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Master_Scythe

A lament for Flash

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You know what I remember about Flash the most? It being a massive fucking CPU whore.

 

Now, when I was a kid, it was all about Amigas and pretty much fixed hardware and making the most of it, none of this 'oh flash is cool, lets make people literally have to upgrade their computer because we're going to grind everything to a halt' business.

 

You know what Amigas had? Deluxe Paint, motherfuckers. That shit was the best sprite painting and animation tool in it's day. There's not even anything like it anymore - for good reason. People and technology moved on. But if I want to go back and use it, I still can.

 

You can go back and use flash, too, except now you're complaining that... you can't on some platforms? You want to know why flash websites like albinoblacksheet and newgrounds are still predominantly flash? Is it because migrating it all to a new platform would be a waste of time? And also potentially against licences with the content creators?

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You know what I remember about Flash the most? It being a massive fucking CPU whore.

 

Now, when I was a kid, it was all about Amigas and pretty much fixed hardware and making the most of it, none of this 'oh flash is cool, lets make people literally have to upgrade their computer because we're going to grind everything to a halt' business.

 

You know what Amigas had? Deluxe Paint, motherfuckers. That shit was the best sprite painting and animation tool in it's day. There's not even anything like it anymore - for good reason. People and technology moved on. But if I want to go back and use it, I still can.

 

You can go back and use flash, too, except now you're complaining that... you can't on some platforms? You want to know why flash websites like albinoblacksheet and newgrounds are still predominantly flash? Is it because migrating it all to a new platform would be a waste of time? And also potentially against licences with the content creators?

 

 

That's a good example actually; Sprites (usually for .ico files) are a key part of programming and building an application.

If it was the best, and nothing is like it anymore, then by all means be mad!

I always enjoyed the sprite editor in RPG-maker-2000 (RM2K), but now I'll have to look into Deluxe Paint.

I really enjoy sprite art, so I'm always on the lookout.

 

See I only got into computers when the 'norm' was a Pentium II 233mhz, so "being a CPU hog" was never a problem for me\flash.

By the time I got to high school, the common computer was a P2 333mhz with MMX, so it just laughed at flash, never even getting over 10% CPU.

Its starting to sound like I'm really the only one who never had a problem downloading an SWF and just enjoying the content.

I can see why it's Bias if that's the case.

 

Flash was a DOG when they started trying to push youtube through it, my god, but that was a real hack-around.

Porn-websites that used flash didnt have a problem streaming video reliably, it was some bullshit google\youtube was doing.

 

Im still trying to find a content creator where I can drag and drop\draw frame by frame as simply.

If there's a modern day competitor, by all means, link it up!

 

 

EDIT: I may have just proven myself wrong with that 'no simple tools' point....

Adobe has renamed 'Flash' to 'Animate' and is advertising "HTML5" as a media format.

I've never tried it, but has anyone? Did Adobe actually move with the times (GASP!) and bring their 'flash' tool INTO the HTML5 generation and I missed it?

I still think HTML5 is harder to cache than flash, SWF files are king, but that's about the only thing I can say if its as simple as "Design it in flash, export to HTML5"

Anyone use 'Animate'?

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Atari ST had a program called Cyber Paint. Not sure if it was on any other platform.

For it's time, pretty powerful (remembering most computers had 1 Meg or less Ram to play with). It could do full motion animation and saved space/time by having each subsequent frame compressed as a series of RLL and XOR with current data.

Sure, you'd probably have struggled to get much over 20 seconds of useful animation going on but for it's time little could match it.

 

As for modern graphical programs etc being CPU whores - half the problem is we have these nice shiny graphics cards and they have little or nothing to do with accelerating the rendering process.


Some of this is probably by other means...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX_GOOXNMCY

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Straight raw flash for video usage may've been mostly ok. But I had to ditch my Athlon 500 because the web was virtually unusable thanks to flash ads. I had similar issues, later on, with my Athlon 2600 or something.

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These days all that junk can cripple a high end i7 - doesn't help much at all that browsers are still mostly single-threaded.

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These days all that junk can cripple a high end i7 - doesn't help much at all that browsers are still mostly single-threaded.

 

but it was solved pretty quickly with the "click to activate plugin" option.

So you only load the main content you want.

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EDIT: I may have just proven myself wrong with that 'no simple tools' point....

Adobe has renamed 'Flash' to 'Animate' and is advertising "HTML5" as a media format.

I've never tried it, but has anyone? Did Adobe actually move with the times (GASP!) and bring their 'flash' tool INTO the HTML5 generation and I missed it?

 

​yeah, seems like you did. even when posted to you in your own damn thread http://forums.atomicmpc.com.au/index.php/topic/57976-a-lament-for-flash/?do=findComment&comment=1188544

​btw, what sort of thing do you personally want to create?

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EDIT: I may have just proven myself wrong with that 'no simple tools' point....

Adobe has renamed 'Flash' to 'Animate' and is advertising "HTML5" as a media format.

I've never tried it, but has anyone? Did Adobe actually move with the times (GASP!) and bring their 'flash' tool INTO the HTML5 generation and I missed it?

 

​yeah, seems like you did. even when posted to you in your own damn thread http://forums.atomicmpc.com.au/index.php/topic/57976-a-lament-for-flash/?do=findComment&comment=1188544

​btw, what sort of thing do you personally want to create?

 

 

Sorry for that, I completely misunderstood what it was. and was too dismissive.

 

I did genuinely have a google for those tool names, but I didn't look far enough when you said it was "written from the ground up";

Even though it's not true from a coding point of view, its more like 'Flash had other formats added' to the end user perspective.

If I'd have seen screenshots, I'd have thanked you sooner!

 

It's not so much what I want to create, as much as I don't want my most consumed form of media to go away. Web Content is by far my most consumed, and of that, "Flash Animators" usually the most witty and skilled at the comedy I enjoy.

Some youtubers get it right, but they're few and far between, newgrounds will always be the "top 10" for me.

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