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AMD Ryzen Mobile Benchmarks And Performance: Taking On Intel In Laptops

 

 

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We noted that the Acer Swift 3 with a Core i7-8250U 8th Gen CPU and GeForce MX150 pulled about 9 Watts at idle and 13 - 16 Watts under the light duty load of our HD video loop test. The HP Envy x360 15z with Ryzen 5 Mobile pulled about the same 9 Watts at idle and with similar panel brightness, but under the load of video playback with VLC, pulled 20 Watts with peaks to 30 Watts in spots. We also quickly tested CPU utilization whether running VLC or the Windows 10 video player, and saw Ryzen 5 2500U CPU utilization oscillated at a low 4 - 12 percent. So, it appears at least with respect to VLC and video playback, that Ryzen Mobile with Vega 8 graphics is more power-hungry or perhaps has a bit more driver maturity to undergo to be fully optimized. EXCERPT: We're down to two variables that could be affecting power draw -- beyond just AMD Ryzen Mobile and its Vega GPU with respect to HD video playback -- driver optimization for Ryzen Mobile or the system's 7200 RPM hard drive.

 

Update, 11/24/2017 - 9:33AM

 

HP pushed a Radeon graphics driver update to the Envy x360 15z so we re-ran our HD video rundown test. The machine picked up 19 minutes of up-time as a result, so we've updated the graph above to reflect this time.

 

HP Envy x360 15z With Ryzen Mobile Performance And Final Thoughts

 

Fitting for the forthcoming Thanksgiving holiday here in the US, we've got a lot to digest with our first look at AMD Ryzen Mobile platform. So, let's break down the main course and various side dishes. First, the AMD Ryzen 5 2500U quad-core mobile processor we tested generally offered competitive performance to Intel's latest 8th Gen quad-core Kaby Lake-R offering in various, highly-refined and optimized machines like the Dell XPS 13 and the HP Spectre x360. Presumably, a Ryzen 7 2700U would look even better in a similar match-up, with a bit more top-end clock speed.

Looking at Ryzen Mobile's graphics prowess, as we hoped, the platform offers significantly better performance with its Vega 8 IGP in comparison to Intel's latest UHD 620 IGP in the 8th Gen Core series line-up. In some tests it offered 60 - 70 percent faster frame rates and was able to make unplayable titles playable at 1080p. Granted our short window for testing was mostly relegated to some light-duty, legacy game titles, but as an aside, we also quickly tested current gen games like Middle Earth: Shadow of War. Here we saw playable frame rates at 1080p with Low to Medium image quality settings.

 

The early indicators for AMD's Ryzen Mobile platform are strong, both on the CPU and GPU side of the equation. With respect to battery life, however, the picture for us is still pretty murky and we're going to reserve judgement for now. Frankly, we don't feel like the HP machine we picked up at retail is a very compelling solution overall. Though it's priced right at $729, its dim display and pokey hard drive left a lot to be desired and ultimately hampered our testing from getting a clean A/B comparison in certain spots. With Ryzen Mobile in a more premium configuration, with a higher quality more power-efficient display and fast SSD, our view of its performance profile could have been significantly different.

In fact, AMD may be in a peculiar spot with Ryzen Mobile. The delineation line may be drawn for some users between making the jump from integrated graphics, to whether or not discrete graphics solutions, like NVIDIA's GeForce MX150, might be available in a given model of machine. As we showed, a GeForce MX150 puts up next level performance over Ryzen 5 2500U's Vega 8 IGP at least, though the question still remains how a Ryzen 7 2700U would compare with 2 more Radeon CUs and a touch more clock speed at its disposal.

Ultimately, it will come down to what AMD's OEM partners like HP, Lenovo, Acer, and Dell can pull together for laptop designs with Ryzen Mobile. It would seem the product lends itself very well to premium configurations, if battery life can be managed in thin and light designs. Either way you slice it, our early view of Ryzen Mobile is encouraging with some real bright spots, coupled with a bit of uncertainty as well. We'll just have to see what comes to market from the major players in the months ahead. What's very clear, however, is that AMD is back on competitive footing again with Intel in mobile processors as well, with Ryzen and Vega delivering a solid 1-2 punch.

 

I think that's a pretty good result all told. I look forward to seeing 2700U benches.

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AMD’s James Prior talks (Ry)zen 2 and Vega 11

 

AMD Vega 11 is integrated into Raven Ridge APU

 

The mysterious Vega 11 is not a GPU by itself. It’s a solution for AMD Raven Ridge APUs with 11 Compute Units enabled. James Prior confirmed that Ryzen APUs offer up to 11 Compute Units. So far AMD only released two mobile APU variants, which feature either 8 or 10 CUs (Vega 8/10 Graphics). That said, the chip with 11 Vega Compute Units would be the top tier Raven Ridge APU. No details about desktop APUs have been shared.

 

AMD RX Vega 56 and 64 to receive an increased supply

 

It has been confirmed that RX Vega stocks will be increased shortly. This will allow retailers, such as OverclockersUK, to adjust the price accordingly. Our sources have confirmed that AMD is finally supplying partners with Vega chips, which will allow them to introduce custom SKUs in satisfactory number, while reference designs will no longer be produced.

AMD (Ry)zen 2 will use AM4 socket

 

James Prior reassured that AM4 socket is here to stay (till 2020).

 

The work on Zen 2 has already begun when fundamental parts of Zen 1 were already known. The important thing here is to distinguish Zen 2 from Zen 1 tick-tock process. The upcoming Ryzen 2000 series are likely to use refined Zen+ architecture. A die shrink and architecture optimizations are to be expected. So the Ryzen 2, or more precisely Zen 2 might actually arrive with Ryzen 3000 series, while Ryzen 2000 (or Ryzen 1×50) will use refined Zen1/Zen+ 12nm process instead.

 

If everything goes according to the plan, forward compatibility for Zen+ and Zen2 will be available with a simple BIOS flash on existing AM4 motherboards.

Rumours confirmed. Video interview in the article link

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Yeah, maybe it uses twice as much as the Intels

At least 66% more TDP to operate in. They didn't mention that on their slides or information, that with a cooling solution they approve that the power would go up.

 

But this is a powerful CPU with graphics... so I guess we can't complain too much.

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The company is said to be planning the roll out of Ryzen 2000 Pinnacle Ridge starting with Ryzen 7 in late February, followed by Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 3 in March. The new chips will be manufactured using Globalfoundries’ 12LP “Leading Performance” process node and will feature AMD’s improved Zen+ CPU microarchitecture.
These parts will go against Intel’s upcoming 9000 series, which our sources tell us to expect around June’ish next year. Intel’s 9000 series will bring 8 cores to the mainstream for the very first time and will certainly offer stiffer competition to Ryzen than Coffee Lake has, which has been subject to significant shortages that have dragged out for months.
Very little is known about the microarchitectural side of these new Zen+ parts, although the transition to 12nm will enable higher clock speeds and better power efficiency. Based on the claims touted by Globalfoundries for its 12LP node, we could see Ryzen frequencies pushed to anywhere between 4.2-4.4GHz on the high-end, with a couple to several hundred MHz improvements across the lineup.
The new processors are also said to support higher DDR4 memory frequencies, at least thats what some folks have been whispering into our ears. This is likely due to the performance and power improvements that 12LP brings to the table. Low power and mobile variants of Pinnacle Ridge processors are expected to debut around April and 2nd generation Ryzen Pro parts are set to come out in May.
Wccftech... so...
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Intel's next gen series out around June! No way... that can't be right.

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So the early adopters got burnt again as usual (I suspect the Ryzen 1 series had OC issues all along)

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So the early adopters got burnt again as usual (I suspect the Ryzen 1 series had OC issues all along)

 

I think they got a decent chip... with forwards compatibility... It's Kaby Lake owners who got burnt

AMD Fenghuang APU with 28CU's of Vega graphics and 2GB of HMB2

 

SiSoft has classified it as a Server/Workstation CPU.. but it may be confused as it is an engineering sample.

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AMD's 2nd-gen Ryzen is coming in April, desktop Ryzen APUs arrive February 12

 

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AMD has detailed a whole bunch of stuff that will be coming out this year, covering everything from 2nd-gen Ryzen processors and desktop Ryzen APUs, to new Ryzen Mobile APUs and even discrete mobile Vega GPUs.

 

You’ll probably want to hear about 2nd-generation Ryzen desktop CPUs first, which AMD briefly mentioned during their event. Although we didn’t receive all the details on processor SKUs, performance improvements or pricing, but we did get a launch window: April 2018. 2nd-gen Ryzen will be built on a 12nm process using the Zen+ architecture, which includes minor optimizations to first-gen Zen. AMD did say these new chips will feature higher clock speeds and new boost technologies; both Precision Boost 2 and XFR 2. They also hinted at double digit performance gains, though they weren’t exactly specific on any claims.

 

As AMD promised earlier, 2nd-gen Ryzen will be fully compatible with existing 300-series chipsets, although it will launch alongside new 400-series chipsets. All the key features of 2nd-gen Ryzen will be supported on both platforms, though the 400-series chipset will supposedly allow greater performance, lower power and some new feature additions. Most of the improvements to the 400-series chipsets involve better memory support and greater scope for overclocking, at least from what AMD has said so far.

Further in the future, AMD said the Zen 2 architecture, designed for 7nm, is now complete and on-track for release probably next year, with Zen 3 also on track.

That’s all we have on 2nd-gen Ryzen right now, so clearly AMD will be releasing more information closer to its April 2018 launch date.

 

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The product line AMD was more willing to talk about is desktop Ryzen APUs, codenamed Raven Ridge. You’ll be able to buy an AM4-compatible Ryzen processor with integrated Vega graphics as soon as February 12. In fact, two models will be available at that date: the Ryzen 5 2400G and the Ryzen 3 2200G. These two APUs are pretty crazy in what they offer at a low price point. The Ryzen 5 2400G, for example, has a four core, eight thread CPU clocked at 3.6 GHz with a boost up to 3.9 GHz. It also packs a Vega GPU with 11 compute units, or 704 shader cores, with a base clock of 1240 MHz. You get all of this for just $169, which is only $5 more than the Ryzen 5 1400, yet you get higher CPU clocks out of the box and decent integrated graphics.

 

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The Ryzen 3 2200G is even better value. It offers four CPU cores and four threads clocked at 3.5 GHz with a boost to 3.7 GHz, plus an 8 compute unit Vega GPU, all for $99. That is cheaper than the Ryzen 3 1200, but packs a faster CPU and integrated graphics as well. It sounds pretty strange that both these APUs are cheaper than existing Ryzen CPUs while offering more performance, but that’s the situation.

AMD has shown some performance numbers for both APUs, and the Ryzen 5 2400G in particular is – at least in their testing – as fast as an Intel Core i5-8400 paired with an Nvidia GeForce GT 1030. This makes the Ryzen 5 2400G at least $100 cheaper for the same supposed performance, if not more considering the i5-8400 is rare and still sold at inflated prices. And that’s not to mention the Ryzen 5 2400G’s lower total TDP of just 65W.

 

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These APUs should overclock very well, too. A demo I saw showed the Ryzen 5 2400G hitting 1750 MHz on the GPU with a standard air cooler, and when combined with fast memory, this led to a near 40% uplift in 3DMark Fire Strike performance. Of course, the Ryzen 5 2400G’s CPU is also overclockable, so you could potentially get even more out of this APU when you use the same overclocking techniques as existing Ryzen CPUs.

On top of this, AMD has announced a new box cooler, the Wraith Prism, which features a better fin profile for compact systems, direct copper heatpipe contact with the CPU, and a ton more RGB.

 

Oh, and AMD also made Ryzen CPU price cuts official. We’ve seen reduced Ryzen CPU prices at places like Amazon and Newegg for a while now, but AMD has now officially reduced the price of every Ryzen model to keep them highly competitive with Intel. If these cuts haven’t pushed through to retail just yet, they should be hopefully very soon.

Moving on to the mobile side of things, where AMD also made a bunch of announcements, starting with the launch of Ryzen 3 APUs for mobile systems. These APUs are a continuation of what AMD brought to the table with Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 for mobile, except with lower core/thread counts and lower GPU compute unit counts.

 

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The Ryzen 3 2300U is a four core, four thread part clocked at 2.0 GHz with a 3.4 GHz boost, which from a CPU perspective makes it a slightly lower clocked Ryzen 5 2500U that lacks SMT. It also features a cut-down GPU, moving to six compute units from eight in the Ryzen 5 model. The lower-speced Ryzen 3 2200U rounds out AMD’s line-up, providing a two-core, four-thread CPU at 2.5 GHz boosting up to 3.4 GHz, along with a three compute unit Vega GPU, which should provide CPU and GPU performance around the same levels as Intel’s last-gen parts.

 

The best aspect to Ryzen Mobile and AMD’s latest announcements is we are starting to see AMD get these APUs in laptops people might actually buy. Aside from the HP, Acer and Lenovo systems we’ve already seen, more devices from these OEMs along with the likes of Dell and Asus are in the pipeline. And we will be seeing these chips in a wide range of products: everything from mainstream notebooks to high-end ultraportables, in both 13- and 15-inch form factors. I can’t talk about some of the laptops I’ve seen so far, but it’s clear AMD is getting much better OEM traction with Ryzen Mobile than their previous-gen laptop parts, and even AMD themselves say this APU generation has brought the widest range of consumer ultrathins in the company’s history.

The Ryzen 3 APUs officially launch on January 9th, although it may take a few weeks or months for partner models to hit the market. We should, however, be seeing more Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 laptops in January.

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Noticed the base clock speed on those is only around 2.x Ghz

That's standard. The i7 8550U and 8650U is 1.8 and 1.9 respectively.

 

 

I guess it's to keep power consumption per core down.

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I guess it's to keep power consumption per core down.

Yeah... well it has to fit in that 15W envelope. But they can ramp single core performance right up. Unfortunately these aren't the 12nm refresh so they won't be able to turbo as high or competitively.

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I guess it's to keep power consumption per core down.

Yeah... well it has to fit in that 15W envelope. But they can ramp single core performance right up. Unfortunately these aren't the 12nm refresh so they won't be able to turbo as high or competitively.

 

 

From this - my i7 7700HQ vs those new Intels. They have done well to lower power consumption, but my i7 7700HQ won't be obsolete for a while.

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AMD is deploying a patch for the second Spectre CPU vulnerability

While Intel is at the center of the Spectre/Meltdown fiasco, AMD's chips are also affected by the CPU vulnerabilities. The company previously said that the risk of exploit using variant 2 was near zero due to its chips' architecture. But in its latest announcement, it said that because both variants are still "applicable to AMD processors," it also plans to release patches for the second variant to be absolutely safe. AMD already provided PC manufacturers its fix for the first Spectre version, and Microsoft has begun rolling it out. The chipmaker also said it's working with Redmond to address a problem that delayed the distribution of patches for its older processors.

 

Since the second version of Spectre needs a different fix, AMD will provide its customers and partners for Ryzen and EPYC processors with a patch for its chips starting this week. Firmware updates for its older chips will follow in the coming weeks. If you use Linux, you might get it sooner than you think, since Linux vendors have already started releasing OS patches for the second variant. You might have to wait a bit if you're a Windows user, though, since AMD is still working out distribution timing with Microsoft.

 

Despite deciding to release a patch for version 2, the company reiterated that its chips' architecture will make it very difficult for attackers to use the exploit. It also maintained that Meltdown isn't applicable to AMD chips at all. AMD's processors aren't "susceptible" to Meltdown, the chipmaker wrote, "due to [the company's] use of privilege level protections within paging architecture." Since "no mitigation is required" for variant 3, it won't be creating a patch for the vulnerability.

 

Update: AMD clarified that it never said its chips were not susceptible to variant 2.


AMD slips after Microsoft stops ‘Meltdown’ patches for PCs with its chips

 

Idiots at Microsoft are patching CPU's that don't need patching.. and sending them out to users without lab testing them first.

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To be fair, Microsoft wasn't expecting that many people with those old Athlons out there. I got rid of mine ages ago.

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AMD's next-gen Starship, Mattise CPUs teased in HWINFO

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/60699/amds-next-gen-starship-mattise-cpus-teased-hwinfo/index.html

 

AMD will be having a huge year this year, at least in their CPU department, with the release of their refreshed Ryzen CPUs and new 400-series chipsets in a couple of months. But now news is breaking of their upcoming Starship/Mattise CPUs that will be released late this year and early 2019.

 

HWINFO is now recognizing a bunch of new CPUs, AMD's upcoming 400-series chipset, and even Intel's upcoming Ice Lake-SP platform. AMD's next-gen Starship CPU is going to be a monster, offering a huge 48C/96T of CPU power rocking the refreshed Zen+ or Zen 2 architecture.

 

Yes that's right. Zen 2 chips are seeing initial software support before sampling to partners later this year. AMD on track for 2019 release.

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