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And the Big Limo arrives with an escort to take them to the aircraft for DEATH ISLAND where they will be executed slowly by watching repeats of " Australian Parliament and episodes of Bill and Ben"

 

Yep they no longer in Bali.

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I dunno.

 

I begin to sense a political flim-flam, continual delays, escalating tension and now the new Indonesian President starts saying the death penalty could go...

 

Unless they are actually in the know it must be utterly horrifying and mind un-hingeing for the two, well let's be realistic they are not alone, quite a parade lined up to be shot, and I do doubt they are anything more than pawns.

 

I'm wondering if this is not a play to have Jakarta look so big on the world stage, with a new dic...President, anything is possible, but the theatrics have been large...

 

Of course if it is a game of chess Abbot has a bit of a disadvantage, not sure he'd grasp checkers...

 

Cheers

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They are saying there is "technical" issues with the delay of the execution.. Only indonesia would experience technical difficulties loading bullets into rifles lol

 

I've heard quite a few people saying "oh we shouldnt say anything about indo, they are bigger then us and could beat us in war". Anyone else heard comments along the lines of this?

 

Indo would never make it to Australia

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They are saying there is "technical" issues with the delay of the execution.. Only indonesia would experience technical difficulties loading bullets into rifles lol

 

I've heard quite a few people saying "oh we shouldnt say anything about indo, they are bigger then us and could beat us in war". Anyone else heard comments along the lines of this?

 

Indo would never make it to Australia

 

Lots of people are running scared in case they start a war, maybe that is why they Bali pair was paraded with Military Escorts as sort of psychological attack inciting fear.

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nah i dont think its that. All Sharia countries control their people through fear and intimidation. Standard practice

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Lots of people are running scared in case they start a war, maybe that is why they Bali pair was paraded with Military Escorts as sort of psychological attack inciting fear.

With their huge blue-water navy, formidable airforce, and enough strategic reserves of oil to last 10 days while blockaded?

The bulk of their armoured force, is AMX-13s, which were designed in the 50s and have as much armour as a hummer.

The bulk of their aircraft aren't in service, and they are basically running a small number of F-16As.

The bulk of their navy is 6 ex-dutch 1960s frigates, with simbad IR launchers tacked on in the 80s, and two german diesel electric subs designed in the 1960s.

 

Indonesia don't want to start a war. We've spent the last 18 months insulting them, invading their territorial waters, towing boats back there, and posturing. The president is trying to show the people that he is tough, and doesn't have to pander to Australia. That's why the members Australian government capable of diplomacy are trying to work out a "good deal" for indonesia, like a prisoner transfer or something. That's been made harder by the kak-handed approach some members of the executive have made. Then we have shit like this, that didn't bloody need to happen at all.

 

You want to freak an island nation out? Invade their territorial waters with your big modern navy vessels, and act like you couldn't give a shit about their opinion, or what's important to them. You expect that they won't make mileage out of any leverage they can get? Indonesia will be one of our most important neighbours over the next 50 years, and it's time we both acknowledged that, and acted like they matter. Regardless of things that have gone on in the past, we owe them at least public respect and courtesy.

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"Then we have shit like this, that didn't bloody need to happen at all."

 

Haha, it didn't need to happen, but is pretty much the way they roll. I missed that bit of idiocy.

I'm pretty fed up with reading the inept things these dudes do.

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Indonesia don't want to start a war. We've spent the last 18 months insulting them, invading their territorial waters, towing boats back there, and posturing. The president is trying to show the people that he is tough, and doesn't have to pander to Australia. That's why the members Australian government capable of diplomacy are trying to work out a "good deal" for indonesia, like a prisoner transfer or something. That's been made harder by the kak-handed approach some members of the executive have made. Then we have shit like this, that didn't bloody need to happen at all.

 

You want to freak an island nation out? Invade their territorial waters with your big modern navy vessels, and act like you couldn't give a shit about their opinion, or what's important to them. You expect that they won't make mileage out of any leverage they can get? Indonesia will be one of our most important neighbours over the next 50 years, and it's time we both acknowledged that, and acted like they matter. Regardless of things that have gone on in the past, we owe them at least public respect and courtesy.

 

 

It's especially ironic given it was Howard who actually strengthened the ties that Abbott and his band of merry idiots managed to trash in the space of like a year.

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The ties are still strong its the negativity of the media that is drowning out the Positive side. Hence the threat of a Human Tsunami from a minister if Australia interferes with the execution of the Bali Pair.

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The ties are still strong its the negativity of the media that is drowning out the Positive side. Hence the threat of a Human Tsunami from a minister if Australia interferes with the execution of the Bali Pair.

 

Ties in the government, sure. But if the public expects their president to take a hard line, in fact, demands it. Then there's very little we can do. Imagine if Russia invaded our territorial waters, and demanded we do some things, meanwhile members of their parliament are insulting our elected representatives. How do you think Australians would feel about a leader that backed down in the face of that, even if it did make perfect sense in terms of relationships between two countries.

 

It's ironic that in the west, we like to comment on asian nations having to "save face", when we expect our politicians to defend our honour with just as much ardour.

 

We expect our leaders to be tough. Everyone was a little disappointed, when the "shirt-fronting" turned out to involve private meetings, rather than public rhetoric. Which approach yielded more fruit in terms of our interests in MH17, and which was us wanting to feel good about ourselves?

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It seems from reports though that a lot of the Indonesian people do want the executions stopped and a similar sized block want to abolish the death penalty.

 

The problem seems to be that the new president is not entirely in control, is failing to meet his election promises and therefore needs to be seen to be tough on something - sounds remarkably like Abbot...

 

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It seems from reports though that a lot of the Indonesian people do want the executions stopped and a similar sized block want to abolish the death penalty.

 

The problem seems to be that the new president is not entirely in control, is failing to meet his election promises and therefore needs to be seen to be tough on something - sounds remarkably like Abbot...

 

Cheers

Are you saying that politicians are all the same regardless of nationality? I'm appalled and offended at that suggestion.....

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Heh,

 

The safest place to be if Abbott were looking to shoot you would be right in front of the idiot...

 

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Seems Bali is getting deserted not many tourists heading their since the campaign started.

 

Its not just Australia it seems worldwide now ,that its getting attention from.

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Yeah,

 

I'm not really surprised, after Australians the commonest tourists you will be likely to encounter on the streets of Kuta are European, in particular Scandinavians, a part of the world that disposed of the death penalty quite a time ago and has very strong views against it.

 

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