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What's the deal with the AM4 APUs?

 

Are these recent released ones based on the older architecture or are they genuine Ryzen derivatives with graphics cores?

e.g. X4-940, X4-950, X4-970, A6-9550.

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No idea but I think the focus on zen cpu and vega gpu meant the zen apu wasn't a priority.

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What's the deal with the AM4 APUs?

 

Are these recent released ones based on the older architecture or are they genuine Ryzen derivatives with graphics cores?

e.g. X4-940, X4-950, X4-970, A6-9550.

They're Excavator based chips.

 

 

A good look at them by Steve at Hardware Unboxed.

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So don't buy it, get a ryzen 3 1200 with a gt 1030

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So don't buy it, get a ryzen 3 1200 with a gt 1030

Yes they're rubbish... and I agree with Steve in the above video... they taint the AM4 lineup and AMD shouldn't have released them.. but I guess it was their decision to run this crap out the door and make some more money. *shrugs*

 

On a happier note. Zen APU's seem to be pretty tasty:

 

Here we have the top end Bristol Ridge A12-9800 APU Geekbench result: https://browser.geekbench.com/processors/1945

 

And here we have the yet to be released Ryzen 5 2500U APU Geekbench result: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/3989399

 

What do these results mean?

 

Whilst having a -90% clock speed reduction to the A12, it still gets a 36.5% better single rating, and a 48.8% better multicore rating. That. Is. Staggering!!!

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Shouldn't complain too much I guess.

 

Intel still insists on sticking with Pentium and Celeron using the mainstream socket format when the low end market could be catered for by the i3.

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Shouldn't complain too much I guess.

 

Intel still insists on sticking with Pentium and Celeron using the mainstream socket format when the low end market could be catered for by the i3.

 

That's because Intel want to squeeze every last dollar out of the market by dividing it up. A lot of their own line up makes redundant their own line up. Coffee Lake is about to drop... which is basically Kaby Lake and that has come quicker than you can say "Already made!"

 

Link to Zen APU benchmark summary

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AMD wants Radeon Vega and Ryzen on 12nm LP process next year

 

As confirmed by Tom’s Hardware who spoke to Papermaster directly, AMD will switch both Vega and Ryzen to 12nm LP process next year.

 

This means that the slides published by AMD are no longer valid, as 14nm+ has now been shifted to 12nm. The so-called Zen+ might be the architecture behind Ryzen 2000 series, which should launch in 2H 2018. The other theory would be xx50 series, eg. Ryzen 7 1850X and so on, but we don’t know how would that affect Threadripper.

 

When it comes to Vega, AMD has never confirmed Vega 20, but we knew about it for a long time. The slides also mentioned 14nm+, which should also be now outdated.

The longterm roadmap outlines the plans for 2017/2018/2019. By 2020 AMD wants 7nm and 7nm+ products to be available. It appears that next year is a year for refreshed architectures with big upgrades coming in 2019.

 

Global Foundaries 12LP FinFET announcement:

Global-Foundaries-12LP-1000x575.jpg

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GlobalFoundries promises that its 12LP provides a 15% higher transistor density and enables a 10% higher frequency potential (at the same power and complexity) compared to “16/14nm FinFET solutions on the market today”.

 

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11854/globalfoundries-adds-12lp-process-tech-amd-first-customer

 

10% higher frequency is nothing to sneeze at. AMD is apparently working on getting the clocks high.. but if they could overclock to 4.4GHz... they'd be very tasty. I'd assume that these would take on the IPc improvements that Raven Ridge has implemented and more.

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http://wccftech.com/amd-12nm-ryzen-2-pinnacle-ridge-cpus-launching-february-2018-alongside-x470-chipset/

 

AMD has reportedly informed its motherboard partners of its plans to introduce the second generation Ryzen “Pinnacle Ridge” family of CPUs in February of next year. The new lineup will include 2000 series Ryzen 7, Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 3 microprocessors.

 

Alongside AMD’s upcoming second generation Ryzen CPUs the company is also introducing a brand new 400 series chipset options, including X470 and B450. Motherboards based on the new chipset are expected to begin shipping in January in time for Pinnacle Ridge’s debut a month later.

 

AMD-Matisse-Picasso-740x312.jpg

 

It's wccftech... so take it with a grain of salt.

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AMD Raven Ridge Performance Leaks - APU with GeForce MX150 Performance

 

The AMD Ryzen 7 2700U with integrated Vega-based graphics architecture, and also rumored to have a ~35-watt TDP, is showing 3DMark11 graphics scores near that of the discrete NVIDIA GeForce MX150.

 

3dmark11.png

 

With a graphics score of 4072, the integrated graphics on the upcoming AMD APU is slightly behind the score of 4570 from the MX150, a difference of 11.5%. Interestingly, the Physics score on the Raven Ridge APU of 6419 is solid as well, and puts an interesting light on the 8th gen KBL-R processors. As you can see in the graph below, from two systems we already have in-house with quad-core parts, CPU performance is going to vary dramatically from one machine to the next depending on the thermal headroom of the physical implementation.

 

The HP Spectre x360 with the Core i7-8550U and the MX150 GPU is able to generate a Physics score of 8278, well above the leaked result of the Raven Ridge APU. However, when we ran the 3DMark11 on the ASUS Zenbook 3 UX490UA with the same Core i7-8550U, the Physics score was 6627, a 19% drop! Clearly there are configurability shifts that will adjust the performance of the 8th gen Intel parts. We are diving more into this effect in a couple of upcoming reviews.

 

I think the real advantage here for AMD is... you get that in the one package, meaning it's going to be much cheaper and easier for OEM's for total system package. Have to wait and see what they're actually like though.

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/11964/ryzen-mobile-is-launched-amd-apus-for-laptops-with-vega-and-updated-zen/5

 

During our pre-briefings on Ryzen Mobile, it was asked why the two new APUs were using the 2000-series numbers, and not the 1000-series numbers like the desktop parts. It was assumed by the press that the first generation of Ryzen would all be under the 1000-series, including the mobile parts. The response given by Kevin Lensing, AMD’s Corporate VP of the Client Business Unit, was that so many of the design ideas that AMD wanted to put into the original desktop Ryzen (but couldn’t due to time) eventually ended up in Ryzen Mobile, such as the updated precision boost. While there are no architectural changes to Zen to warrant a next-generation microarchitecture name, this version of Ryzen’s periphery (i.e. the power) was more in-line with an original vision and had to be presented as such. This is why we have Ryzen 7 2700U, rather than a Ryzen 7 1700U. He would not comment if the true next generation Ryzen desktop naming would still be the 2000 series, or if we would go straight to 3000. Who knows, it might alternate.

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AMD Second Gen EPYC Beastly Server CPUs Could Rock 64 Cores, 128 Threads And 256MB Cache

 

Canard PC Hardware, a French website with a pretty good track record when it comes to leaks, claims to have obtained specifications for AMD's second generation EPYC processors (we’ll simply call it EPYC 2 for brevity). At first glance, things don't appear to be too out of the ordinary. The processors are rumored to still support up to 128 PCIe lanes and 8-channel DDR4 memory (although the memory spec has been bumped from 2666MHz to 3200MHz speeds).

So this is a rumour. Grain of salt.

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Asus Outs ‘New Upcoming Processors’ With AMD B350/X370 BIOS Updates

 

Is AMD readying a new round of processors for its AM4 platform? It certainly seems so, with Asus releasing a new BIOS update for its entire range of B350 and X370 motherboards that effectively confirms this.

Asus released a series of BIOS updates for its full selection of AMD B350 and X370 chipset motherboards. Each of the individual updates share the same description: “Update to AGESA 1071 for new upcoming processors.”

 

We’ve already discussed the finer points of the AGESA protocol, and it’s not a new or unexpected feature for the AM4 platform; AMD and its partners frequently release BIOS updates that support new revisions of the code. However, Asus stating that the update is for new upcoming processors indicates that AMD will be expanding its AM4 processor family in some way. Asus currently seems to be the only AMD motherboard partner offering the new BIOS (dated 11-17-17), and it seems the company has let a significant cat out of the bag.

 

Intel’s release of Coffee Lake processors (and the new Z370 chipset) seemed like a direct answer to AMD’s Ryzen processors, offering more cores for the money. It was certainly Intel’s least expensive per-core CPU launch in recent history, at least at its recommended MSRP--a play AMD has been making since its FX-series processors debuted. With a new round of AMD AM4 processors apparently inbound, it seems unlikely that AMD would be upping the ante with even more cores, and it's likely taking aim at the low end market with a set of new APUs with integrated Vega graphics (as the company recently did with its debut of mobile Ryzen APUs). Although it's a far shot, AMD could also be laying the groundwork for 12nm LP FinFET products, though the timing still seems a bit premature for that.

Without an official statement from Asus or AMD (we’ve reached out to both), we can only speculate what kind of processors AMD could be preparing to unleash and how soon we will see them at market. However, with Asus already releasing a BIOS update for these mystery chips, it seems apparent that we’ll be seeing them sooner than later.

Oooh... exciting stuff. Isn't competition exciting? I just checked The ASUS website and the little blurb still says that about AGESA 1071

 

Expecting at least a 10-20% performance uplift at the 12nm node. February has been chucked around as a possible release date, but I'd think later than that myself.

 

EDIT: This is a really long video by a balanced AMD fan. But his predictions have turned out to be fairly spot on in the past. Watch it if you like keeping up to date on the latest tech news.

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Asus Strix doubles down on AMD with first eight-core Ryzen laptop

 

HPE's AMD EPYC-Powered VM Server Breaks Benchmark Records:

 

According to HPE, the benchmarks were attained using AMD EPYC model 7601 on ProLiant DL385 Gen10 systems, which are available with up to 64-cores, 4 TB memory and 128 lanes of PCIe connectivity. For the SPECrate 2017_fp_base benchmark the HPE/AMD combo scored 257, and for the SPECfp_rate2006 the score was 1980. Both were the highest ever two socket system scores for their respective benchmarks.

 

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Why would I want a laptop with a RX 580 GPU? I want a bloody Vega one.

 

PS just bought a laptop with i7 7700HQ and GTX1060

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Why would I want a laptop with a RX 580 GPU? I want a bloody Vega one.

 

PS just bought a laptop with i7 7700HQ and GTX1060

Yes I know! Or even a GTX

 

But it's good to see ryzen in a laptop anyway. One that's not a low power one.

 

Now that AMD have worked with intel to create that small platform chip, I'd like to see AMD collaborate with nVidia to use the NVLink with Ryzen processors.

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Battery life on that laptop is going be terrible, given the CPU and GPU aren't exactly great on power consumption.

 

I was right ...

https://www.back2gaming.com/reviews/b2g-hardware/notebooks-laptops/asus-rog-strix-gl702zc-8-core-gaming-laptop-review-ryzen-7-1700-rx580/12/

 

One hour on battery LOL

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Battery life on that laptop is going be terrible, given the CPU and GPU aren't exactly great on power consumption.

 

I was right ...

https://www.back2gaming.com/reviews/b2g-hardware/notebooks-laptops/asus-rog-strix-gl702zc-8-core-gaming-laptop-review-ryzen-7-1700-rx580/12/

 

One hour on battery LOL

Yeah but according to the reviewers that's about what they were expecting

 

You can also see in the teardown image we have a relatively small battery which is a downside to this notebook. Under PowerMark standard drain test which mixes a variety of usage scenarios including browsing, gaming and productivity usages, we get around 1 hour and 15minutes of charge. On a personal gaming test, we only managed to get roughly 50 minutes of AAA gaming on the unit which is close to we expected in comparison to the its close rival the GTX 1060.

 

 

My brother used to buy laptops to game on. And he would just use it like a desktop and leave it plugged in 24/7. Some do use it that way.

 

This certainly is a productivity laptop. i wouldn't need it.

 

AMD's Raven Ridge APU's are the 4 core 8 thread variety and fit in a 15W envelope. This is a 65W desktop chip in a laptop. I wonder if they might try for mobile optimized version with no graphics to fit in the 45w envelope?

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I guess AMD need to get rid of unwanted rx4xx and rx5xx gpus.

Miners are still buying them aren't they? That's why they're more expensive than the better GTX1060?

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