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In '82, nobody had thought of a mobile 'phone. They also hadn't thought of an internet for said mobile to hook into.

its worth noting though, that William Gibson had coined 'cyberspace' in 1982's Burning Chrome two years before expanding on it in Neuromancer:

 

“The Matrix has its roots in primitive arcade games,' said the voice-over, 'in early graphics programs and military experimentation with cranial jacks.' On the Sony, a two-dimensional space war faded behind a forest of mathematically generated ferns, demonstrating the spatial possibilities of logarithmic spirals; cold blue military footage burned through, lab animals wired into test systems, helmets feeding into fire control circuits of tanks and war planes. 'Cyberspace. A consensual hallucination experienced daily by billions of legitimate operators, in every nation, by children being taught mathematical concepts... A graphic representation of data abstracted from the banks of every computer in the human system. Unthinkable complexity. Lines of light ranged in the nonspace of the mind, clusters and constellations of data. Like city lights, receding...”

 

interestingly, wiki says:

After viewing the first 20 minutes of landmark cyberpunk film Blade Runner (1982), which was released when Gibson had written a third of the novel, he "figured [Neuromancer] was sunk, done for. Everyone would assume I’d copied my visual texture from this astonishingly fine-looking film."

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interestingly, wiki says:

After viewing the first 20 minutes of landmark cyberpunk film Blade Runner (1982), which was released when Gibson had written a third of the novel, he "figured [Neuromancer] was sunk, done for. Everyone would assume I’d copied my visual texture from this astonishingly fine-looking film."

 

Yup - that quote made into a fan mag at some point, iirc. Funnily enough, the BR cityscape is not what I had pictured at all for cyberspace - it's far too dark and bleak. My vision was more like Hong Kong, but as far as the eye could see in every direction.

 

And on the social media angle... Whilst people certainly could socialise in specific 'places' in cyberspace, that wasn't its purpose. Like the internet itself, the thing was set up as a means to interact with companies and data - not other people. Even in Gibson's novels most of the interaction between people was face to face in the real world, at least until the real world was showing that people were using virtual connections more than real ones (Idoru? I need to reread.)

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'the BR cityscape is not what I had pictured at all for cyberspace'. i think you meant The Sprawl or Chiba City there.

 

as for the matrix of cyberspace, i always found it confusingly (but necessarily) abstract and really hard to visualise. key point was that people could 'jack in' and interact remotely in real time through a conceptual medium more sophisticated and far less audiovisually literal than multimedia as we know it, but yeah, although my quote above hints at the tech being democratised enough to be widely used for stuff like education and maybe even incidental frivolity, i dont remember the social angle ever being hinted at.

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i think you meant The Sprawl or Chiba City there.

 

Yeah. Dunno what happened there, but glad you got it anyway.

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i think you meant The Sprawl or Chiba City there.

 

Yeah. Dunno what happened there, but glad you got it anyway.

 

:)

 

I THINK I have everything Gibson has ever written and I assume he has spent a deal of time in Japan but I don't recall him ever elaborating on that.

 

Chiba is around the Bay from Tokyo, if you want a wild night in Japan go to Chiba, but keep your wits about you and your hand on your wallet :)

 

I've been there a few times, always with Japanese friends, it's fun, but like most such places around the world not exactly safe :)

 

Cheers

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The original movie also gained it's cult status due to other aspects

Phillip K Dick passed away just before the movies release

Ridley Scott had directed Alien

It had Harrison Ford

It was the early 80s , geeks lapped up any Science fiction film

Even in its release, there was the rumour of a second version of the movie

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It was the early 80s , geeks lapped up any Science fiction film

 

It was the Writer's Strike - people lapped up anything they could get their hands on.

 

But none of those explain why it continues to pull in new followers. That comes down to it just plain being a f'ing brilliant movie.

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I went to watch it on Sunday after lunch, I was fortunate enough to have the time to watch the original again, after breakfast, just so it would be fresh in my mind.

 

This is really a movie that you need to see a few times to grasp the entirety of the message.

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...Okay then...............

 

so i finally got around to watching the Final Cut version of Bade Runner, and
i dont know if its because i am older, and hence slower of mind, and less prone to boredom haha
i dont know if it was because of better than DVD quality and WAY better sound
i dont know if it was because of Riddley's little nips and tucks and additions to interstitial sequences

 

...but i enjoyed it far more than ever before!

 

this time around the transitions between events and scenes seemed less crude, even if there were junctures where the thread of continuity got thin enough to be broken by a single misheard word or a blink-and-you'll-miss-it-detail.  

 

nitpicks!

- Deckard is flying, listening back to Leons VK test audio.  we learn he lived at "-1187 at Hunterwasser" "-yeah thats the hotel".  so its reasonable to infer that's where Deckard is now heading.  cut to Deckard + creepy sidekick standing outside a building called YUKON.  cut to a superintendant opening a door for them and unintelligbly mumbling "Kowalski".  um...YUKON?  Kowhatski?  okay, so i guess we arent at Leon's hotel after all?  well, as it turns out, we are, because Leon is Leon Kowalski but the only other time he is referenced as "Kowalski" is in the very first line of the film, in barely audible background babble over a P.A. when Leon is just a peripheral smudge almost out of frame.   obscurity like this is just shoddy.

 

- during the hotel scene, there is a fleeting shoe-horned-in shot of a man walking on a city street.  where is this?  who is this?  is it Decker?  has he left the hotel now?  actually, its Leon — something that might be obvious if you were to pause the movie here and send a captured jpeg to a CSI lab for enhancement.  also, i wasnt expecting Leon to be on the loose, AT ALL.  why?  because there was no indication he was one of the AWOL replicants.  yes, he went apeshit in the facility at the beginning, but it was not made clear, or even hinted at, that he subsequently escaped!  

 

- on first viewing (on *cough* 576i PAL TV), when Pris was finally introduced in the flesh (as it were) i did not recognise her from a 5 second grainy shot of her hairless head from 20 minutes earlier.  eons ago effectively, coming as it did, after a soporific snoozefest of a scene with Rachel at Deckard's.  as such, i had no reason to think this woman was one of the rogue skin jobs either.  and even if i had, why would i think she had been in communication with Roy and Leon and was now assisting in their quest to find some Sebastion guy?  theres a fine line between trusting an intelligent audience to make inferences, and just half-arsed storytelling.  to make things worse though, when Sebastion introduced himself to the pretty vagrant i didnt catch his name.  i was too busy wondering who she was.  to be fair, my oggling Daryl Hannah may have been implicated in both cases :P.   but now i was like, who the hell are these people?  this may seem silly in retrospect, but at the time i was allowing for the story to still be unfolding in a different way with entirely new characters.

 

- the photo!  it wasnt clear the photo was one of the ones grabbed from the hotel and i still dont know what prompted Deckard to use it in the inscrutable Enhancerator 5000.  where the hell did that woman come from and who is she supposed to be? is she the snake woman?

 

- on this most recent viewing, i still found it confusing/jarring as to how/why Leon just happened to pop up in the city immediately after the snake woman went through the glass.  maybe he was already lurking around, because maybe he's a regular at Zhoras titty bar?  maybe he was already tailing Deckard?  maybe word had got around about the incident and Leon is a deft user of the city bus timetable?  maybe it was his replicant sense of smell?  maybe it was clumsy storytelling?  i am going with the latter.  


in the final analysis, although i still think the Blade Runner feels thin, flawed, and unfinished, i can see my appreciation of the film was irrevocably marred by first impressions of it on shitty TV, so i have upgraded my judgement accordingly.  especially considering its context in film history, yeah, its a good film.  

 

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2 hours ago, @~thehung said:

Deckard is flying, listening back to Leons VK test audio.  we learn he lived at "-1187 at Hunterwasser" "-yeah thats the hotel".  so its reasonable to infer that's where Deckard is now heading.  cut to Deckard + creepy sidekick standing outside a building called YUKON.  cut to a superintendant opening a door for them and unintelligbly mumbling "Kowalski".  um...YUKON?  Kowhatski?  okay, so i guess we arent at Leon's hotel after all?  well, as it turns out, we are, because Leon is Leon Kowalski but the only other time he is referenced as "Kowalski" is in the very first line of the film, in barely audible background babble over a P.A. when Leon is just a peripheral smudge almost out of frame.   obscurity like this is just shoddy.

 

I don't exactly remember why, but I never found that to be a terribly mystifying link.  Perhaps his civilian name listed on the copshots?

 

2 hours ago, @~thehung said:

the photo!  it wasnt clear the photo was one of the ones grabbed from the hotel and i still dont know what prompted Deckard to use it in the inscrutable Enhancerator 5000.  where the hell did that woman come from and who is she supposed to be? is she the snake woman?

 

On rewatching, I think yes it was.  But the point was that multiple replicants were hanging out together - not separating and disappearing into the fabric.

 

2 hours ago, @~thehung said:

on this most recent viewing, i still found it confusing/jarring as to how/why Leon just happened to pop up in the city immediately after the snake woman went through the glass.  maybe he was already lurking around, because maybe he's a regular at Zhoras titty bar?  maybe he was already tailing Deckard?  maybe word had got around about the incident and Leon is a deft user of the city bus timetable?  maybe it was his replicant sense of smell?  maybe it was clumsy storytelling?  i am going with the latter.

 

As per above, they were associating with each other.  That Leon turned up just as the shooting happened certainly seemed convenient, but consider this: it was just after she got off work.

 

Yeah, I think you're still bearing the effects of some crappy exposure, but try it a couple of times on a decent deck and you'll have some new posters taped to the inside of your skull. 😉

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i really should stay awake long enough to watch the original at least once

 

in the last 4 decades i have failed at least 3 times to maintain interest, and i never fall asleep in movies (unless i am really drunk, like i was at the premiere screening)

 

to my memory, it's just so fucking slow.... to get started, and vangelis is so soporific

 

 

and then oops, i'm unconscious

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4 hours ago, scruffy1 said:

to my memory, it's just so fucking slow.... to get started, and vangelis is so soporific

 

Taste is personal, but if you can watch The Maltese Falcon you can definitely watch Blade Runner. If you can't, of course, there's something wrong with you.😜

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