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That will make them cheaper ... Not

It will increase yield though. All AMD will have to do ship the GPU.. they won't have to bring HBM2 into it, get a third party to package it on a silicon substrate, and then ship it to the card partner. The card partner can even source the RAM themselves. I think AMD feel like they need to use HMB because they co-created it. But yes.. cards are crazy expensive.

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That will make them cheaper ... Not

It will increase yield though. All AMD will have to do ship the GPU.. they won't have to bring HBM2 into it, get a third party to package it on a silicon substrate, and then ship it to the card partner. The card partner can even source the RAM themselves. I think AMD feel like they need to use HMB because they co-created it. But yes.. cards are crazy expensive.

 

Yeah, AMD will insist having HBM with DDR6 because they can.

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That will make them cheaper ... Not

It will increase yield though. All AMD will have to do ship the GPU.. they won't have to bring HBM2 into it, get a third party to package it on a silicon substrate, and then ship it to the card partner. The card partner can even source the RAM themselves. I think AMD feel like they need to use HMB because they co-created it. But yes.. cards are crazy expensive.

Yeah, AMD will insist having HBM with DDR6 because they can.

lol. Apparently Navi will launch with HBM. I hope that AMD traded Raja for EMIB

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Cut the shaders and not tell anyone? That is shady.. :P Fertile ground for a lawsuit indeed.

 

Disappointing AMD.. That's worse than what nVidia do.

 

EDIT: We reached out to AMD for comment, and the company confirmed the spec change.

 

"There are two variants of AMD Radeon™ RX 560," stated a company representative. "End users will definitely need to double check specs on variants. Typically the RX560 14cu version will sell lower than 16cu version, [and the] 14cu version will have lower power consumption.This allows our GPU partners to offer differentiation between different SKUs for different power and pricing segments."

AMD also indicated that AIB partners would be responsible for disclosing the specifications of their specific RX 560 product, and the situation brings a new meaning to the phrase "buyer beware."

 

So both are to blame really. AMD needs to hold AIB's feet to the fire and make sure they brand these properly as the RX 560D

 

 

EDIT 2:

 

XFX call theirs the "Core Edition" - well what the hell does that mean to buyers?

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https://www.pcworld.com/article/3240264/components-graphics/amd-quietly-radeon-rx-560-graphics-cards-worse.html



Update: AMD replied to our questions with the following statement:



It’s correct that 14 Compute Unit (896 stream processors) and 16 Compute Unit (1024 stream processor) versions of the Radeon RX 560 are available. We introduced the 14CU version this summer to provide AIBs and the market with more RX 500 series options. It’s come to our attention that on certain AIB and etail websites there’s no clear delineation between the two variants. We’re taking immediate steps to remedy this: we’re working with all AIB and channel partners to make sure the product descriptions and names clarify the CU count, so that gamers and consumers know exactly what they’re buying. We apologize for the confusion this may have caused.”



Shouldn't have needed to happen in the first place. Is RTG responsible with this? Who is dropping the ball there?


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To round out AMD’s set of CES announcements, we have Vega. Now I wouldn’t be getting too excited for any desktop announcements, because the only real desktop-class product the company revealed was a 7nm Vega variant for their Radeon Instinct compute card line. Navi still seems a while away, so perhaps we’ll get more consumer Vega offerings at a later stage.

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What AMD did announce on the Vega front is Vega Mobile, a discrete GPU offering for ultrathin gaming notebooks. Again, not a whole lot of information, but we do know Vega Mobile will pack HBM2, and it will feature a 1.7mm z-height, which makes the chip itself a lot slimmer than other mobile GPU offerings, allowing OEMs to create slimmer, high-performance portable gaming systems. The desktop Vega offering, for example, features a z-height more in the 3mm range.

 

No word on when Vega Mobile discrete GPUs will be available, but it doesn’t sound too far away. Again, this is something AMD will have to detail at a future date. And as a quick note, AMD also revealed that modern Radeon cards will support HDMI 2.1 with variable refresh technology, so that’s kinda neat.

 

So anyway that’s basically everything AMD was ready to announce at this stage, the Ryzen desktop APUs in particular sound quite interesting, particularly for those looking at building a budget system.

 

Considering performance should be in the ballpark of an Intel system with discrete GT 1030 graphics, but at a far lower overall cost, it could be a great option for those wanting to build a basic computer for some light gaming. We'll have to wait just a bit longer to hear more about 2nd-gen Ryzen, though it’s only a few months before those hit the market.

 

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Aaaand...

 

Intel launches five Kaby Lake G CPUs with Radeon RX Vega graphics built-in

 

The graphics benchmarks are quite funny... but I won't spoil anything.


Main article: https://www.techspot.com/news/72627-amd-2nd-gen-ryzen-coming-april-desktop-ryzen.html

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I just sold my RX 56 and it covered the price of a new 1080 Ti that I ordered.... basically a free upgrade, might come out ahead with a few extra bucks. I have a love/hate for miners, cant believe what the RX 56/64 are going for used. Wish I would have bought more of these when they were released! I thought I might as well sell it before the bubble pops, maybe I should have held on to it longer but was happy to get 30-40% more gaming performance.

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AMD poaches two new executives to lead its GPU business

 

Santa Clara-based chipmaker Advanced Micro Devices this week poached two longtime industry executives to run its Radeon graphics chip division, filling a role that had previously been held by Raja Koduri, who left AMD in Novemberfor rival Intel Corp.

 

Mike Rayfield will run strategy and business management at AMD’s Radeon Technologies Group, while David Wang will oversee Radeon’s engineering teams.

For the past five years, Rayfield managed the mobile business unit at Idaho-based chip giant Micron Technology. Before Micron, he spent seven years in a similar role at Santa Clara-based Nvidia Corp.

Wang is returning to AMD after a five-year stint at San Jose-based Synaptics, where he led the company’s silicon engineering practice. Wang had previously worked at ATI Technologies, which AMD acquired in 2006 for $5.6 billion--the largest acquisition in company history. He left AMD in 2012 as the corporate vice president of product design engineering.

“Mike and David are industry leaders who bring proven track records of delivering profitable business growth and leadership product roadmaps,” AMD CEO Lisa Su said in a statement. “We enter 2018 with incredible momentum for our graphics business based on the full set of GPU products we introduced last year for the consumer, professional, and machine learning markets. Under Mike and David's leadership, I am confident we will continue to grow the footprint of Radeon across the gaming, immersive, and GPU compute markets.”

AMD’s Radeon business unit makes GPU chips that are capable of not only powering high-end, graphics-intensive applications, but also artificial intelligence, machine learning and cryptocurrency mining — three areas under intense focus in Silicon Valley.

AMD is split into three major business units — the embedded and semi-custom business group, the computing and graphics business group and the Radeon Technologies Group. Su had temporarily taken over day-to-day management of the Radeon group following Koduri’s exit late last year.


Those are two impressive executives. On one side you have a senior manager who's worked with Micron and nVidia, and then you have the guy who was at ATi when AMD took over and oversaw some of AMD's most competitive cards against nVidia.

 

This seems optimistic. Damn AMD just need that cash to keep rolling in.

 

Also...

 

AMD are splitting 7nm Zen 2 CPU and Vega GPU manufacturing between TSMC and GloFo

 

^ good move!

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I dunno, I think shiploads of AMD Vegas are going to Chinese miners before gamers I think.

It's good money for AMD. The GTX10 series are better for most games and cheaper... so AMD may as well get the most they can for Vega.

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I dunno, I think shiploads of AMD Vegas are going to Chinese miners before gamers I think.

It's good money for AMD. The GTX10 series are better for most games and cheaper... so AMD may as well get the most they can for Vega.

 

GTX10 series aren't bad for mining either ... but anyway

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AMD Working On A Brand New Major GPU Architecture To Succeed GCN by 2020-2021

 

AMD’s GCN architecture has proven to be one of the most successful macro architectures of its time debuting with the Southern Islands micro-architecture (1st Generation GCN) and lives on, currently, with the Vega micro-architecture (5th Generation GCN). Navi, the upcoming next generation uArch from AMD in 2019 will constitute the 6th Generation GCN and will be the last and final breath of this overarching GCN series.

 

We were told that work had already started on the brand new major-architecture before Raja Koduri even left, but since we are hearing chatter about it then it means that development is picking up. RTG’s new leadership will be leading the design and execution of the major architecture. The efforts on the engineering side will be spearheaded by David Wang and Mike Rayfield on the execution and business side of things.

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AMD Outpaces nVidia Graphics Card Sales as Cryptocurrency Morphs the Market

 

But they're still a long way from overall market share. However this is good revenue from AMD who really need to invest that into a competitive graphics architecture and not just be really good at blockchain.

 

Probably find most of those AMDs are sitting in Crypto mining rigs ...

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AMD Outpaces nVidia Graphics Card Sales as Cryptocurrency Morphs the Market

 

But they're still a long way from overall market share. However this is good revenue from AMD who really need to invest that into a competitive graphics architecture and not just be really good at blockchain.

 

Probably find most of those AMDs are sitting in Crypto mining rigs ...

 

Well... yeah... tht's the title of the article. XD

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Gpu bench marks are missing how well you can mine Ethereum. I'm sure that will be a thing in the future benchmarks.

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vega has a higher hash rate but if this is anything to go by 1070 has a higher has rate per watt provided you get one with memory that has plenty of overclocking head room

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http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-vega-56-ethereum-mining-performance_197049

1080 however sucks but 1080ti is good

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im going away for a month soon so i thought i would give mining a go while im away on my gaming pc

the 1070 hits +900 mem which is phenomenal but its hashrate is only ~33Mh/s which brings in ~$2 per day with the system using ~150w which would cost ~55c per day

at +1000 mem it was 34Mh/s but that wasnt stable

gaming is only stable to +700 benchmarking +800

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