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I've had the same system for around 4 years now, and it sucks for gaming. It's a laptop, which fact is about 5 strikes all by itself, and not a gaming laptop either, which is another 8 or 9. It does web browsing, YouTube, email, and general time-wasting just fine, but that's really not where I spend a lot of my time. I want a gaming rig - and not just any rig: money is not an objective - performance is. I want the thing to be able to run cutting edge games on max rez at full detail and not drop below 60fps during an army engagement.

 

That's unreasonable. I know. But that's the goal.

 

So, I've only just started putting together a parts list, as of today. I am in no way a hardware dude, but fortunately for me I happen to know a place that gets off on this sort of problem. ;) So check this over, please?

 

MoBo: Gigabyte X299 AORUS Gaming 3 Pro (LGA2066, DDR4, 6GB/s)

CPU: Intel i7 7740X 4.3GHz, 8MB cache

GPU: NVIDIA GTX 108Ti 11GB

RAM: Corsair Vengeance DDR4 4GHz (16GB as 2x8)

Intel Optane 16GB

SSD: 500GB "Super Fast" M.2 (R:3200MB/s|W:1800MB/s)

HDD: 2TB SATA-III 7200RPM (6Gb/s 64MB cache)

PSU: Corsair TX650M

HSF: Corsair H60 120mm Liquid

Arctic Silver Alumina Ceramic Thermal Paste

Soundcard: Onboard

Networking: Onboard

OS: Win10 64 Pro

 

Peripherals are not left off accidentally - I either have them already, or will be buying them separately.

 

Can you spot anything obviously wrong with that, or suggest alternatives?

 

As a matter of interest, dreampc.com.au prices ^that at ~$4,000. It was almost $6k before I toned it down a bit! O.O

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Gaming... so I suppose fast quad is better than slightly slower 6-core. Obviously there'll be the AMD recommendations and I'd also say it'd be a good idea to do 3 prospective side-by-side builds of each brand.

 

Given the price is barely different I'd say go 3 TB rather than 2 on the mech drive. It's amazing how fast a terabyte just fills up these days.

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I see why you got GTX1080ti 11GB, same price as the Vega64.

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Gaming... so I suppose fast quad is better than slightly slower 6-core.

I had thought about that. Given that one of the games I want decent performance in is Star Citizen, and that seems to be bottlenecking on CPU (when it isn't netcode killing it), I just went for raw horsepower. If you reckon the equation still favours the i5 instead, I'll gladly swap that out - it's a third of the price!

 

Three for each brand: can you expand on that, please? I'm not really looking at who makes any of this stuff - just that it works together, and that it has the best numbers.

 

Point taken on the HDD. I have 2TB currently, and only about 1/3rd full, but it never hurts to have room to grow. ;)

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for gaming 8600k will spank that cpu or go 8700k if you also want to do some rendering or something with video

more cores higher ipc and lower price

http://translate.google.com/translate?depth=9&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=pl&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=http://pclab.pl/art75579-27.html

 

Corsair H60 120mm Liquid

this would be hot and loud

a big hsf like nh-d15 would be much better

for aio to compete on a performance per db ratio you need to spend over $200

 

as for ram i would suggest this as 3600 15-15-15 is faster than 4000 19-23-23

https://www.newegg.com/global/au/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232306

 

or if you wanted to run dual rank ram and maybe a ram cache

this 3200c14 kit should oc fairly well if you spend some time giving it the love and vdimm it needs

https://www.newegg.com/global/au/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232378

 

as for the best tim to use ontop of the ihs

GELID Solutions GC-Extreme
or
Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut

and if you wish to delid the cpu for a 5GHz+ oc this is what you would use under the ihs

Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut

 

if budget is no problem go with a 1tb 960 evo or intel 760 or 2tb and get rid of the old spinner altogether

optane wont provide a noticeable benefit to these ssd so you can drop it

 

maybe look at a liquid cooled 1080ti

Gigabyte AORUS GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Waterforce Xtreme Edition <just make sure its the aio version unless you want to build a custom loop

 

oh and as you would need a z370 mb to go with those cpu

ASUS Z370 ROG Maximus X Apex $479 will probably get you the highest memory oc

but ASRock Z370-EXTREME4 is exceptional value

 

as for a monitor upgrade you may want to wait for these hdr10 panels

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11491/acer-asus-unveil-35inch-gsync-hdr-monitors-ultrawide-curved-200hz

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:)

 

Can't say I'm much of a fan of Gigabyte mobos, too much hair pulling, prefer ASUS but you do need to shop a bit to get the best price - much easier to work with though and little to no difference in price in the bigger scheme of things :)

 

I know little to nothing about corsair PSUs, love their RAM, but I always specify Enermax PSUs, never had one fail.

 

Other than that looks like a pretty sweet build :)

 

Cheers

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Dasa is of course correct in all of his suggestions.

 

Like Rybags suggested there may be AMD recommendations... and you would likely wait until Ryzen 2000 series launches this April and it would still be an unknown and behind the 8th gen Intel parts still anyway in terms of gaming.

 

And when money is no object.. buy the 8700k and be done.

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You have given me much to consider and source. Thank you! :) I'll consider this 'solved', and will post an update if/when things happen.

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I know little to nothing about corsair PSUs

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12070/the-corsair-tx550m-80plus-gold-psu-review/5

 

the tx650m gold is assembled in china by great wall using jap caps

it reviews well and has a 7y warranty making it exceptionally good value at $129

 

:)

 

Interesting to know ;)

 

Enermax warranty is but three years but in the last decade or more I've probably installed around 100 of them and they just never fail, which in W.A. with its flaky power is rather miraculous ;)

 

Price-wise probably thirty bucks in it, but depends where you go. I used to get them from the friendly guys at PCCaseGear but now they sell Corsair, and Silverstone, another brand I've had no problems with. being I've sold a lot, not including builds, also replacements Enermax look after me pretty well, so I stay with them. ;)

 

i cannot imagine Corsair putting their name to anything but good kit, had one RAM stick fail in a decade or more and I suspect that was a kid who did not understand static precautions and was fooling around. It was replaced without a quiver :)

 

We all have our preferences I guess, I just avoid Antec, had far to many sad-sack pcs on my bench with one of those charcoaled, not installed by me I hasten to add :)

 

Cheers

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as for the best tim to use ontop of the ihs

GELID Solutions GC-Extreme

or

Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut

and if you wish to delid the cpu for a 5GHz+ oc this is what you would use under the ihs

Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut

 

Oh man, I know the theory (what a chip\lid is made of, and that liquid metal should be A-OK), but I've been bitten with liquid metal.

See my thread "Being Forced to Transplant".

 

GC-Extreme is non-conductive, and better than the stock intel paste by FAR.

Even de-lidding, I'd use it on both sides.

 

You just never know what liquid metal is going to touch.....

 

 

Speaking of, do you have a good source for Gelid GC-Extreme? I'm finding it hard to restock my supplies....

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newegg i guess

doesn't seem to be in au anymore

 

yes you do need to be very careful with liquid metal

i applied it to the die with the cpu on the bench then put the ihs back on and placed it into the mb socket so there wasn't really anywhere it could go that it wasn't supposed to be

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Definitely go the 8700K. For gaming it can't be beat. AMD's interesting if money and threaded performance is of concern, both of which isn't if just gaming is your aim at any cost.


For PSU, I'd recommend going a little higher than necessary. Once you have a nice higher wattage PSU, it'll last you through any system build into the future. Spec it well once and it'll do whatever you need for a decade.

I've been using Corsair PSU's everywhere, I find them good quality. Never had one die on me.
Something like the RM750i / RM850i or HX750i / HX850i (for the platinum rating) would be nice. The "i" in them indicates Corsair Link compatibility, so you can view power usage, temps, volts, amps and all that cool stuff on the fly via software.
I've run the software side-by-side with a PowerMate on the same system and can confirm it's essentially just as accurate readings. Great if you're into that sort of thing.

SSD. Money not an issue? Intel 900P Optane 480GB.
I had one for review a month or two back. Insane is the only word for it. It won't beat top end NAND drives in straight line tests (just a fraction slower), but that's rarely needed and being able to fill your drive in like 2 minutes is enough for anybody. It totally destroys when it comes to radom IO, especially when both reading and writing concurrently.
It won't speed up games much if any but with like triple the endurance rating of NAND it'll last you a long time and as an OS drive would be great, particularly if using it for scratch disk duties or running some VMs from it etc.
An indulgance for sure, but oh so nice.

Forget the Optane Memory stuff. Only used when pairing with HDD's that you want some higher level cache on to speed up a bit. For just cold storage HDD use, not needed.

 

Cooler. If you can get a water cooled GPU, very nice idea.

For CPU something like the H75 might be better. Mainly because it's a rebrand of some OEM brand name I can't remember the name of but a lot of the AIO's use it. You can tell them apart as they have a round CPU pump/block with teeth around the circumference which is part of the mounting mechanism. It's so common AMD when they launched Ryzen brought out an AM4 retention bracket for it, that works across any brands version of the AIO, Corsair, Thermaltake, NZXT etc.

https://www.pccasegear.com/products/39368

Point is, it may last you a long time across several socket types potentially because there's alot of mass behind it in the market.


Oh man, I know the theory (what a chip\lid is made of, and that liquid metal should be A-OK), but I've been bitten with liquid metal.
See my thread "Being Forced to Transplant".

...

You just never know what liquid metal is going to touch.....

I haven't used liquid metal but I've seen that there's protective stuff you can use called acrylic conformal coating, which comes in spray cans. Apply over the things you want to protect incase of spillage/unwanted contact.

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Oh man, I know the theory (what a chip\lid is made of, and that liquid metal should be A-OK), but I've been bitten with liquid metal.

See my thread "Being Forced to Transplant".

 

...

 

You just never know what liquid metal is going to touch.....

I haven't used liquid metal but I've seen that there's protective stuff you can use called acrylic conformal coating, which comes in spray cans. Apply over the things you want to protect incase of spillage/unwanted contact.

 

Silicone spray, or non-acidic clear-coat. Yep.

 

https://www.jaycar.com.au/circuit-board-lacquer-spray-can/p/NA1002

 

Still not keen. a pinhole is all thats required to make contact.

 

And I'm not sure how well the protective coating would last over the years ehen exposed to CPU Die heat.

Probably fine, but not willing to roll that dice, when GC-Extreme is already a massive step up.

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as for the best tim to use ontop of the ihs

GELID Solutions GC-Extreme

or

Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut

and if you wish to delid the cpu for a 5GHz+ oc this is what you would use under the ihs

Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut

 

Oh man, I know the theory (what a chip\lid is made of, and that liquid metal should be A-OK), but I've been bitten with liquid metal.

See my thread "Being Forced to Transplant".

 

GC-Extreme is non-conductive, and better than the stock intel paste by FAR.

Even de-lidding, I'd use it on both sides.

 

You just never know what liquid metal is going to touch.....

 

The experts cover the service mount components (those little things around the CPU) with clear nail polish to prevent any short caused by LM spill over.

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Ahem. In the cold light of a new day, and after comparing, sourcing, and pricing all elements, I've concluded that I'm well into the "diminishing returns & ballooning costs" territory. The current parts list comes to somewhere between $5200 and $7000, depending on case and monitor (none, and worse case for both).

 

Also, I have clearly had a momentary case of barking insanity.

 

Whilst I fully intend to go ahead with a fearsome gaming build, it might have to be a little less fearsome than that.

 

Keep you posted.

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Ahem. In the cold light of a new day, and after comparing, sourcing, and pricing all elements, I've concluded that I'm well into the "diminishing returns & ballooning costs" territory. The current parts list comes to somewhere between $5200 and $7000, depending on case and monitor (none, and worse case for both).

 

Also, I have clearly had a momentary case of barking insanity.

 

Whilst I fully intend to go ahead with a fearsome gaming build, it might have to be a little less fearsome than that.

 

Keep you posted.

https://www.pccasegear.com/products/41722/pccg-hellcat-1080-ti-gaming-system

 

Pre-built perhaps?

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Second-hand maybe? Plenty of people jumping on the AMD bandwagon again and getting rid of perfectly good *Lake systems.

Just spend like $400 on a CPU, board and Ram then add your own graphics card and system almost done.

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you can dial back the cost a fair bit without really losing any gaming performance

CPU: Intel Core i5 8600K $358
Mobo: ASRock Z370 Extreme 4 $219
RAM: 16GB (2x8GB) 3600c16 $345
SSD: Crucial MX500 1TB $355
GPU: 11GB Geforce GTX 1080 Ti $1249
PSU: Corsair RM650x Gold $155
Case: Fractal Design Define C $135
CPU HSF: Noctua NH-D15 $115
$2931

 

 

or if you want to cut back even harder
Gigabyte Z370XP-SLI $199
2x8g 3200c16 $259
Corsair TX650M $129
SilverStone KL07B $99
Noctua NH-U14S $89
$2737

 

you could probably save a bit more by buying a few small things from newegg like cpu\ssd\ram or waiting for one of those 20% of ebay sales

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what do you know there is one on now

Crucial MX500 Series 1TB $319.2

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aiming for plus or minus a certain price point is something i really enjoy when building a new system.

 

problem is, i only pay attention to whats out there when i am in the market. once i have what i want, suddenly i couldnt be less interested in the minutia of incremental tech developments. ive chosen well, so the topic is dead to me.

 

eventually, though, the process begins anew and i am faced with a daunting learning curve. its never really that bad, because the basics never change. BUT there is the initial tedium of sifting through the noise of marketing buzzwords and bullshit, parsing a bunch of new acronyms and inscrutable letter-number part designations, making sure i dont try to pair something to something else with the wrong number of pins or chipset etc, figuring out what is or isnt future proof. ugh.

 

but once that's all done, it becomes fun again.

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you can dial back the cost a fair bit without really losing any gaming performance

Many thanks, Dasa - again. :) That saves me some headaches.

 

aiming for plus or minus a certain price point is something i really enjoy when building a new system.

 

problem is, i only pay attention to whats out there when i am in the market.

Half same: I only ever follow this stuff when it comes time to replace things, but it never gets to be fun for me - just tedious.

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you can dial back the cost a fair bit without really losing any gaming performance

CPU: Intel Core i5 8600K $358

Mobo: ASRock Z370 Extreme 4 $219

In fact even the i5 8400 without overclocking is a solid performer

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ORDERED:
MoBo: Asrock Z730 Extreme 4 -- Scorptec: $219
CPU: Intel i5 8600K -- PCCG: $364
GPU: nVidia GTX 1080Ti 11GB -- Scorptec: $1149
SSD: Crucial MX500 2TB -- PCCG: $714
PSU: Corsair RM650x Gold -- PCCG: $155
HSF: Noctua nh-d15 -- Scorptec: $119
Case: Fractal Design Define C -- PCCG: $155

OUTSTANDING*:
RAM
Monitor
OS

*These should not be outstanding items, but someone decide to be an asshat, and ~$2k is now tied up for a few days. Probably not a big deal, since some of those bits say they're could take upto 3 weeks (!) to arrive.

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