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Dodgy psu = new midrange build time

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After moving house (and before working DSL, so sorry for autocorrect nonsense in advance), it seems my desktop psu has decided to retire. I'm thinking of giving that box (p180, i5-750, hd5850, p55 ud3r) with a new cpu to my dad to replace his c2d e6400.

 

Budget is probably in the 1-1.2k range: want to put money aside for a microserver and associated 4tb drives, which means I can get a smaller desktop case for myself. Suggestions?

 

Unsure if I'll swap my current Intel 120gb ssd I've or plonk down for something a little buggy/newer.

 

Want to stick with a ddr3 platform so I can just use my current 2x8gb corsair kit over. But no real idea with mobos otherwise.

I remember looking at fractal and nanoxia smaller cases but not exact models or prices. I like the black minimalist aesthetic. I am also prioritising power efficiency and quiet, so figure a GTA 970 might work? Gaming will be on a 27" dell at native 1440p but afaik none of the games will be to intensive.

 

I finally got a hifi amp and nice set of bookshelf speakers too, so suggestion on a nice sound card would also be cool.

 

Happy to keep my sidewinder mouse, looking for a new kb and happy to be talked out of a das board <.>

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best way to drive the amp is via hdmi from the igp provided you dont mind having a display that isnt visible for the mouse to disappear on

 

the smaller fractal\nanoxia cases are still huge your really not gaining much space by swapping to them but if its enough to make you happy thats fine

 

want it to be overclockable?

any work that can make use of ht being done or is it mostly just for games?

 

the gtx970 3.5g is the most efficient option its just a shame that the quieter non reference models cost so much

some models of 290 4g can be very quiet to but it does suck a lot of power and will crank out more heat which i will find handy coming into winter...

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Yeah totally forgot how big their small cases were. Any suggestions? I dread trying to navigate silent pc on a 4" screen.

 

Amp is an older sony, inputs are bnc and toslink. I ignored optical but I guess it should be fine for just 2.0 as far as bandwidth goes?

 

OCable would be nice in theory but honestly I mostly have my tru120 for quietness and lower stock temps, the few times I played with OCing I was too lazy to find voltage changes for stability. Happy to play if there's something worthwhile, tho.

 

Afaik I couldnt really justify HT: games, web, watching media and not really encoding. Happy to save the i7 for the microserver so Usenet and transcoding don't make it fall over.

 

Judging by my current case, 120 antecs are pretty quiet but it's the gpu fan that is noisy, even on low it growls too loud. How much more are the non reference 970s? Do you think it's worth the 970 over a 960 at 1440p?

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lol library internets.

 

Kind of like the look of the Nanoxia DS4 and Fractal Define Mini. Not too sure on the smaller mITX focused cases. I don't neeeed my BR drive but it's nice to have it there to rip music, and an external 5.25" bay on the tiny cases is such a rarity. Not really 'small', but smaller than my Antec, and perhaps more versatile than the Silverstone Sugos and Corsair Obsidians.

After some reading, it sounds like a GTX970 is a minimum to game at 1440p. Can't justify the cost of a 980 :p Reading about some of the quieter 970 cards and it looks like the Asus Strix may be the easiest to find here in Australia? As a bonus, MSY have it for cheap in Vic. Guess a 970 means some GPU OCing, and 1440p means some CPU OCing, so I guess that means a K CPU and bump in mobo prices/features?

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yes optical from the mb should be fine for 2.0 as far as i know

 

gtx970 should be good the asus fans stop at idle same with the msi i think

higher res mostly increases gpu load not so much the cpu

 

4590, h97, 1600 cl8 is the way to go if you dont want to oc

4690k, z97 a moderate oc should boost performance ~15% but most games at 1440p with a single gtx970 will be gpu bottlnecked

its fairly easy to oc these chips set the ram to load xmp up the cpu multi to ~44x if its not stable lower the multi or up the v

but considering the budget you may be limited to non oc components

faster ram can add ~10% to oc performance but since you have a kit you want to reuse its not worth spending the money to replace it

 

you should be able to find a 1155\1150 mount for your old hsf if you want to reuse it

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I can stretch the budget if I can justify it, just didn't want to set unrealistic expectations.

 

Thanks fir the help!

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Forgot to ask - if I grab a larger ssd, is m2 worth the premium over sata?

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CoolerMaster Silencio 352 mATX Dimensions $76 (W x H x D) 200 x 378 x 453mm
good value but obviously a bit lower quality than the fractal

Silverstone Kublai KL06 Mini Tower Chassis $89 (W x H x D) 211 x 375 x 405mm
no sound deadening and a open front but with quiet components and no hdd i dont think it will make much difference

Nanoxia Deep Silence 4 $99 (W x H x D) 200 x 380 x 480mm
worst airflow with one front 120mm fan vs two in the others

Fractal Design Define Mini $125 $125 (W x H x D) 210 x 395 x 490mm

 

shaped internet makes this so painfully slow

 

stock
Intel Core i5 4590 $269
Gigabyte GA-H97M-D3H $135
Asus GTX970 3.5G $519
CoolerMaster V550S 80 Plus Gold 550W $115
CoolerMaster Silencio 352 mATX Dimensions $76
$1114

overclocking
Intel Core i5 4690K $329
ASRock Z97M Pro4 $145

$1184

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Will update properly tomorrow night if I get working internet, tired of phone eating responses. Took some fiddling but all working good and quiet.

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I knew the case would be cosy inside but wow. Had to pull the middle drive cage out because the gpu is about 1cm too long - not actual circuit board, just the metal frame the cooling stuff is attached to having some overhang. Bottom cage also needs removing to plug the gpu in, otherwise the angles don't line up and the gpu wants to sit over the ram slots and not plug in properly. Front case use headers are really close to the gpu meaning the font fleas work because the cable won't fit properly.

 

Apart from that tho, smooth sailing. Just nothing to do with the new machine because still no net and so steam won't load.

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Will work on getting some online somewhere.

 

Now it's all together I'm happy. Especially after unplugging everything usb so it stays asleep/hibernating overnight.

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Oh wow. Wasn't USB or network triggering wakes from sleep/hibernate. It was Intel's bullshit - turning the PC on to check email/facebook/twitter every 15 minutes. WTF Intel PR department.

 

Anyway, hopefully working phone line by the weekend, so will be able to take some pics and host them/link them.

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Dodgy RAM (or potentially dodgy mobo I guess); any suggestions for an 2x8GB replacement?

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Crucial's current line (even their cheap generic type) are doing some amazing things with only the smallest voltage bump. Look into some reviews on the sticks that take your fancy :)

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Eh, found my invoice from 2013. RMAing it to Corsair in Taiwan after they send me replacements. Not super keen on paying postage because MSY are lazy, but I hadn't realised just how much memory prices had gone up in the last two years... I'll still come out ahead.

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Bumpity bump bump.

 

Almost two years later and I'm tired of random BSODs. In the times I've ran memetest, I saw a single error, once.

 

I still can't work out if it's ram/mobo/cpu, but I'm giving away my old case with a new PSU to a friend, so figure I can give him some ram and hope he has better luck.

 

Suggestions on RAM? For a 4690 and z97 as above i think.

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Corsair CMY16GX3M2A2400C11A DDR3 16GB $114
G SKill 16G(2x8G)DDR3 F3-2133C9D $159
G.Skill TridentX F3-2400C10D-16GTX $164

 

as for tracking down minor stability problems with ram i have found memtest to be virtually useless

when overclocking my ram i found this a great help

http://www.overclock.net/t/1569364/official-ddr4-z170-z270-and-x99-24-7-memory-stability-thread

 

the linux memtest finds memory errors much quicker than anything i have tried before and tends to ignore problems from other things to a fair extent

hci memtest stresses the memory controller and cpu cache fairly hard along with the memory so its a good one to follow up with

if one of them finds errors for you fairly quick i may be able to suggest some settings that could help unless its just one stick that is stuffed

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Thanks, I'll try it (HCI memtest) overnight and see how it goes.

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Bumpity bump bump.

 

Almost two years later and I'm tired of random BSODs. In the times I've ran memetest, I saw a single error, once.

 

I still can't work out if it's ram/mobo/cpu, but I'm giving away my old case with a new PSU to a friend, so figure I can give him some ram and hope he has better luck.

 

Suggestions on RAM? For a 4690 and z97 as above i think.

 

One error once is too much for RAM, even if it took a month to find it.

I'd still wager RAM.

 

 

Curiously; just re-reading this thread, did you ever get a Microserver?

I only ask because I've noticed a cool project that I was a little too late for (already purchased everything).

 

RaspberryPi 3 + 4x 3TB 2.5" USB drives, in RAID5.

It uses a bees dick of power, and usually USB2 (x3) is faster than the file transfer you're trying to do anyway.

 

Just curious :)

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The problem with one memory error, once, is that if I can't reproduce it, what hope do I have of someone else doing so?

 

 

Anyway, HCI's Memtest found a single error. I set up 6 instances to run overnight, at 2GB each. Five of them did about 450% coverage. One got to ~140% before finding a single error:

 

 

 

Memory error detected! Copying between 9984305 and 9983fe7 did not result in accurate copy.

 

Pretty suuuuuure I have the default BIOS settings for memory/CPU/etc, but going to double check

 

 

 

 

And, I never set up my microserver. At first I was waiting for the next generation of HPs to come out - and it looks like there's still no gen9 or 10 lineup - and then I decided it'd probably make sense to hold out for an Intel processor that can do x265 decoding on-chip, for future-proofing.

 

So I basically have my desktop running Plex with some 8TB archive drives, and hoping it doesn't BSOD while someone's watching a movie (has happened, awkward when I'm not home).

 

My concerns with a Pi3 setup and attached storage is a) the drives aren't big enough for my requirements, and b) in the past, USB drives tend to have issues with powering down, and thus premature death (not to mention heat issues).

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Minus the space issue, the others seem to be solved long ago.

Windows is still terrible at spinning down USB devices, but Linux seems to be A-OK at it.

 

Just was curious, as it's an intriguing way to get a 9TB file server at as close to $0 running costs as you can get.

 

Just wishing to live vicariously through someone :P I purchsed too quickly and missed out doing it ;p;

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BIOS settings at default - I think I gave up trying to optimise after initial bad RAM and never went back after the replacement. Voltage settings look reasonably close to what they're meant to be, but IDK.

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ram should have a xmp profile?

hci confirms there is a stability problem somewhere

but you really need to run the linux test on each stick to see if its faulty ram or if hci spat out that error due to something else

should only need to run it for an hour each stick

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