherwise the end up being toys.

android tabs, and even surfaces are real 'geek tools' no matter what,and are also useful in a business environment.

 

 

 

It's statements like this that pretty much mean I can never take you seriously anymore Master_Scythe.

 

 

Lol, really? So things like different workplace use of technology are one of the reasons you can never take me seriously? Pretty judgemental, and deliberately inflammatory statement to make; but your'e welcome to make it.

 

 

No, your broad brush narrow POV statements, like the one quoted at the top of this quote tree, are why I can't take you seriously.

 

Of course I judge people on what they type. Kind of hard not to considering it's a forum and that's how we communicate here. As for inflammatory, I have absolutely no power in your feelings about being called out on something I firmly disagree with.

 

I deleted the rest of this post. We have done this dance before Master_Scythe and nothing the last time suggested you could, or would, for one moment consider another point of view.

 

If you want to have a one sided argument perhaps start another thread rather than confuse the OP further and let his question be answered.

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I only ask because Ipads are usually only useful in a business environment, otherwise the end up being toys.

android tabs, and even surfaces are real 'geek tools' no matter what,and are also useful in a business environment.

 

 

 

It's statements like this that pretty much mean I can never take you seriously anymore Master_Scythe.

 

 

Lol, really? So things like different workplace use of technology are one of the reasons you can never take me seriously? Pretty judgemental, and deliberately inflammatory statement to make; but your'e welcome to make it.

 

 

No, your broad brush narrow POV statements, like the one quoted at the top of this quote tree, are why I can't take you seriously.

 

Sorry for having a broad point of view. I find stating it leads to discussions on a topic. Also, people don't have 9 days to read a book on the intricate feelings of a topic when others speak.

Make the statement, if someone disagrees, discuss. Pretty simple stuff really.

 

Of course I judge people on what they type. Kind of hard not to considering it's a forum and that's how we communicate here. As for inflammatory, I have absolutely no power in your feelings about being called out on something I firmly disagree with.

 

 

Makes sense, I just feel it rude to go out of your way to tell someone "I think less of you", but some people are just jerks like that.

 

The rest of what you wrote absolutely changes my opinion not one iota although your employment of the fanboi moniker pretty much cemented my opinion of where you are coming from generally.

 

Yep, I want people to consider every option, even though this is the apple section. Hence why I called your fanboi-ism out.

 

You want a tablet to be a PC. That's fine for you.

 

Absolutely correct. To be more specific, I want my hardware unlocked.

A strong ARM chip with good power management is a great tool, I dislike when things feel crippled.

 

 

As someone who professes to believe in an "each to their own" philosophy I would have thought that you would easily accept and concede that not everyone requires "NAS functionality".

I never suggested they did.

We're discussing personal use cases, and I quite obviously pointed out why I need it (so people understood my 'why', in case they didn't share it).

I'm glad you "would have thought that" because..... I do...... so.... good job!

 

Nothing in the wall of text you wrote even remotely suggests you have at all taken into consideration the OP's question.

 

So, all the pro's and awesome things about iPads that I wrote, where I find them an absolute godsend, don't take into consideration "which iPad should I buy?"..... ok...... umm..... not sure what I SHOULD have written then.

 

 

It's all about you.

What? the part where we begin discussing individual use cases, and our personal experience in the workplace? yes. yes it is.

lol, can you imagine if it wasn't? "My personal opinion is, I'll let the tick tell me what it is... hold on"

 

It feels that on any given opportunity you rant about the perceived inefficiencies of a given platform but until you can actually open your eyes and see what the other half are actually doing with these things and can appreciate a differing perspective then I really can't take you seriously. Is that a better explanation?

 

 

No, because you're too closed minded to accept that the fringe users, are also users. So their perspective is just as valid.

You don't think the exhange NightOwl and I have had in this very thread constitutes accepting what suits someone else? Never once said it was wrong... reiterated the pro's of the platform... hmm... what SHOULD I have done, enlighten me.

 

I think we call get your perspective and really don't need to read again how you hate that there exists a tablet that isn't a fully functional PC again and again?

 

But do you? do you REALLY get it? because you're not acting like you do.

 

Also, I only did it because I was concerned the OP had only used an iPad. No Surface, no Android, no Blackberry. And I was right! He may still end up buying an iPad if he likes it best; but I still stand by my belief that 'buying the first thing you see' is foolish.

I helped a young kid not throw money at the first thing he see's, IMO, a good lesson.

 

Good job in turning someone's question about which iPad to get into your own love fest thread though. Kudos on that.

 

Thank you, It's an art.

Was going smoothly while we were calmly comparing usage cases, shame someone broke it.

 

Maybe start your own thread in the Apple section about "Why I believe the iPad is shit for everyone cause it's not the surface 3"?

 

No, I may be guilty of the occasional troll post, but I'm not as bad as you.

I'm not going to suggest that my fringe use of a device is best for everyone; but on that note is is going to also be best for some.

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You want a tablet to be a PC. That's fine for you.

Absolutely correct.

 

I think I found you a girlfriend:

 

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:P

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I only ask because Ipads are usually only useful in a business environment, otherwise the end up being toys.

android tabs, and even surfaces are real 'geek tools' no matter what,and are also useful in a business environment.

 

 

 

It's statements like this that pretty much mean I can never take you seriously anymore Master_Scythe.

 

 

Lol, really? So things like different workplace use of technology are one of the reasons you can never take me seriously? Pretty judgemental, and deliberately inflammatory statement to make; but your'e welcome to make it.

 

 

No, your broad brush narrow POV statements, like the one quoted at the top of this quote tree, are why I can't take you seriously.

 

Sorry for having a broad point of view. I find stating it leads to discussions on a topic. Also, people don't have 9 days to read a book on the intricate feelings of a topic when others speak.

Make the statement, if someone disagrees, discuss. Pretty simple stuff really.

 

No, you don't speak as having a broad point of view. You made a statement which is unfathomably incorrect and paint people with a large brush. You did it. Right there. At the top of the quote tree. iPads are really good in business or are toys. It doesn't even make sense. It's wrong. Period. I called you on it and you didn't like it. Everything else you wrote never even addressed this. You attacked me because you felt attacked.

 

Look I know you aren't going to get it and really, in regards to poor form, you are the only one in here calling people names like troll and fanboi, both assumptions are completely and totally incorrect BTW.

 

If you want a discussion don't resort to name calling. So far all you have done is just prove my point that I can't take you seriously.

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You made a statement which is unfathomably incorrect

 

That is literally impossible in a topic like this.

No matter how much you cry about my experiences, that's them. Don't like them? Come back when you have a time machine.

 

Wanna share yours? great! just dont think that your personal experiences somehow 'undo' others. God complex much?

 

 

 

iPads are really good in business or are toys. It doesn't even make sense. It's wrong. Period.

 

I love how you omit the key word there; 'usually'.

That's my usual experience. Not an exclusive one; but you can continue to read and assume what you like; there's obviously no reasoning with you.

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