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seems amd isnt the only one with problems

 

NVIDIA GTX 1080 Founders Edition Owners Complain of Fan Revving Issues
VIDIA's decision to sell its reference-design GeForce GTX 1080 graphics card at a $100 premium over the SKU's MSRP of $599, is beginning develop cracks, with early adopters complaining of erratic default fan behavior. The GTX 1080 Founders Edition graphics card features NVIDIA's reference lateral-blower-type cooler, which didn't exactly blow us away, in our review of the card. Customers across the forumscape, including on NVIDIA's own GeForce Forums, are complaining of an issue where the fan of the cooler has a mind of its own, and revs up from 2,000 RPM to 3,000 RPM intermittently, and drops back to its idle speed. This, users complain, is particularly annoying if you're not gaming.

The users observe that these sudden and unpredictable spikes in fan-speed are not in response to rising GPU temperatures or clock speeds. Sudden variations in fan-speed are worse than gradual variations in response to legitimate triggers, as it also means sudden changes in noise, which is distracting. Users also observe that you can't even use third-party software (eg: EVGA Precision) to stabilize or override the fan-behavior, as the speed-spikes don't respect custom settings.

 

 

GeForce GTX "Pascal" Faces High DVI Pixel Clock Booting Problems
The second design flaw to hit the GeForce GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 after the fan revving bug, isn't confined to the reference "Founders Edition" cards, but affects all GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 cards. Users of monitors with dual-link DVI connectors are noticing problems in booting to Windows with pixel clocks set higher than 330 MHz. You can boot to windows at default pixel clocks, and when booted, set the refresh-rates (and conversely pixel clocks) higher than 330 MHz, and the display works fine, it's just that you can't boot with those settings, and will have to revert to default settings each time you shut down or restart your machine.

A user of a custom-design GTX 1070 notes that if the refresh rate of their 1440p monitor is set higher than 81 Hz (the highest refresh rate you can achieve with pixel clock staying under 330 MHz) and the resolution at 2560 x 1440, the machine doesn't correctly boot into Windows. The splash screen is replaced with flash color screens, and nothing beyond. The system BIOS screen appears correctly (because it runs at low resolutions). The problem is also said to be observed on a custom-design GTX 1080, and has been replicated by other users on the GeForce Forums.

 

 

Nvidia GTX 1080 and 1070 Display Ports don't work with HTC Vive
In another tale of hardware not quite working as expected, there are reports that the Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 and 1070 Display Port doesn't work with the HTC Vive virtual reality headset. Nvidia markets both the GTX 1080 and 1070 as offering "innovative new gaming technologies and breakthrough VR experiences," so to have this compatibility problem exist, with the best selling PC HMD, seems like a bit of a blunder.

 

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The GeForce GTX 1060 will sport 1280 CUDA cores with a GPU Boost clock speed rated at 1.7 GHz. Though the card will be available in only 6GB varieties, the reference / Founders Edition will ship with 6GB of GDDR5 memory running at 8.0 GHz / 8 Gbps. With 1280 CUDA cores, the GP106 GPU is essentially one half of a GP104 in terms of compute capability. NVIDIA decided not to cut the memory interface in half though, instead going with a 192-bit design compared to the GP104 and its 256-bit option.

 

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founders edition $299us non reference $249us

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1060-Preview-Pascal-GP106

 

gtx980- 4g 4.61- TFLOPS 224 GB/s 165 watts

rx-- 480 8g 5.1-- TFLOPS 256 GB/s 150 watts

gtx1060 6g 3.85 TFLOPS 192 GB/s 120 watts

gtx 970 3.5g 3.4 TFLOPS 192 GB/s 145 watts

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Nearly bought the 1070 today but I could not really use that much of a card with my res and the price is still higher than it should. If price were where it should be then I would have got one... Then I was like I'll get the reference 480 with 4gb to try the flash lottery and get 4gb for free, but there's no stock or super expensive. The 480 is a side grade really for the fun... The 1060 seems like the right in between (so far) but the release date feels so far out, FE prices and availability when 1st released might be hard to get one.

 

Basically I should have kept my card and waited even if I got a crap price for my is used later on

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$649.00 Gainward GeForce GTX1070 8Gb DDR5 Phoenix : stock-dot-OO.gif More stock on the way.
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shame most cards are $750-850

 

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although if this is anything to go by soon could mean 1-2 months away

http://www.pc-tek.com.au/gainward-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-phoenix-8gb-graphics-card

NEXT BATCH ETA: August-2016

atleast it sounds like it has a decent vrm with 8 phase DrMOS which is whats used on the asus strix

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bit bigger than the r9 nano looks more like the gtx970 mini

15.5 cm x 11.0 cm nano

17 cm x 12.19 cm mini

but then i havent really seen any cases small enough to make good use of ether most of the smallest cases still have room for long gpu

 

looks like reference rx 480 is capable of ~1.5ghz on water

https://youtu.be/Jq47qmwcus8

 

so while non reference models should oc well it does seem the gpu has a bit of leakage at higher v increasing power use significantly

 

rx 480 non reference have started popping up with huge pcb and hsf suggesting there power use will be a bit higher

so far they seem to be going with a single 8 pin pci-e

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-480-custom-models/

MSI-Radeon-RX-480-Gaming-X-Twin-Frozr-VI
MSI-Radeon-RX-480-Gaming-X_1.jpg

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Do you think AMD will have better dx12 and vulkan performance vs Nvidia? Sticking it out till the 1060 release and some custom 480, but wondering if the 480 would be more future proof and 1060 for better dx11 with fair dx12 / vulkan?

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The 480 definitely has more room for improvement than the nVidia offering!

 

What sways me to the red team are: Vulkan is OS agnostic, dx12 is Windows; Freesynch is simpler and cheaper to implement than the nVidia thing; and WattMan looks to be a very comprehensive package compared to nVidia's offering.

 

Being considerably cheaper definitely doesn't hurt, either! Game hardware changes so fast and gets swapped out so often than cost is a significant factor. Admittedly, then 10?0 cards are quite a bit more capable in hard numbers, but AMD's offerings appear more than capable of handling the current and immediately upcoming crop for a LOT less.

 

Assuming they fix it's teething troubles.

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gtx1060 6g is out $430-500 with reference gtx980 performance

~5-6w idle ~120w gaming

seems to be very limited stock

 

shame there is still no non reference rx 480 reviews for comparison

 

a interesting look into vulkan performance gains in doom

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-doom-vulkan-patch-shows-game-changing-performance-gains

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So I gave myself a hard date of the "19th" that I would buy a new card as Im without one (kids remember to keep what you got until you get something new!).... Wanted the custom 480 but even reference is limited and have not seen any yet beside pics... Plus, red team might have some better dx12/vulcan performance. Then, I went to buy the gtx 1060 since they came out with custom version day one and many were sold out even though I was trying here and there throughout the day. The ones I was seeing were high, as the msrp priced ones went quick.

 

I was able to find the most generic looking and the cheapest Ive seen of a 1070 for $389US, as the cooler looks not any better than the FE version, Asus Turbo GTX 1070. I bought it since some of the 1060 were $300US and figured even if it dont OC it seemed like a good buy. I dont even know the vrm or phase it has yet. I just hope it is not too loud...

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I was able to find the most generic looking and the cheapest Ive seen of a 1070 for $389US, as the cooler looks not any better than the FE version, Asus Turbo GTX 1070. I bought it since some of the 1060 were $300US and figured even if it dont OC it seemed like a good buy. I dont even know the vrm or phase it has yet. I just hope it is not too loud...

nice it wasnt available when i grabbed a evga 1070 ~$590au + post

international warranty thats transferable on sale has to be worth something though if i decide to replace it in 6 months

mine will go on water right away with any luck

 

i doubt its vrm will be any less than reference and all cards seem to hit ~2000mhz limit regardless of vrm

although due to a single 8 pin connector and 150w tdp limit on the cards our average boost clock may spend a bit more time below the max than one with two power connectors

the up side is the reference cards seem to use a fair bit less power than the likes of the msi for the tiny bit of higher average boost speed

 

you may find this interesting

Extreme OC modifications for EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 FE

https://xdevs.com/guide/pascal_oc/

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Thx for the link. It's been awhile since I've been this excited about new hardware and would have been just as excited for the 480 if I went that route. New card from both camps seems great. Might look into a universal block if this blower is loud, I like how I can control a 4 pin fan off the GPU though. Probably do the side fan

 

Edit: Looks like the turbo doesnt have the extra pwm... just the upper models...

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nice feature it would be great for a fan over vrm with a universal block if it was controlled by gpu\vrm temp

my fan works fairly well using speed fan of gpu temp these days just have to make sure i dont swap displays to igp for some reason when the igp takes over the temp probe on the gpu stops working in speed fan till the program is restarted

 

evga was advertising they were using low wattage fans to increase performance as they counted towards the cards total tdp limit with gtx970\980 cards restricting boost clocks

im guessing asus has increased the tdp or separated the fans with there vrm on the 1070

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Did a few quick tests, below is stacked or basically I added to from stock tiered down to test the core clock reactions:

 

Stock / Fan Curve 25-75%

1785-1810mhz

 

Power Limit 112% / Core Voltage +100

1835-1848mhz

 

Core Clock +100

1936 - 1974mhz

 

Core Clock +150

~2025mhz

 

Core Clock +175

~2050mhz

 

3dmark11: 26479 +150c / +500m (cpu @ 4.7 or 4.9 cant remember but can check later)

Time Spy: 6037 +185c / +400 (cpu @ 4.9ghz)

Firestrike: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/13617692 +150c / +500m (cpu @4.7)

 

When benching the above doesnt stay flat lined and was trying different setting while writing them down. When running bf4 the clock at +150 stays at a near constant at 2025mhz... But that depends on the level. Sometimes with say +150c in bf4 its at 2025 then others its kinda goes up or down even if I move it up to +200. The core tops out at around 2076mhz it seems, but cant keep it there, it throttles down. The memory is crazy though, so far I have not tried over +500 or what Afterburner shows 4498. I like to use 3dmark11 for the memory tests and so far no snow in the water :) The thing holding the core is the power limit it seems. If I flashed to a bios that had a limit of 125% I think the core would flatten more. The vcore is another thing that isnt holding steady but it again seems like the power limit holding the vcore down since it hits that and throttles.

 

The blower is loud and can be heard over my fans after 55%. I like to run it up to 75% to keep temps at 70c or lower when gaming with bf4 for example. Really though when gaming with headphones it not a huge issue, plus the case sits to the left of me which helps. Need to do some more gaming tests but it not even showing any problems with bf4 with vsync its constantly at 144 fps. It just crazy how fast this thing is though for the price. Looking at the benchmarks, the Firestrike score is nearly as high as when I had sli Titans (Graphics score 23281 vs 20439)

 

Ill be doing more test but wanted to give quick impression of the card.

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thanks for the info

latest info on my 1070

Carson, CA, US

Saturday, July 23, 2016 8:39:53 AM (PT) DEPARTED FROM EXPORT FACILITY

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Looks like you will get yours soon :) Im betting yours will run quite cool out of the box compared to my blower fan.

 

All in all Im extremely happy with this card so far. Even at all stock it runs around 1800mhz. If I keep the fan at stock it gets up to around 79c but is quiet. I can turn the side case fan up, but then it nearly the same difference as just turning the blower up. I cannot hear any coil whine under full load.

 

I guess the biggest con is that the core clock seems to be limited by the power limit. If it was set to 120-130%, it would open the card up more. I might check for an bios editor.

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there was talk of people flashing a asus bios to any 1070 cards that lifted the power limits

can you tell from the back of your pcb how many vrm you have?

 

this one has 4+1 phase rated for 150w max

the sc still has 4+1 but is rated for 170w

the ftw has 8+8 pin pci-e 10+2 phases & a 215w limit

but there still limited to 112% powertune so im not sure exactly how that works yet

considering it wasnt much extra maybe i should have spent the extra but maybe it would have just used more power and not overclocked any better

seems the ftw also has dual bios

 

looking at reviews on newegg the evga cards do run cool n quiet on stock cooling

 

may swap back to the evga gpu block as although it will mess up my loop order a little with it needing its inlet on the wrong side it should provide lower temps

 

edit

update thismorning

Melbourne, AU

Wednesday, July 27, 2016 12:01:00 AM (EST) ARRIVED AT DESTINATION COUNTRY

 

so there is a chance it will arrive tomorrow as post typically takes 2-3 days from melb cant remember if import customs adds extra delays though

 

looks like im waiting till next week :(

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I'm a bit surprised that the custom 480 are not out yet. 470 seems a bit high on cost considering the 4g 480.

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pccg has some custom xfx rx 480 listed ~$430 there just out of stock eta for more is the 17th

price for the 470 does seem a bit high considering rx 480 4g was $319 its just there is no stock of them

pccg has rx 470 listed at $299 but again no stock till the 18th

 

all new cards seem to be low on stock at the moment

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I think the stock problem is just the fact that we tend to get the short stick in terms of priority. Most of the time, majority goes to the US and Asia as the gaming market is much larger there. We tend to be grouped last as our market is too small to justify sending large amounts to. The last I remember in working at a distie, we had only 1 box of the latest cards which was probably enough for 1 week before another 3 month wait.

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