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Knowing that an alarm will sound in little more than six hours from now, I've reluctantly laid my trusty Sony reader down.

 

This will be the fifth time I've read Brent Weeks' Lightbringer trilogy (soon to become a tetralogy (damned spellchecker thought I was discussing heart defects. ..)).

 

What's your favourite fantasy series?

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What's your favourite fantasy series?

Fantasy: Magician's Law, Demon's Law, and Death's Law - The tales of Paedur the Bard, by Michael Scott. The man has a deep history with celtic mythology, and carried over the multilayered complexity and deep backstories of his deities when he came to make his own fiction. For my tastes, it's beautifully written - just enough flowery words to be evocative and descriptive, without becoming purple; and the characters in focus follow their own agendas - not necessarily the ones their team buddies think they should have.

 

SF, for all that a lot of people seem to think it's the same thing, is a whole different kettle. No way I could narrow that field to just one series of books. If I could select just one author, however, I might concede to just Larry Niven. With the greatest respect, he's not the most scientifically accurate author around, but I find his stories to be particularly hard to forget. In a good way. ;)

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I've never really had much time for fantasy and totally agree with Cybes that it should not be confused with Science Fiction but so often is.

 

At the moment I'm reading "Starfire," Charles Sheffield, a very hard science author, understandable being he was a scientist, but it's not really holding my attention, have the latest episode of John Scalzi's "Old Man's War" series queued up and Neil Stephenson's "Seveneves" both of which look more appealing.

 

I only discovered yesterday Cybes that Niven has two sequels to "Fleet of Worlds" know if they are any good ?

 

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I only discovered yesterday Cybes that Niven has two sequels to "Fleet of Worlds" know if they are any good ?

Sorry, I have no personal knowledge of them - only recently learned of them myself. Guess you'll have to go by reviews - even the dribble on Amazon isn'ttoo bad a guide once there's a dozen or so.

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Fantasy is pure escapism, totally disjointed from the possible, or possibly could be. Hence the question.

 

I still enjoy Sci-fi but when turning down the covers & anticipating some outrageous dream sequence I tend to prefer Fantasy.

 

Thanks for the heads-up on Scott, Cybes; will give him a lookover.

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:)

 

My very, very limited exposure to fantasy seems to be that it is the same story told over and over but it is just that, very limited exposure.

 

No worries Cybes, I'll undoubtedly get to them anyway, Fleet of Worlds was in the end quite good.

 

Cheers

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My very, very limited exposure to fantasy seems to be that it is the same story told over and over but it is just that, very limited exposure.

If you boil things down far enough, there really are only so many themes to go around: love, revenge, secrecy, war, power... Everything is a mix of those in varying strengths and flavours, and multiple layers of it.

 

That said, even though I'm massively more in favour of SF than Fantasy novels, you're doing the genre an injustice, there. Sure, bad Fantasy tends to do endless variations on the LotR and "save the princess", but... Bad SF does endless repetitions of bug hunts. They're BAD: both examples of poor and unimaginative story telling - and usually bad writing as well.

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:)

 

Oh I know the homily of there are only a very few stories to be told it is how they are told. :)

 

Interesting you mention bad writing, I've just joined the Kindle world which leads to being an unpaid reviewer for "Goodreads" so decided to have a look around and see what the armchair critics have to say about some of my favorite books.

 

Apparently Larry Niven cannot write, cannot do female characters and is boring, RAH was a dirty old man but Samuel Delaney wrote a masterpiece in Dhalgren :)

 

Niven tells a story, I do think he does it better in the company of Pournelle but he has quite enough awards to suggest he tells a story well. RAH was once thought of as a prude, until "Stranger" but he was never exactly X rated, Delaney was, in fact one of his other novels totally is but Dhalgren is not far off. :)

 

I had a think about fantasy novels, the only ones that really stick in my mind that I have read are LotR, Glory Road and the Dragon and the George. I've started a number of others, never finished them.

 

Cheers

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Apparently Larry Niven cannot write, cannot do female characters and is boring, RAH was a dirty old man but Samuel Delaney wrote a masterpiece in Dhalgren :)

 

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I had a think about fantasy novels, the only ones that really stick in my mind that I have read are LotR, Glory Road and the Dragon and the George. I've started a number of others, never finished them.

 

Yeah... Critics... Honestly, they ain't worth shit when talking about authors/actors/musicians/film-makers. But when you get fans of the dude in question, talking about stuff that person has done..? Get a dozen or so of them together and you can get a sketch to judge whether you're going to like it or not. Well, imo, anyway.

(BTW: Dahlgren was half a great book, and half dreck, imho. For all that it was mostly engrossing, when finished you were left wondering "WTF was that all about?" I have a copy, and have read it twice - I'm still asking that question.)

 

As to the Fantasy novels... Perhaps you should try the series I mentioned to Wolfe, too: dude becomes the warrior (of words, since he's a bard) for the Old Gods against the New Religion. Celtic/Greeks-style pantheons, of deities that actually occasionally turn up in person to Sort Things Out in typical nuclear nutcracker fashion; Gods of major fuckage like War and Death, and also small gods of morning dew or quiet places. I think if you like LN/LN+JP and RAH, you'd probably like MS's writing style, even if the story itself was not to your taste.

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Hmm,

 

Put like that sounds worth a try once my to-read pile shrinks a bit.

 

I've read Dahgren a couple of times as well, with the same question at the end, may have to get to it again one day. It is a book that was written to produce that reaction I imagine but his earlier stuff always seemed to have much more to say.

 

Cheers

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I'm going to be the immature one and say the Harry Potter series.

While her writing is simple, there is enough detail to describe a scene without disabling your imagination.

 

I went through my hardest vision difficulties when the last book came out, so being able to read them on my new KOBO is a godsend.

Not to mention, with pottermore, and a few side works, Rowling continues to 'expand' the world I grew up reading, with now characters and places.

 

Discworld series and Hitchhikers guide to teh galaxy series are OK too, they just dont brighten my heart.

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Nothing, unfortunately. I was going to use this downtime to get through the massive pile of stuff in the "yet to be read" bookcase, but the Oxycodone is making reading all but impossible. I started Foundation, but by the time I got to the end of the first paragraph I'd forgotten what happened at the start. I'll go back to it when I'm off this horrible shit.

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I'm going to be the immature one and say the Harry Potter series.

 

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Discworld series and Hitchhikers guide to teh galaxy series are OK too, they just dont brighten my heart.

 

Interesting. For me it's the polar opposite. I find the HP stuff to be...well, fluff, really - entertaining enough, but not inspiring or particularly original. Those, otoh, are so completely original they're like watching Magic Roundabout after dropping acid and a cone or two. And they make your face ache!

 

 

 

...the Oxycodone is making reading all but impossible. I started Foundation, but by the time I got to the end of the first paragraph I'd forgotten what happened at the start. I'll go back to it when I'm off this horrible shit.

 

Uurgh - been there, dude: you have my sympathy. Well, not oxy, it was something else, but the brainfog was the same.

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Yeah, Oxycodone is way, way spacey, no way to concentrate on that stuff.

 

Take it easy dis.

 

 

Cheers

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From my days of smoking weed I can honestly say that a strong indica would do the same job, only with no side effects, and I could still function at 100% mental capacity. Close to 100%, anyway. But that's a whole other thread.

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;)

 

But that's illegal, it's perfectly okay for the profession to prescribe an opiate but not that terrible marijuana stuff ;)

 

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;)

 

But that's illegal, it's perfectly okay for the profession to prescribe an opiate but not that terrible marijuana stuff ;)

 

Cheers

I know, right. Meanwhile, over 600 people are dead because of this shit. That's just in the last couple of years, and only in Australia. The world wide death toll for weed over the history of the planet. Zero. I know everyone knows this stuff, it's just frustrating how it's ok to force this poison on me but I can't get some nice weed to do the same thing, only better, and not harm myself. I'll stop offtracking now.

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My very, very limited exposure to fantasy seems to be that it is the same story told over and over but it is just that, very limited exposure.

If you boil things down far enough, there really are only so many themes to go around: love, revenge, secrecy, war, power...

 

 

 

... Larry Niven cannot write, cannot do female characters and is boring,

 

 

 

 

As to the Fantasy novels... Perhaps you should try the series I mentioned to Wolfe, too: dude becomes the warrior (of words, since he's a bard) for the Old Gods against the New Religion. Celtic/Greeks-style pantheons, of deities that actually occasionally turn up in person to Sort Things Out in typical nuclear nutcracker fashion; Gods of major fuckage like War and Death, and also small gods of morning dew or quiet places. I think if you like LN/LN+JP and RAH, you'd probably like MS's writing style, even if the story itself was not to your taste.

 

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Please read Brent Week's Night Angel trilogy & the current Lightbringer trilogy (which is possibly another HHGTTG, a trilogy of five; but definitely a Tetralogy sometime next August).

 

As to Lightbringer:

 

Can do female characters that are NOT boring.

 

“[D]eities that actually occasionally turn up in person,” albeit humans that transform into deities.

 

Visceral "..major fuckage like War and Death" in every other chapter dealt out liberally by Warriors wielding Mughal Empire weapons & light waves transformed into physical, usable, personally designed weapons and/or artifacts.

 

Espionage & politics that would make most IA’s nervous.

 

The list goes on.

 

I will submit that Brent does waffle occasionally to set the scene, or over-explain a nuance, but it’s bearable because some may not pick up the thread immediately and require a guide down his conceptual path.

 

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Yeah, Oxycodone is way, way spacey, no way to concentrate on that stuff.

 

Take it easy dis.

 

 

Cheers

I've popped enough Oxycodone in the last year to make a drug lord prosperous; did little to alleviate the consistent pangs.

 

BHO mixed with Honey Oil & CBD in a vape pen is, to put it very mildly, breath-takingly Fucking AAA splendid.

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Currently reading Silverthorn again. - The 2nd book in the riftwar saga - but probably everyone here knows that :p

 

I really enjoyed Brent Weeks Night Angel trigology. It's the best series I've read to completion in the last few years. Simple words, good imagery. Easy reading

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I really enjoyed Brent Weeks Night Angel trigology. It's the best series I've read to completion in the last few years. Simple words, good imagery. Easy reading

 

The Night angel series was good, could never get into the Lightbringer series though.

 

Finishing up LOTR (again) and have been recommended Rangers Apprentice so will be starting on that.

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Currently reading Silverthorn again. - The 2nd book in the riftwar saga

 

I guess bumping this from almost 2 years ago works..

 

Re-reading Raymond E. Feist's Magician atm (1st read it & it's series in the late 80's, then again several years later or something I think).

 

Enjoying revisiting it now, the Revised edition with more content re-added which was originally culled etc.

Quite like the extra details, and some parts I think Feist shouldv'e expanded/detailed even more, though it is a lengthy novel as is.

 

Almost finished, have burnt through it pretty fast, will get straight into Silverthorn after, then A Darkness at Sethanon to finish the Saga.

 

Have read a heap of Dragonlance stuff ages ago (range of authors & settings).. Really enjoyed:

- R.A. Salvatore's Dark Elf & Icewind Dale triolgies + other stuff,

- Eddings' Belgariad & Malloreon series + other stuff,

- Terry Brooks earlier stuff (Original Shannara trilogy, Heritage and a few others)

 

Will have to check out some Brent Weeks stuff after browsing this.

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:)

 

I never seem to read just one thing at a time.

 

I'm currently nearing the end of the latest Jack Ryan by Mark Gleaney, not very good TBH, but I'm also reading "The Last Man on the Moon" which is pretty good, some superhero thing Middy left here, which is amusing, a couple of tech manuals -dead boring, of course, and I have no idea how many mags -they just pile in the door :)

 

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"Red Tide", by Larry Niven and two new authors I can't remember. Dude must be 100 by now, but he still writes the same way.

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