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Sport is not sport. It has not been sport for a few decades, imo.

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I'd not really considered making a thread about the ball tampering thing, as, well the issue seemed pretty obvious, but then I just happened upon this article ...

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-31/nrl-penalty-crackdown-draws-ire-of-immortal-andrew-johns/9606720

 

"... Good Friday pumped to work on dogs v Souths game. The game destroyed by penalties. Left the game so disappointed," Johns said on social media on Friday night.

"Rushed home to watch storm v sharks purely as a fan.

Shattered watching the game "It belongs to the fans who pay to watch. Waiting for your response Todd.


"Don't blame the referees I feel for them. Pressure from above. Whoever it is at the top of NRL hang your head. The game belongs not to you or the players. ... "

 

[ Disclaimer : I'm not a footy follower. I do recognise the name " Andrew Johns " as a footy 'hero' ]

 

Johns is cited for the above text from the link.

To my way of thinking, the "game" belongs temporarily to whoever is playing it. The wins. the losses. the injuries. the good / bad media press.

The rules of the " game " come from the designer/s of the game, or the contemporary cultural adjudicators .

 

Obvious updates to the " game " will always occur with the strength of technology used to record it. With that in mind, it seems logical that rules and regulations would seem to be

stricter today than in times past. And so they must. Humans haven't suddenly become ' holier than thou ', and people like Mr Johns seem to have more thought for the enjoyment

( and money ) from the people who fill the stadium for their pleasure. I have to wonder why sloppy play is considered by Mr Johns to be more important to the game than the players

making the effort to improve their " game " skill. Would it be more about new players being able to play without having to have a decent skill for the game, meaning the " game " goes

on and keeps the money rolling in for the sponsors and rest of the huge works and jerks that are seen as needed ? To keep the pay checks coming in ? And also, when the players are seriously injured there will always be someone just capable of filling the slot ?

 

I think Johns seems to think the fans will roll up for the " game " regardless of style and calibre of play. I think ( hope ) he's wrong about that. Sure I know human blood sport is a niche

that has always had it's fans. But these mainstream sporting conglomerates rely on the youth from hard working and also more privileged backgrounds. Where the young teams they grow-up in

are still supposedly about the playing of the game and the team and the community.

 

Cricket is was very much like that, mostly. It does seem though that the onus on the win and the pay and the future of the individual after the " game" has become more important.

They have families, and properties and a 'name' due to the wins they make. Sponsors build them up. And Sponsors will bring them down if too many losses occur.

Fuck the sponsors. - Just recall how the Sponsors / media crucified Tiger Woods for his private life regardless of his obvious talent.

It doesn't make any sense to me. Cheating is cheating. And when it comes to a team sport where the play is about at least twenty individuals playing together, on the same / opposing sides, then it seems imperative to play by the rules and support your team.

 

If our sporting nature is allowed to continue it's corrupt downward spiral we have little to no hope of our humane redemption. There might be some who would say if it happens then it would be

standard procedure for our humane -ity.

And there would be absolutely no light in sight for a better calibre of politicians for us either.

 

... my excuse is no commercial tv here, so it might take me a bit longer to be ' over it '

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He is right about the penalties. It's becoming a ridiculous situation. The previous situation was that too many illegal actions in defence close to the line were being ignored, but instead of warning teams and being a bit more strict, they've just gone polar opposite.

 

Former Qld premier Peter Beattie is now chairman of the Australaian Rugby League Commission which is the local governing body so maybe he's one of the instigators.

I'm yet to determine if he actually has much of a clue about the game - he was quizzed about Cronulla and didn't even know they were The Sharks.

 

He's one of pitifully few Labor politicians of the last 40 years I have any respect for, so here's hoping he does a good job in his new position.

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He is right about the penalties.

Is he ? Todd reckons it's about trying to bring the play back to proper play, with regasrd to rules of play.

 

As for Beattie, he's just prolonging his pay check .But he does usually like to get involved with the business paying him so here's hoping.

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The officiation of Rugby League and Cricket has become too anal - in both cases they've introduced technology and officials off-field to scrutinise replays when in the past the decision was made onfield.

Fair enough, the so-called error rate of referees and umpires is reduced but it's taking a human element out of the game and also breaking the flow of gameplay to the point of annoying players and spectators.

 

What's needed is less reliance on the technology and for the on-field officials to do their jobs properly and consistently. And knee-jerk reactions to criticism where all of a sudden there's a massive clampdown on certain aspects of play - they just aren't needed.

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So, what, you don't think the players have gotten sloppy re the regulations of the game ? The tech is there for both the player and the referees and the audience watching via their screens.

I don't think the tech can or should be ignored. It's here you know, progress at it's current best ;) I'm inclined to think the pro players need to get back to the grass roots of the game. Fuck the outside

influences for now, and just concentrate on the team. Whether it be cricket or footy, hockey, whatever, team sports should be fun and exhilarating to play and watch ... imo.

When tennis tech highlighted the grunting and took minute observance of the players' dress and manufacturer I gave it all a big miss. Perhaps all the sportspeople should go back to wearing white.

In simple garments designed to cope with weather, the stress of the sport and comfort. Then perhaps we might get back to looking at the game rather than the player.

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dubious politics behind a change in enforcing rules? unwelcome abruptness? — all transient things.

 

meantime, the rules are the rules. enforce them properly, and players and play styles will adjust accordingly. this is one of those "it really is that simple" things.

 

also, the sooner they automate all umpiring and reffing in a way that doesnt interrupt flow, the better. "human element" wildcards be damned!


When tennis tech highlighted the grunting

 

*groan* *grunt* i see youre back on the grunting again! :P

 

pray tell, how does tennis tech highlight the grunting?

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My memory has McEnroe grunting and ranting at the ball and the umpires constantly. The novelty of his behaviour made him infamous, his tennis skills apart.

As well as net-cam and line cam and w /e cam the audio improved. All convos on court were easier to hear.

 

The film of the foreign object being shoved down the cricketer's pants : Two / three decades ago that might have looked like the bowler having a scratch at a rampant itch.

More of the sledging can be picked up too. The game is about egos. Probably always has been. Thing is the better and stronger ego is the one that doesn't have to play the banter, but does play the ball.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-01/cricket-australia-under-mounting-scrutiny/9608638

 

" ... "So the job of those who are responsible for the culture of a team, or for a whole sport, is to ensure firstly that they're very clear about the purpose for which it exists."

The test of Cricket Australia's planned review is to see if the organisation itself meets the same high standards it has now set for its players."

 

I'd like to think they'd make a proper go of re-setting the culture, but cynicism might just win out, for me. Most money-making sport has the same issues to one degree or another.

Perhaps, ( as with our over-paid-self-indulgent-pollies ) it's become a more openly acknowledged problem that over-paid ' personalities ' turn into conceited-morally / ethically challenged-overblown farts, with no thought beyond the win and the pay cheque.

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Its the (bullshit) social expectation that a one off offence needs a global law, and that society (or teammates) wont police themselves.

 

Also, I lost The Game.

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competitions are for people who need to prove their superiority

 

"competitive" sport is for those who have weird self-esteem issues

 

 

playing sport on the other hand, can be awesome... when winning becomes the prime motivation, you're a loser

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:)

 

I only really watch the V.8s, about as honest as it gets most of the time accepting that the teams are always looking for a performance edge but that is pure competion.

 

The rest of televised sport - can't be bothered :)

 

Cheers

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Professional sport is no longer a 'sport', it's an entertainment industry.

When playing sport is a job, your job is being an entertainer.

 

The people paying for it don't do it as a charity, they want something from it: winners, close games, short games, long games, controversy, TV ratings, whatever. And they will use influence to engineer rules and a game that meets those goals.

 

And then, all the money becomes about not playing the sport, but spectating, marketing, commentary etc. Even marking a sporting lifestyle is as much about marketing the beer and chips you consume at home on the couch while watching the sport.

 

After a while it all becomes wrestling.

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After a while it all becomes wrestling.

Ooooo but I'm not really looking forward to comp. tennis devolving evolving into wrestling ... mind you, all the grunting going on is almost a certain pre-curser to the wrestle.

 

@ Master_Scythe I don't understand your comment but allow you to have it almost in peace :P~... also what game did you lose ?

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-03/ball-tampering-saga:-aca-asks-for-sanctions-to-be-reconsidered/9612494

 

And now we have the beginnings of a back down on punishment from CA. It seems they don't like the articles yesterday about the present "win at all costs" culture coming

down from the top . :\

These are grown men playing this game of cricket. If the pressure from above is play how we want you to play or lose your pay check, and these men do play the cheat, then the punishment of ostracisation

from the game and no more of the baggy green cap for them should be upheld. And CA needs to be cleaned out of it's cheaters too, also, as well.

There is always a choice here.

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And another kick in the guts for boxing and UFC. Conor McGregor in trouble (he's the one who challenged Mayweather some months back in a very entertaining bout).

 

https://wwos.nine.com.au/2018/04/06/12/35/conor-mcgregor-bus-attack-michael-chiesa-forced-out-ufc-223

 

 

 

Conor McGregor has surrendered to the New York Police department following his 'disgusting' attack on a bus containing a number of UFC fighters.

According to Newsday, a spokesperson for the NYPD confirmed, "Mr McGregor is in the custody of the New York Police Department. No formal charges have been filed and our investigation is ongoing."

Earlier, UFC President Dana White said McGregor was wanted by police after McGregor and a number of men were let into a facility, where a number of fighters were preparing for UFC 223. Footage shows the group launching guard rails and other large objects at the bus.

The bus was damaged and a number of fighters scheduled to fight in UFC 223 were seriously injured or shaken up by the incident.

 

 

 

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Crikey ^^ that's real intelligent behaviour. Those hurt in that incident should sue Mr McGregor for all his current monies and worth.

 

I get the impression from some of the headers that the Aus. cricket players are having a go at stepping away from the ACA and the CA, re not contesting the punishment given to them.

I may be more idealistic than is warranted here, but am really hoping the public and media furore of the cheating, and the loss of sponsors, though that one does little for me, have given the players the backbone

needed to stand up to dodgy management practices and edicts.

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Crikey ^^ that's real intelligent behaviour. Those hurt in that incident should sue Mr McGregor for all his current monies and worth.

 

I get the impression from some of the headers that the Aus. cricket players are having a go at stepping away from the ACA and the CA, re not contesting the punishment given to them.

I may be more idealistic than is warranted here, but am really hoping the public and media furore of the cheating, and the loss of sponsors, though that one does little for me, have given the players the backbone

needed to stand up to dodgy management practices and edicts.

 

hmmm... maye the aca and ca will need even more government assistance to rebuild a stadium on public parkland in the eastern suburbs, poor petals

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Cricket is only a small force behind financing and building stadiums. The MCG is lucky to get as many cricket spectators for the entire season that the AFL gets in it's first 2 weeks of the season.

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:)

 

I only really watch the V.8s, about as honest as it gets most of the time accepting that the teams are always looking for a performance edge but that is pure competion.

 

The rest of televised sport - can't be bothered :)

 

Cheers

 

Only reason I even bother watching those is for the prangs 'n pile-ups...

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;)

 

Well, there is that but as a long term professional driver I love watching their skills, I could not do what they do, and I do know how to drive , very well apparently :)

 

Cheers

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Not sure I completely understand the agument being put forward by OP etc, but my thoughts:

 

The pinnacle of a sport not being a sport, is F1.

As a fan it's tough to watch them regulate themselves. Certian teams have full-on veto powers on rules, and certain teams get paid millions just to rock up, because history. It's carzily unfair to newer or lower budget teams. Is why Ferrai is always on the podium, things are constantly stacked in their favour.

Liberty Media now that it has taken over is making big strides towards fairness to all teams and reigning in the crazy costs the well of teams/manufactures can pump in. But there's a long way to go (2021 at the earliest for true team parity)

 

NRL lost me a while ago, mainly because players are just commodities for the most part, no aleigence, they see money elsewhere, they follow it.

Rugby Union on the other hand is much more fascinating a game to watch. Actual strategy goes on. League is for the most part just played tackle to tackle, kind of a one trick pony imo.

 

Tennis is good too imo. Mano a mano.

Don't mind the hawkeye stuff. Humans can get it wrong or blink at the wrong moment.

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I tossed Union a few years ago, IMO it's way worse than League. Teams popping up in the Super 10/12/14/15/18 or whatever the hell it is now, for the sake of an area having a franchise despite having next to zero junior base or local talent.

It dilutes the quality of an already thinly spread resource. And you see next to zero coverage on free TV. Fuck paying to spectate a second-rate product when a better one is at least mostly free to watch.

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Not sure I completely understand the agument being put forward by OP etc, but my thoughts:

 

The pinnacle of a sport not being a sport, is F1.

As a fan it's tough to watch them regulate themselves. Certian teams have full-on veto powers on rules, and certain teams get paid millions just to rock up, because history. It's carzily unfair to newer or lower budget teams. Is why Ferrai is always on the podium, things are constantly stacked in their favour.

Liberty Media now that it has taken over is making big strides towards fairness to all teams and reigning in the crazy costs the well of teams/manufactures can pump in. But there's a long way to go (2021 at the earliest for true team parity)

 

NRL lost me a while ago, mainly because players are just commodities for the most part, no aleigence, they see money elsewhere, they follow it.

Rugby Union on the other hand is much more fascinating a game to watch. Actual strategy goes on. League is for the most part just played tackle to tackle, kind of a one trick pony imo.

 

Tennis is good too imo. Mano a mano.

Don't mind the hawkeye stuff. Humans can get it wrong or blink at the wrong moment.

Not so much an argument, but a comment on what's going down, imo of course. Not being at all in any way shape or form in to car racing ( but I do like vintage and the like cars ) I am not as aware of the privileged favouritism. All I knew is that it's an incredibly expensive sport. I'd think yacht racing would be similarly financially crippling too.

 

You just reinforce the ' cheat-like' behaviour that is already so prevalent in ball sports .

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