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Too Many Damn Lakes! Intel's coming CPU's

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8 hours ago, Jeruselem said:

Sunny Cove is supposed to increase the IPC too, over the current SkyLake variants we have.

Yeah they're separating the core code names from the product code names. This is Ice Lake. Zen 2 is meant to go head to head with this, but may likely be released first.

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It's clear Intel are meeting ARM head on with full-desktop CPUs to counter desktop-grade ARMs.

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I wouldn't call ARM desktop grade, not yet, but they could definitely take over the mobile market if left unchallenged. The foveros chip seems interesting, but we haven't seen it perform yet. 

Need to see how 10nm Atoms running complex instructions sets go versus ARM's reduced instruction sets, and how the power draw goes.

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18 minutes ago, SceptreCore said:

I wouldn't call ARM desktop grade, not yet, but they could definitely take over the mobile market if left unchallenged. The foveros chip seems interesting, but we haven't seen it perform yet. 

Need to see how 10nm Atoms running complex instructions sets go versus ARM's reduced instruction sets, and how the power draw goes.

ARM have the 8CX which is a desktop ARM, it's clear ARM want to get the desktop market well at the lower end for now

https://www.engadget.com/2018/12/06/qualcomm-snapdragon-8cx-pc-arm-extreme/

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Yeah it talks about "PC" but laptops are also technically PC's... but they won't go beyond the low to mid range of performing laptops. The article talks about laptops the snapdragon's quick charge capabilities, yada yada

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Intels new F chips will be the same price as those with the igpu.  Thought they will be a few bucks cheaper. 

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Scaling up an ARM to compete with x86/x64 causes a problem, you're adding just heaps more cache to the chip! Which means the chip gets bigger ... and hotter ... and uses more power. So Intel have contend with ARM trying to steal the low end CPU market, and then they have AMD finally shipping competitive products. The best ARM CPU is the Apple A12, but I doubt that's gonna appear in any non Apple products.

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Interesting that they're going for the low power versions of higher powered CPUs. I have low powered i3 and i5 CPUs here but I dont see the point with i9s unless you can switch to low power mode. 

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My i7-7700HQ is a 45W TDP CPU, so these new coffee lakes could be put in laptops or say all-in-one machines with lower power requirements. They might appear in new Macs too. Anything that has crap cooling would like these newer chips compared to the hotter Coffee lakes.

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6 hours ago, Jeruselem said:

My i7-7700HQ is a 45W TDP CPU, so these new coffee lakes could be put in laptops or say all-in-one machines with lower power requirements. They might appear in new Macs too. Anything that has crap cooling would like these newer chips compared to the hotter Coffee lakes.

With lower power TDP they'll be clocked very low. They'd perform lower than a Ryzen at that TDP I reckon. Not that Intel sticks to TDP.

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2 hours ago, SceptreCore said:

With lower power TDP they'll be clocked very low. They'd perform lower than a Ryzen at that TDP I reckon. Not that Intel sticks to TDP.

 

Well, they could be not bad overclockers?

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To get them as far as the regularly clocked full power equivalent? I wonder if these lower powered parts were just unable to perform at full clock speed and this was a way to sell them. 

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Would depend on the price, they'd be good for those cheaper systems especially ones with no room for big cooling.

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3 hours ago, Jeruselem said:

Would depend on the price, they'd be good for those cheaper systems especially ones with no room for big cooling.

 

Sure but then they wouldn't really have overclocking potential. 

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Ice Lake performance over Whiskey Lake

 

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Yet to see how this translates. The IPC is up... but the clocks are nowhere near Whiskey Lake.

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On 4/24/2019 at 9:19 AM, Jeruselem said:

New CPUS! Lots of them

https://www.techpowerup.com/254838/intel-expands-9th-gen-core-desktop-and-mobile-processor-families

 

Including some pretty specced up mobile ones

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I can't wait for the 9th gen stuff to be put into new laptops releasing in the fall of this year. I really want to upgrade my 2013 Macbook Pro 13-inch to the rumoured new Surface Book 3 13-inch so I can video edit faster on the go. 

 

Ideally, i would like to support AMD and buy a good thin laptop that has ryzen and onboard vega graphics in it but I'm not sure how long that's gonna take... Plus i really like the Surface 2 in 1 tablet touch design that actually has beefy specs to which i can use in tandem with my home PC if i wanted to. 

Edited by Mr.Twinkie

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