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For those who want to have a say, not quite as good as a referendum but better than nothing.

 

Provide your Government with your feedback directly by following the link below:

http://www.immi.gov.au/pub-res/Pages/discussion-papers/citizenship-right-responsibility.aspx

Deadline for feedback is 30th June 2015

 

Direct link to questionnaire:

 

https://dibpau.au1.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_2oBvNXepUW2JF77

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Citizenship this is the word of the day.

 

We have dual citizenship where one is born in another country but also holds citizenship of Australia.

 

Then we have those born in Australia that automatically gets citizenship.

 

The problem is dual Citizenship why allow citizenship between 2 countries ,you can only live in one country. So if you live in Australia then that should be your only citizenship. When you become a citizen to Australia then that should nullify any other citizenship.

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Stupid Captcha system, took 3 goes before I could find something readable.

 

Done. Though a good number of vague questions. They'd probably have done better by just having 20 or so multiple choice questions.

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Stupid Captcha system, took 3 goes before I could find something readable.

 

Done. Though a good number of vague questions. They'd probably have done better by just having 20 or so multiple choice questions.

 

I hate captcha its a bane to those who have sight problems and also a bane to those who cannot make out what is in the box.

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They have it set to have one word too curled and the letters too close together.

 

I just had another look, out of about 5 refreshes only one was easy to read, one you'd probably have 50/50 with and the rest just big timewasters.

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Citizenship this is the word of the day.

 

We have dual citizenship where one is born in another country but also holds citizenship of Australia.

 

Then we have those born in Australia that automatically gets citizenship.

 

The problem is dual Citizenship why allow citizenship between 2 countries ,you can only live in one country. So if you live in Australia then that should be your only citizenship. When you become a citizen to Australia then that should nullify any other citizenship.

Citizenship has almost nothing to do where you live.

 

I live in Japan, one day I might have permanent residence in Japan, but I won't be a citizen of Japan, and I will continue to be a citizen of Australia.

 

Rob.

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Citizenship this is the word of the day.

 

We have dual citizenship where one is born in another country but also holds citizenship of Australia.

 

Then we have those born in Australia that automatically gets citizenship.

 

The problem is dual Citizenship why allow citizenship between 2 countries ,you can only live in one country. So if you live in Australia then that should be your only citizenship. When you become a citizen to Australia then that should nullify any other citizenship.

Citizenship has almost nothing to do where you live.

 

I live in Japan, one day I might have permanent residence in Japan, but I won't be a citizen of Japan, and I will continue to be a citizen of Australia.

 

Rob.

 

 

I think it comes down to loyalty in the end ,which country do you feel more loyal too.

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I really think citizenship can cause a lot of problems when the "my country wrong or right" bit rears its ugly head.

 

I'm a citizen of three countries but I could not say I'm spectacularly loyal to any of them, it's just a little difficult to get around without a passport from at least one and preferably two of them :)

 

Even the US has softened up on the dual citizenship issue, use to be you had to give up US citizenship if you became a citizen of Australia for example, not so any more.

 

I've never checked, is Abbot a dual citizen ? He'd be entitled.

 

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I got doubts about choosing based on loyalty. It probably ranks around 2 or 3.

 

Top of the list would be personal gain as in pensions and paying less tax.

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I don't see why there is a question about what citizenship means.

Surely a good citizen does not shit in the place they choose to live in.

Even someone on a temp visa status can be a good citizen by not shitting in the place they choose to visit.

If you shit all over the place that offers you respite, then you need to redefine your idea of citizenship.

 

There wouldn't even need to be a question as to what citizenship was if people could just stop from being utter selfish pricks.

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I really think citizenship can cause a lot of problems when the "my country wrong or right" bit rears its ugly head.

 

I'm a citizen of three countries but I could not say I'm spectacularly loyal to any of them, it's just a little difficult to get around without a passport from at least one and preferably two of them :)

 

Even the US has softened up on the dual citizenship issue, use to be you had to give up US citizenship if you became a citizen of Australia for example, not so any more.

 

I've never checked, is Abbot a dual citizen ? He'd be entitled.

 

Cheers

Actually chrisg Abbott as a member of parliment is not entitled to hold dual citizenship, this comes under Section 44 of the constitution.

 

I personnally have no issue with people being citizens of more than one country, my neighbour is a 10 pound pom has still has his British citizenship as well as his Australian citizenship and has just been given permanent residency status in Greece becasue he brought a car while holidaying there.

 

I do not think the government should be able to strip a citizen of their citizenship without due process, this isn't something that should be decided upon by the Attourney General of the day.

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For those who want to have a say, not quite as good as a referendum but better than nothing.

 

Provide your Government with your feedback directly by following the link below:

 

http://www.immi.gov.au/pub-res/Pages/discussion-papers/citizenship-right-responsibility.aspx

 

Deadline for feedback is 30th June 2015

 

Direct link to questionnaire:

 

https://dibpau.au1.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_2oBvNXepUW2JF77

 

Surely you of all people D can't believe that they will take any notice of that feedback unless it reinforces their position? If the feedback they get contradicts their position they will just claim the feedback system was hijacked by a bunch of Lefty green gay socialists who want to bring about the destruction of "Australian" values.

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For those who want to have a say, not quite as good as a referendum but better than nothing.

 

Provide your Government with your feedback directly by following the link below:

 

http://www.immi.gov.au/pub-res/Pages/discussion-papers/citizenship-right-responsibility.aspx

 

Deadline for feedback is 30th June 2015

 

Direct link to questionnaire:

 

https://dibpau.au1.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_2oBvNXepUW2JF77

 

Surely you of all people D can't believe that they will take any notice of that feedback unless it reinforces their position? If the feedback they get contradicts their position they will just claim the feedback system was hijacked by a bunch of Lefty green gay socialists who want to bring about the destruction of "Australian" values.

 

Yeah I know...but I live in hope that if the pollies see a vote or two in it then they'll follow the wishes of the people...*sigh*.

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Yeah I know...but I live in hope that if the pollies see a vote or two in it then they'll follow the wishes of the people...*sigh*.

 

 

As I see it only if those votes align with their already fixed beliefs and opinions.

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I really think citizenship can cause a lot of problems when the "my country wrong or right" bit rears its ugly head.

 

I'm a citizen of three countries but I could not say I'm spectacularly loyal to any of them, it's just a little difficult to get around without a passport from at least one and preferably two of them :)

 

Even the US has softened up on the dual citizenship issue, use to be you had to give up US citizenship if you became a citizen of Australia for example, not so any more.

 

I've never checked, is Abbot a dual citizen ? He'd be entitled.

 

Cheers

Actually chrisg Abbott as a member of parliment is not entitled to hold dual citizenship, this comes under Section 44 of the constitution.

 

I personnally have no issue with people being citizens of more than one country, my neighbour is a 10 pound pom has still has his British citizenship as well as his Australian citizenship and has just been given permanent residency status in Greece becasue he brought a car while holidaying there.

 

I do not think the government should be able to strip a citizen of their citizenship without due process, this isn't something that should be decided upon by the Attourney General of the day.

 

I had thought there probably was some legislation to cover that, thanks.

 

I actually completely agree but I also do not really see how it is relevant to the morons running off to fight for ISIL, they can keep their citizenship but if they come back they get tried for international war crimes - simple.

 

Cheers

 

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Looks like Dutton isn't alone in wanting to play god with people's lives ... although this guy could do with some

sort of change of address.

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I've heard discussion of them doing this to those who have the 'potential' to have dual citizenship. If a native born Aussie has, through his parents, the capacity to hold citizenship elsewhere, then they'll be vulnerable to this idiocy.

Yet they keep saying the the ALP is playing politics with 'security'.

ARGH!

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No shit, the last time there was a government in this country that seemed to go out of it's way to piss off the people in favour of small special-interest groups, Governor Bligh was waking up to find things were going to shit in Sydney. :p

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I've heard discussion of them doing this to those who have the 'potential' to have dual citizenship. If a native born Aussie has, through his parents, the capacity to hold citizenship elsewhere, then they'll be vulnerable to this idiocy.

Yet they keep saying the the ALP is playing politics with 'security'.

ARGH!

That's pretty much the front line of my family.

 

Let's hope they don't take offense to me calling Scott Morrison a cunt who is going to hell.

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The bill introduced today isn't as bad as I was expecting, but I still think it's a football to score points with nationalistic voters, rather than something that is going to solve problems.

First and foremost, it makes the world less safe. We have strong anti-terrorism laws in Australia, and there's no garuentee that people that meet the necessary requirements are going to be prosecuted in their other country of citizenship. To repeat an analogy I've heard elsewhere, if an Australian citizen was found guilty of mass murder, would we be happy stripping them of their citizenship, and allowing them to walk free in another country?

The downside is that locking dangerous people up costs money, and I can understand the perspective of people who think this shouldn't be our burden for dual nationals who immigrated to Australia. I would counter this point by suggesting we still hold some responsibility for them, because we either didn't screen them appropriately during the application for citizenship, or they were converted/recruited while they were a citizen of Australia.

Secondly, I don't think this is going to act as a meaningful deterrent, and if anything, will worsen the situation with home grown terrorists because it promotes an us-against-them ideology. The situation with young men and women who are recruited by terrorist organisations while living in Australia is complicated, and defies simple reductions to good people vs bad people. Cultural identity is a powerful force, and everyone wants to belong to something. I think we could be doing more to make Muslims feel like they're welcome in Australia, and that we value their input and traditions that are compatible with the Australian way of life (i.e. family, friendship, good food, great architecture, freedom of religion). This wouldn't solve the terrorism problem, but it might result in less isolation, and better community integration, which in turn impacts on motivation to identify as something other than Australian.

So it's a bill that doesn't necessarily punish or rehabilitate those guilty of fighting in immoral and unlawful wars, and it doesn't necessarily deter others from joining them. The main thing it would achieve is to reduce costs to taxpayers, at the expense of the safety of Australian soldiers and citizens working, travelling, or living abroad, as well as the citizens of other nations involved in these conflicts.

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For 99.999% of people, this law has absolutely no effect or cause for worry.

 

For the remainder, it might be just enough to act as deterrent. Our prison system is a holiday camp compared to most countries - just look at the crowded shitholes you see in places like Indonesia with their bucket per room of 15 as a toilet.

Sure, there's the possibility of them walking free or serving token bullshit Rainbow Warrior type island resort sentences but IMO it's worth it.

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To keep them out, and free us of the expense of imprisonment.

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