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Australia is a bit backward, looks like pretty much iPhone and Samsung as the focus with some Oppos, Huaweis, Nokias as well as crappo Telco branded phones.

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If I had to go a "Known Brand" these days, It'd be the new NOKIAs.

I've seen them in person, and they feel amazing, are about half the price of any other one, and just simply, looked more vibrant and snappy (vanilla android!) than any of the other competitors.

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I think they don't have those weirdass skins Asians tend to install on Asian phones too.

 

Yeah was all totally vanilla, software, hardware, just... exactly what it says on the box.

 

And the fact that I can go somewhere expensive, but big chain (like Harvey Norman) and get one for $600, is only 1/3rd the price of the 'big boys'.

and STILL HAS A MICRO SD SLOT! :D

 

Only downside is no USB-C, but hey, I'll live.

Edited by Master_Scythe

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I think they don't have those weirdass skins Asians tend to install on Asian phones too.

 

Yeah was all totally vanilla, software, hardware, just... exactly what it says on the box.

 

And the fact that I can go somewhere expensive, but big chain (like Harvey Norman) and get one for $600, is only 1/3rd the price of the 'big boys'.

and STILL HAS A MICRO SD SLOT! :D

 

Only downside is no USB-C, but hey, I'll live.

 

 

USB C would be nice hey

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Be careful of super cheap phones which are funded by you having to watch ads as part of the sale meaning there is ads/spyware preloaded.

 

To my knowledge, in the INTERNATIONAL (or Taiwan) versions (can't speak for the domestic China ones), Oppo, Xiaomi, and Huawei haven't been known to do this.

 

 

I've seen those on Amazon, and applies to tablets. I think the big brands wouldn't do it because of the past scandals.

 

Are you talking about Amazon's own, branded, Fire devices?

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Be careful of super cheap phones which are funded by you having to watch ads as part of the sale meaning there is ads/spyware preloaded.

 

To my knowledge, in the INTERNATIONAL (or Taiwan) versions (can't speak for the domestic China ones), Oppo, Xiaomi, and Huawei haven't been known to do this.

 

 

I've seen those on Amazon, and applies to tablets. I think the big brands wouldn't do it because of the past scandals.

 

Are you talking about Amazon's own, branded, Fire devices?

 

Not specifically. I've seen cheap phones and tablets on Amazon where one of the conditions of purchase is you are subjected to ads in return for the low price. This is at the real low end of the market.

I don't own an Amazon devices but I'm sure they'll be sneaking their own adware onto their own devices.

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'Sneaking their own adware onto their own devices'

 

It's not sneaking if your devices run a fork of android tailored to both using a separate software store than Play, and running ads on lock screens and etc through your own ad network.

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'Sneaking their own adware onto their own devices'

 

It's not sneaking if your devices run a fork of android tailored to both using a separate software store than Play, and running ads on lock screens and etc through your own ad network.

 

Yes, forcing you to use fake stores instead of Google one ... very Chinese

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I think Honor Is Sub brand Of Huawei.

My current phone is a Telstra ZTE 4GX Buzz its a Prepay account.

Not a bad phone quite robust been used in rain and dropped a few times

it soldiers on like a champion .

4.5 inch screen Quad 1.2 gig 5 megapixel camera cost about 90 ish bucks.

 

Been looking at Huawei Y7 prime 2017.

For me the 4,000 MAHh battery, is a key feature.

Its a significant step up in capability and price is just within what I would spend

$249 ish .

https://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_y7_prime-8632.php

 

Been Looking at Samsung Galaxy J7 Prime as well they are similar in many ways Including price.

https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_j7_prime-reviews-8314.php

 

For now will unlock my old phone while I keep checking out phones between $240 to $300 .

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I don't trust them, but that is because I develop IP and like to write code snippets and read emails on my phone.

 

Since Huawei sold dodgy network infrastructure to British Telecom (which is why they got banned from the NBN roll-out), I have tried to steer clear of them. It is important to remember that no matter how independent these companies say they are, they are still controlled by the Chinese Communist Party. This is fine if you are not doing anything security-sensitive, political or commercially confidential on the device (or any other device networked with it). But if you are developing IP or work for the Government, my advice is to stay away from anything from a Chinese company and spend the extra money on something that is not likely to be backdoored or vulnerable to attack. In such a case, go for something made in one of the Five Eyes countries, Japan, the EU or South Korea. Whilst nothing is 100% perfect security-wise, stuff from these places is more likely to be designed with basic security standards in mind and is less likely to have sneaky backdoors to a potentially adversarial government that is known for stealing IP and confidential info.

 

Otherwise, for purely personal/non-sensitive use, my experience with Chinese smartphones has been hit-and-miss. I have had a couple of cheapo Huaweis that have done the job and been reasonably stable, but that was years ago before I got into cybersecurity (I cannot comment on their more recent products). I have also had a ZTE (which was a shocker as it was totally unstable and kept getting really hot and crashing for no apparent reason) as well as some dodgy no-name Wish tablets that my mate and I got for shits and giggles because they were cheap and looked nasty.

 

The Wish tablets were a case of "be careful what you Wish for" - they more than lived up to our expectations of how awful they would be. They came with USB debugging already enabled, had less RAM than they reported to Android's GUI, featured an Android application monitor that did not change no matter what apps were running (rootkit much?) and I was able to launch a root shell on them by running a terminal emulator and creating a buffer overflow using a program I wrote in C specifically for that purpose.

 

Translation: They were dodgy as all hell and there is no way I would ever use my real name or log into an account I care about on them - I have even considered writing my Masters thesis on how crappy they are from a security perspective.

 

The moral of the story is that whether you go for one of these cheap Chinese brands that hasn't been around for long depends on your appetite for risk and your use case. If you want a device that's reliable and secure, spend the extra money. But if you just want to play Candy Crush, watch YouTube and don't care if your phone shits itself occasionally, go ahead.

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A few months ago I bought a lightly used 'flagship killer' ZTE Axon 7 for $300; been pretty happy with it. 

One of only a handful of phones to support the 800 or 900MHz band used by Optus and Telstra, presumably in the sticks. 3.2Ah battery, loud front-facing stereo speakers, Samsung OLED screen, quick charge 3 through USB C, fingerprint scanner, sd slot or dual SIM, headphone jack, 64/4GB, it's pretty sweet. Only bummers are a fixed battery, and you have to unstick the speaker grilles to get at the screws to get it apart. 

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Parents bought some SpyWay ... HuaWei phones recently. Nice phones but not buying any Huaweis myself.

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Posted (edited)
On 1/31/2019 at 10:56 AM, Jeruselem said:

Parents bought some SpyWay ... HuaWei phones recently. Nice phones but not buying any Huaweis myself. 

 

In all honesty, What has Huawei been caught stealing from consumers?

https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-security-890708/

 

My logic is thus;
USA, EU, UK, AUS, etc all could influence my life here in the western world.
While I'm not hiding anything per-se, it's the threat of mis-analysing metadata (as opposed to real data) that worries me.
How do I know that computer security wont == computer cracking, based on METAdata?
Did all my reverse engineering and deliberately downloading wannacry versions flag me as 'bad' when my only intentions were 'good'? WHO KNOWS!

On the flip side, if China wants to know I'm (to borrow a mates usual example) "jacking it to amputee porn" (yep, we're all a little worried about him :P) what do I care?
China, has no influence on my western lifestyle.

 

Not to mention,
ZTE = the devil! Wait... no.... they got the all clear.
HUAWEI IS THE DEVIL! ..... no ..... wait... probably just money laundering....

tldr;
Wwe're nerds.
Mobile phone users are also, a lot of nerds.
We, as a collective, know how to analyze data.
Is there any wireshark or pcap data or anything of the like, that actually suggests HUAWEI is stealing our data?
If so, all of these news articles grabbing at straws to 'get the biggest story' have failed to highlight it to me, the reader.

There is REAL data for OnePlus stealing user data.
There is REAL data for GOOGLE stealing data even when you opt out (I believe it was location data?)
Microsoft collecting entire memory dumps on Windows 10 Phones, AND PC's.
Yet they're all allowed to operate and sell within the USA.

Educate me! 🙂

Edited by Master_Scythe

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Actually it's not the phones, it's the network equipment built by Huawei. You don't need to hack into the phones, you use the backdoors built into the network equipment which provide service to the phones.

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8 minutes ago, Jeruselem said:

You don't need to hack into the phones, you use the backdoors built into the network equipment which provide service to the phones.

Because of 5Gs network layout making Edge devices, Core devices, I'm well aware.

My point still stands!
There is a lot of

"They COULD do this!"
"OK...... how....?"
"SECRET BACKDOOR CODE!"
"OK, show me some...."
"....... umm.... national security, secrets, can't."
 

Considering most of the 'accusations' come from the country most known for lying to the people, I want proof.

 

they made IDENTICAL CLAIMS of ZTE.

 

IDENTICAL!

 

Then suddenly... they were WRONG?!?!!?

But, we were told it was CERTAIN!

 

I'm calling Trump anti chinese BS.

Edited by Master_Scythe

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I don't see the Chinese govt forcing companies to share data as that different to what the US govt does with the Patriot Act and US hosted data, tbh.

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19 hours ago, Nich... said:

I don't see the Chinese govt forcing companies to share data as that different to what the US govt does with the Patriot Act and US hosted data, tbh.

But communism? And they look different, so there's that. Also their written language is pictures. Who knows what they're saying to each other about us. 

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On 3/2/2019 at 11:12 AM, Nich... said:

I don't see the Chinese govt forcing companies to share data as that different to what the US govt does with the Patriot Act and US hosted data, tbh.

Thing is Nich..., There hasn't really been any proof given to 'the people' that it even IS happening.
The claims that its POSSIBLE is a risk with literally ANY closed source code.

The only accusation has come from the USA, and while there have admittedly been a few 'odd' data things happening, there hasn't been any true red flags that I've heard, nor proof I've seen (link, if so?).

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Looks like My Samsung S4 may be toast although IO have ordered a new USB port to see if that allows me to root it and fix the corrupt files that prevent it detecting the sim card.

What are your thoughts on the Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 Pro.

Edit: Hmm may not support b28 700mhz

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13 hours ago, Dasa said:

Edit: Hmm may not support b28 700mhz

 

This is quite important.

Also, your personal needs might be different. I for one, love battery life, and am a fan of the ASUS phones for that reason; and will be looking into the new Energizer phones soon.
Local stock, NOKIA are your go to for vanilla android, good features and an amazing outright price (the 8.1 is amazing for the price).

That said, the note 7 pro is almost half the price and leaves it for dead.
I've personally moved away from Xiaomi because the custom android started to bother me; Oppo or Huawei are my go-tos for china phonese these days.

I'm going to look into one myself; see what people have managed to do ROM wise....

If I can get vanilla on there, I might be keen.

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Battery life is important especially when using GPS\Google Maps.

General use with rural phone usage so reception quality is also of high importance with my S4 only just getting reception in parts of the house or outside and it was better than most phones for this.

Otherwise nothing to intense some web browsing, listening to music and watching Netflix.

Ah note 7 pro also lacks a 3.5mm audio jack so two strikes and its out.

S4 was in a SEIDIO OBEX Case which was waterproof originally and saved it from many drops the final straw was falling out of my pocket on the motorbike we managed to find it and it rang once but that was it. So a tough phone around $300 is what I am after and a good camera would be nice although I don't give a crap about selfies.

Some nice to haves would be USB C and a Infared blaster.

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I got an Oppo A3S to use while my Nokia 7 Plus is supposedly being repaired. 

Reception wise it is leaving the Nokia and the Motorola I had before it for dead. It's not superfast with the Snapdragon 450 but it works fine for most things and it has a 3.5mm jack with pretty reasonable sound quality for a sub $300 phone. Camera is OK too. Biggest issue with the phone is ColorOS which is a massive pile of shit. I am trying to decide if I can be bothered finding another ROM (as there are a couple of different versions of the phone out there and I don't want to spend ages wading through them for a phone I will mostly be just using for a couple of weeks. The Notch also makes a balls up of the notification area. Also I wish it would fast charge/have USB-C. 

But with that low power SnapDragon 450 with a 4350mAh battery I enjoy the battery life. 

 

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Looks like to get everything I want with Telstra\Optus rural reception approval I am looking at ~$550 for Samsung S8\+ and $50 for otterbox defender.

Obviously there is other phones out there with good reception that they are not selling and thus haven't tested but it is hard to know which.

fliptopia

Thanks that is a whopper of a battery in a budget phone but looks like it is also lacking b28

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1 minute ago, Dasa said:

Looks like to get everything I want with Telstra\Optus rural reception approval I am looking at ~$550 for Samsung S8\+ and $50 for otterbox defender.

 

Funny enough, China phones (if you get B28) almost always do better reception than Australian or US models, due to their blatant disregard for radiation laws.
If I needed a phone to survive anything I'd still be looking at Nokia; at last check, they STILL go through the nokia stress test (drop, sand, humidity, etc).

 

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