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Hi,

 

It has been 3 years since I last updated my PC and about 6 years since the original build and between now and then I have stopped following all the latest PC components and now feel a little out of my depth jumping back on looking to buy parts.

 

The old rig consists of:

 

PSU: Corsair 750W

RAM: 4 GB 1333 MHZ DDR3

MOB: ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3

GPU: ATI 5870

HDD: 2TB WD 7200RPM

CPU: i5-2500K

 

Water Cooled

 

I want to be able to play BF1, Battlegrounds and other similar FPS games.

 

I currently run at 1900 x 1080 and don't have a 4K monitor but would be something I will consider in the future...

 

What I was hoping to do was to upgrade a couple of parts to get things up-to-speed for the least amount of $$$ - mortgage and house renovations take precedents.

 

My thought process is...

 

GPU: 1060 (6GB) - should provide sufficient future proofing ($470) note: would it be better just going for the 3GB and save $100?

CPU: OC the current i5-2500K to 3.7 to 4.0 GHz ($0)

RAM: add 4GB ($100)

HDD: Would like to upgrade to SSD however don't believe my Mobo is compatible... ($150)

MOB: No change

PSU: No change

 

All up the upgrade would cost: $720 max assuming going with the 6GB version of the 1060 and being able to use a SSD. If I was to go with the 3GB version and no SSD I would be looking to spending only ~$450.

 

Do you think this is the best use of the money?

 

I'm just conscious that if I upgrade the motherboard, I need new DDR4 RAM plus a new CPU so am looking at another $500. I would certainly look to upgrade these components but would be later down the track.

 

Please bear in mind, I don't intend on upgrading my monitor at the moment (will upgrade in the future) so am only running a 1900 x 1080 resolution.

 

Thanks in advance!

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I agree with all of that, 110%.

Your motherboard is totally compatible with a SATA SSD, I'd recommend a Samsung EVO series.

If, however, you want some speed, and a lot of storage, Get one of the new Seagate FireCuda drives :)

 

Keep in mind, in the long term, you probably want at least a 1070 to be 4K 'safe'.

Edited by Master_Scythe

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thats a lot to spend on a 1060

you can get a evga 1070 8g from newegg for under $600 delivered which i feel is better value

mind you this still wont run 4k well maybe at 20-40fps

even a 1080ti will only handle 4k at ~40-60fps

 

im guessing your looking at a 2x4g kit of some higher speed ram like 2400c11 at $100?

the faster ram will help cpu performance a bit but you wont be able to set it over 2133 on your system and spending cash on ddr3 is kinda a dead end with ddr4 being what you will need in a new system

maybe try your luck with a secondhand single 4g stick of 1333 for ~$10-30 and adding it to the existing

 

your mb will work fine with a ssd you have two sata3 ports and four sata2 ports

crucial mx300 275g and 525g are good value options but samsung evo are also good offering a longer warranty

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Thanks Master_Scythe & Dasa for your prompt responses.

 

When I get home tonight I will double check all of my specs and work out exactly which parts I'm looking to get an will post back up on here for final review.

 

Cheers fellas!

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In order of priority I'd be going:

 

1. Graphics card - 1060 sounds good.

1. RAM - (virtually equal priority) these days 4 Gig is a bit on the povvo side, a minimum of 8 Gig is a good idea, if you can buy 8 and have 12 then all the better.

 

3. SSD will help general zippiness but little point having a game that loads fast if it stutters due to lack of Ram or slideshows due to crappy graphics card.

 

Shop around - realistically you should be aiming for mid-high $300s for the graphics card, around $80 for the Ram and about $140 for a 250 Gig Samsung Evo 850.

i5-2500K isn't too shabby - really your only deficiencies with the older Core i generations is stuff like not as good FP performance, and lack of or less USB3, Sata3, and usually running older PCIe revision.

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Ok, so it just goes to show how long it has been since I actually looked closely at my computer...

 

I actually have 2 x GTX560 Ti running in SLI and 8GB of HyperX 1600 RAM.

 

According to the battlegrounds website, I should be able to run the game on high - ultra settings at 1900 x 1080 resolution...

 

I just had never bought the game or Battlefield as I didn't think I had a chance of running it.

 

While I will definitely get the SSD, I'm going to see how the two old cards hold up. I'll let you know how I go.

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Yeah SLI doesn't scale as well as it used to... well... it never really did :P

Give it a go, you should be able to play on medium-low, but I think you'll still want a GTX 1070, asap.

 

As for SSD, don't rule out the FireCuda if you want a fast but cheap drive with storage. The tests are quite astonishing.

 

But yes, if budget is no issue, massive SSD for the bloody win!

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most 560ti only had 1g vram and sli wont help this

even cards with 2g are struggle these days

low texture detail will help with this but yuck

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I'd definitely recommend a GTX1070 if you're looking to go ultra HD in the future

 

Or you could wait to see what Vega's performance ends up being.... but the 1070 is a proven beast of a card

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So...

 

Finally got SLI working.

 

First I upgraded to Windows 10 but than ran into an issue that the CPU wasn't supported and finally worked out I had to tweak a setting in the BIOS for it to recognise the CPU. Then updated all the drivers to only find SLI was still not working - different windows area this time. After a bit of research, a BIOS reset solved the problem and SLI was back in action.

 

With a lot of excitement, I cranked up Battlegrounds to only find everything very lagging on pretty much the lowest settings *sigh*

 

Now I am left with no other option but to upgrade.

 

Think I will just go for the GTX 1060 due to the price point.

 

I am also considering going with the upgrade to a SSD. What is the process of installing Window on the SSD? Is there a new way to transfer the operating system over easily or is a fresh install the only option? Reason I ask is I no longer have my Windows 7 install disc and don't fancy lashing out another $100+ on an operating system.

 

Thanks

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So...

 

Finally got SLI working.

 

First I upgraded to Windows 10 but than ran into an issue that the CPU wasn't supported and finally worked out I had to tweak a setting in the BIOS for it to recognise the CPU. Then updated all the drivers to only find SLI was still not working - different windows area this time. After a bit of research, a BIOS reset solved the problem and SLI was back in action.

 

With a lot of excitement, I cranked up Battlegrounds to only find everything very lagging on pretty much the lowest settings *sigh*

 

Now I am left with no other option but to upgrade.

 

Think I will just go for the GTX 1060 due to the price point.

 

I am also considering going with the upgrade to a SSD. What is the process of installing Window on the SSD? Is there a new way to transfer the operating system over easily or is a fresh install the only option? Reason I ask is I no longer have my Windows 7 install disc and don't fancy lashing out another $100+ on an operating system.

 

Thanks

You some hard drive cloning software can transfer the data from and HDD to suit an SSD... but I'm not sure how much of a difference it actually makes as the cache knows where everything is located anyway.

 

However, I would copy your CD key and put it away somewhere. Did it come with your Win10 upgrade?

 

You can download a Win10 installer and run it to turn a blank flash drive into an installer. Then just enter your key in the install, and you'll be installing it fresh on the SSD. Also if this fails or doesn't work in any way.. you still have your HDD with the current install to fall back on.

 

As far as the GPU goes.. is there no chance of waiting for AMD's GPU's to launch? Whether you can afford them or not.. it may lower the cost of the nVidia GPU range.

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There's keyfinder software around which can extract your product keys for OS and common programs and games that use them. Not sure if any is free though, some of the commercial ones have trials but generall that means they'll fill in parts with ****

 

There's also a cloning method where you port certain files/directories over from an activated existing Windows install to a fresh one but it's very much of a kludge and I'd not recommend it.

 

There's clone/backup software which is almost fully functional in trial mode and I've used Aomei plenty of times to move system drives around http://www.backup-utility.com/

Problem is it seems to neglect to copy the boot sector across but you can solve that by booting Windows to command line from some install media then write the boot sector manually - guide https://neosmart.net/wiki/bootsect/

 

If you need a Windows licence, a great place to get them is off computer wreckers on eBay. I've recently gotten 10 Pro and 7 Ultimate, total cost about $20 combined. You get the product key but only a link to download the install ISO.

 

You can download practically any MS product install ISO for free but they seem to stipulate you need to own something to get the link. Ways around this aplenty, it seems the actual link rotates per day or something but a good tool is Windows ISO Downloader. Be sure to grab it from a reputable source like http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/microsoft_windows_iso_download_tool.html

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Good one... I might have seen it in the past but forgotten. Just tried on my MBP which has no SLIC in the Bios and therefore requires a retail licence key which I entered back in May.

The returned key matches my installed one perfectly.

 

ed - have to mention though, although these freebies are usually free of virus/malware they will often have ads, or try to direct you to websites to buy other stuff, or otherwise occasionally have annoyware behaviour. I think it's one of the Disk Partition wizards that's a potential worry, for whatever reason it installs a Windows Service which really you have to question the need for.

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Thanks everyone for the help. Will give it a go.

 

I'm a big fan of Gumtree and have been looking at a couple of parts today.

 

Picking a 16GB (2x 8GB) Kit of HyperX 1600MHz DDR3 for $70 this afternoon, think that is a pretty good deal. Not sure if I should add this to the current 8GB to make it 24 GB or am I better off selling the current 2 x 4GB as 24GB is overkill?

 

Can pick up a GTX1070 for around $500. Do you think that is good value? Really beginning to think of waiting for the Vega 56 to be released. Can't justify spending the money to pick one up new but should put downward pressure on the used GTX1070 market.

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8 Gig DDR3 realistically is worth about 40 bucks tops on the 2nd hand market so it's a case of do you need the money?

 

I'm on 24 Gig ATM after previous 16 and 20 Gig configurations (prev machine has 6 slots, triple-channel).

For the most part you won't notice the difference over 16 unless you're using lots of memory hungry applications at once, think big Photoshop or Gimp session, a game or two and other memory hungry stuff.

Really for me what stands out is the fact that with 24 Gig around 17-20 of it on average will be free and in use as disk cache which once you're powered up a while can make a huge difference. Like, nice having the office program you used a couple of days ago still sitting in memory and almost insta-loading from cache. Nice like having an Agent Ransack window open where you can do a search once in a while and all the directories are still in Ram.

 

1070 new seems to $600-$750 @ MSY depending on model so whether $500 is good or not used would depend where it sits in the range. Also right about next gen putting the downward pressure on, but it seems we do have this mining craze that's impacting supply and inflating prices.

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Keyfinders on win10 don't, in my experience, prove too useful. The activation isn't against the specific key anymore. Or rather, once you've already updated the box to win10, the key it pulls out isn't yours but a generic one.

I just do a fresh install on the new SSD and then activate it later on. I prefer to install from a fixed source, like a USB key, but either way, the official MS win10 media creation tool is the easiest way to get the latest patched version of win10.

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If you've installed a retail product then it should find the correct key (did on mine). The problem does arise with OEM installs. The key returned in 2 cases with my machines was wrong. But also in both cases the machines have SLIC information for OEM Windows licencing which allowed me to use a utility called 7_OEM_Activator (or similar) to activate the install (and no, it's not a loader but genuine activation. Loaders work by living in the boot sector and tacking on a fake SLIC to the Ram-based Bios copy).

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Kept an eye out for a card going cheap and finally picked one up on Thursday.

 

Asus 1070 Strix 8GB for $300. 12 months old so still has 2 years worth of warranty.

 

Now to give this thing a whirl and see how it goes of PUBG.

 

Next item on the list is a SSD.

 

Thanks to everyone for their support so far.

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Kept an eye out for a card going cheap and finally picked one up on Thursday.

 

Asus 1070 Strix 8GB for $300. 12 months old so still has 2 years worth of warranty.

 

Now to give this thing a whirl and see how it goes of PUBG.

 

Next item on the list is a SSD.

 

Thanks to everyone for their support so far.

 

1070 will SMASH PUBG, my 1060 handles it without any noticeable frame drops.

Everythings on Ultra, except AA and Foliage, which are on low.

 

I wasn't monitoring frames, but I didn't feel any slowdowns or skips.

 

 

That being said, I refunded PUBG the day I bought it, I've never played such a pile of shit in my life.

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