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More so on the BBQ site actually, i don't recall much of such on the adult site, it's not really that type of an adult site anyway, more a discussion place for people who are  having sexual issues, like not getting any with rather a lot of fantasy rolled in. I mostly just look after the security there anyway with a degree of counseling and non sexual but entertaining discussion tossed in.

Essentially a bunch of nice folks with relationship issues.

I have to pay the comment though, very amusing ?

However if you want some great recipes the bbq site is the place to go ?

Cheers

 

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On 9/16/2018 at 3:59 AM, Waltish said:

You know the Jews aren't monolithic.

Only some are Zionists, some are Socialists/Communists many are Apolitical , and virtually Secular (doing the rituals as just a cultural thing).

Also quite a few and in growing numbers are Messianic, that is to say have accepted Yeshua as the Messiah, while still being Jewish.

So even if it were true that the Jews/Israeli's done it , the Zionists are less than 1/3rd of the demographic.

Regardless IMHO you have yet to prove your case.

 

 

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCQDc5idYQE2T6IYKT3bUN7A#

 

But the most important thing to remember is that Jews are human, and humans are fucking dumbarses.  There's the end of every conspiracy theory right there...

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1 hour ago, Leonid said:

As usual when DUMB makes one of his usual crappy posts blaming Israel/Jews/Zionists for attacking their best ally in the world:

 

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

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Not seen you for a  bit Leo , utterly agree ?

"Loose Change"  I did watch - once -idiotic load of rubbish.

Ah well, conspiracy  theory seems to be the new kiddie game, at least it makes them sort of read, unlike Pacman. understand ? Doubt it ?

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There was actually a really good article for why people like DUMB get airtime on RT, Sputnik and Al Jazeera.

You know.... far right nativists and far left-anti-imperialists.

Because that shit works. Its a disinformation campaign the despots employed back in the cold war - get "intellectuals" like Chomski or political "leaders" like Corbyn in front of a camera saying stupid shit and you can mask the stupidity fo their statements with their outsize "intellectuality" - to make it all seem real. Any conspiracy you want can be given respectability by an "intellectual"/"human rights activist"/"thought leader".

In reality these fuckwits would take the zombie rights angle in a zombie apocalypse because there's not enough grey matter between the ears to process reality.

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I don't doubt there is an Arab Muslim connection but the Jewish supremacist Israelis were using them. It was certainly not Muslim Arabs who brought those buildings down.

 

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13 hours ago, NZT48 said:

I don't doubt there is an Arab Muslim connection but the Jewish supremacist Israelis were using them. It was certainly not Muslim Arabs who brought those buildings down.

Jewish puppet masters behind everything, eh Adolf?

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5 hours ago, Leonid said:

Jewish puppet masters behind everything, eh Adolf?

 

18 hours ago, NZT48 said:

I don't doubt there is an Arab Muslim connection but the Jewish supremacist Israelis were using them. It was certainly not Muslim Arabs who brought those buildings down.

 

For real man you are on the rums. Probably had like 30 rums tonight coming up with this stuff.


Look, there's a lot of unknown unknowns and unknown knowns around many aspects of 9/11. That being said; the wildly speculative conclusions and adamant defence of their efficacy really make it look like a disjointed, irrational outburst as opposed to a well argued, succinct counter argument against prevailing narratives.

I suspect and hope that's your goal; you're not accomplishing it at present.

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I doubt hat would work, half of Internode is decidedly inappropriate anyway ? I know the guys, they'd just shrug ?

I will however take credit for suspecting we had DMB back in our midst ?

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I don't agree with stifling speach, lets not screw up his hosted material,  don't like it don't read it.

But for sure if he breaks the forum rules boot him.

Censoring cause you don't agree, or just don't like it, is the sort of thing commies do.

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14 hours ago, Waltish said:

I don't agree with stifling speach, lets not screw up his hosted material,  don't like it don't read it.

But for sure if he breaks the forum rules boot him.

Censoring cause you don't agree, or just don't like it, is the sort of thing commies do.

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Pretty sure his hosted material breaks ISP rules.

If it's good enough for this forum to have rules, it's good enough for the ISP

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16 hours ago, Waltish said:

I don't agree with stifling speach, lets not screw up his hosted material,  don't like it don't read it.

But for sure if he breaks the forum rules boot him.

Censoring cause you don't agree, or just don't like it, is the sort of thing commies do.

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Completely agree, I never mind his posts at all - usually argue back at him but it keeps the place entertaining ?

ISPs have hugely variable rules Leo. When I ran one we had a visit from ASIO one time, when the sec guys were all paranoid about the internet and free speech.

We kept a reasonably close eye on our content but if someone wants to post naked pics so what? You can buy them at any newsagent anyway.

In the end I just showed him my sec clearance card, I was and am cleared a lot higher than him, ended up he became a member, rather strange sales job ?

Cheers

 

 

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I think most of what he posts is rubbish, just don't want to go out of my way to do things to him or his life outside of Atomicπ .

 

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I'm not here often, so I'm surprised to read you guys bother to interact with NZT regularly.  Why would you?

But this stuff he's posting is all over the stupider places of the Internet - I don't see any point in censoring it here.

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Hey you! Yes; YOU! Now that you know important truth about 9/11 that contradicts regarding who is to blame, you have a duty to share it.

On 9/11/2018 at 2:18 PM, Kothos said:

Jeez, you had me until, "Alex Jones". (So not long then.)

There really is enough wrong with the world that you don't have to make extra shit up about it. 

I did not make anything up. If you want to weigh in on the debate with credibility, you need to check out the OP first.

On 9/11/2018 at 11:05 PM, chrisg said:

Perhaps you may wish to consider just how Israel could or indeed has even vaguely benefited from the attacks

The U.S is one of the primary supporters of Israel, there is no discernible reason why Israel would in any way attack the U.S but plenty of reasons why Al Queda would.

Time to look at the facts and ignore the moronic net sites making utterly unsupported claims I would suggest...

 

On 9/12/2018 at 9:57 AM, NZT48 said:

That is from Netanyahu! Why do you ignore it? Because it doesn't fit with your preconceived conclusion?

On 9/12/2018 at 11:58 PM, chrisg said:

19 of the hijackers have been identified, all of Arabic, primarily Saudi origin, Saudi and Israel do not get on very well, never have,  if there had been Israeli pilots in those aircraft, I'd think more on your conspiracy contentions, but there were none.  Israelis tend not to be suicidal anyway, uneducated and indoctrinated Arabs tend to be.

I believe the aircraft that hit the building were remote-controlled. You should know that is possible. They were doing that stuff in the sixties.

On 9/13/2018 at 12:04 AM, SquallStrife said:

Translation: I waded through conspiracy theories while meticulously ignoring reputable sources, so that I wouldn't have to wonder if maybe the conspiracy theories are wrong, which would make me wrong, and undermine my reputation as a beacon of objectivity and rationality.

"reputable sources"? Like Al Jazeera, BBC, The Guardian, FBI, FBI, Chicago TribuneThe Wall Street Journal, The Washington Times, ABC News, The New York TImes, Ha'aretz, Fox News, former CIA agent Robert Baer, Ha'aretz, The New York Times, Ha'aretz, Fox News, Fox News, Fox News, Fox News, PBS, Ha'aretz, BBC, Newsweek, Associated Press, Francesco CossigaDr. Alan Sabrosky, NISTDr Jonathan Barnett?

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Your headline: "Israel did it"

From your BBC link: "An aide to the former Taleban foreign minister, Wakil Ahmad Muttawakil, has revealed that he was sent to warn American diplomats and the United Nations that Osama bin Laden was due to launch a huge attack on American soil."

 

Quit while you're just thought of as stupid. The next step is supporting abortion of foetuses and guys from Canberra with the initials DMB that have mental health issues.

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56 minutes ago, Leonid said:

Your headline: "Israel did it"

From your BBC link: "An aide to the former Taleban foreign minister, Wakil Ahmad Muttawakil, has revealed that he was sent to warn American diplomats and the United Nations that Osama bin Laden was due to launch a huge attack on American soil."

 

Quit while you're just thought of as stupid. The next step is supporting abortion of foetuses and guys from Canberra with the initials DMB that have mental health issues.

I know we're a little slow here these days, but are we really considering a post from last September 'current'?

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i guess it saves DMB having to do another rinse and repeat ?

I do rather get amused by his implying that I have some preconceived notion over the 9/11 conspiracy. This debate has been going on with him for years, over time I've approached all the "evidence" he has presented with an open mind then rebutted with facts from rather more reputable sources, like a bunch of professional explosives experts who had themselves looked into the allegations over the buildings having been deliberately blown up and concluded they could not have done it without being caught in the act before the "detonations."

DMB and others with a somewhat relaxed grip on reality do not want to accept that the main reason the buildings actually fell was an integral architectural design issue that was understandable since when they were designed commercial aircraft the size of what hit them were not yet in production and it was in a time when such an atrocity was not even really a consideration.

I've always somewhat doubted that the very planners of the attacks  expected the total devastation they caused. Two reasons for thinking that, the event was unprecedented and therefore unpredictable and the accompanying attack on the Pentagon was never going to destroy that fortress. Total destruction was most likely not expected, many factors combined to produce that unanticipated outcome.

Terror attacks aim to spread fear more than massive destruction. Perhaps the expected outcome was to make the buildings uninhabitable, utter destruction was, to the perpetrators, a bonus.

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20 minutes ago, chrisg said:

DMB and others with a somewhat relaxed grip on reality do not want to accept that the main reason the buildings actually fell was an integral architectural design issue that was understandable since when they were designed commercial aircraft the size of what hit them were not yet in production and it was in a time when such an atrocity was not even really a consideration.

Truthers are as impenetrable as Flerfers and Moon Hoaxers - no amount of evidence, even if they can directly obtain it for themselves, will ever shift their position.  It's possible that a Socratritic approach might get somewhere for a few of them, but I have yet to see it actually happen.

20 minutes ago, chrisg said:

I've always somewhat doubted that the very planners of the attacks  expected the total devastation they caused. Two reasons for thinking that, the event was unprecedented and therefore unpredictable and the accompanying attack on the Pentagon was never going to destroy that fortress. Total destruction was most likely not expected, many factors combined to produce that unanticipated outcome.

Mm.  I'd peg that with a big 'maybe'.  Bin Laden was supposed to have had a Civil Engineering degree, and the previous bombing attempt showed that they (probably OBL planned that one too, but no proof) had a good idea of what weak spot to hit.  I agree that complete collapse of both towers was probably wildly in excess of their expectations, but I think they meant to inflict many deaths and massive destruction.

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Hmm,

Actually hits lower down would have been more likely to have created a fall given the known details of the buildings.

It was only the post-analysis that revealed the reasons for the rapid collapses, the structural failures and the subsequent pancaking.

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On 1/5/2019 at 12:09 PM, Leonid said:

Your headline: "Israel did it"

From your BBC link: "An aide to the former Taleban foreign minister, Wakil Ahmad Muttawakil, has revealed that he was sent to warn American diplomats and the United Nations that Osama bin Laden was due to launch a huge attack on American soil."

On 9/22/2018 at 9:19 PM, NZT48 said:

I don't doubt there is an Arab Muslim connection but the Jewish supremacist Israelis were using them. It was certainly not Muslim Arabs who brought those buildings down.

 

21 hours ago, chrisg said:

DMB and others with a somewhat relaxed grip on reality do not want to accept that the main reason the buildings actually fell was an integral architectural design issue that was understandable since when they were designed commercial aircraft the size of what hit them were not yet in production and it was in a time when such an atrocity was not even really a consideration.

Have you forgotten about the WTC construction manager (Frank A. De Martini) saying "The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time."? The "fully loaded 707" he spoke of is a similar size to the planes that hit the towers. American Airlines Flight 11 had 92 occupants and was travelling at about 748 km/h at the time of impact. United Airlines Flight 175 had 65 occupants and was travelling at about 950 km/h at the time of impact.

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