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Hardly in this case J.

Mesh was being extensively used in the U.S, Europe and many other places before bans began to come into place, most notably from the FDA and in the U.K.

Australia followed with a temporary ban but there are numerous mesh products and in many cases it has been product bans rather than a blanket ban that has been implemented.

This report shows some of the issues and is, as best such a report can be, critical of the lack of testing before going to market:

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/7/12/e017125

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3 hours ago, Jeruselem said:

I think the USA use Australians as rat labs for their dodgy medical products.

Considering that we get stuff for our own guys to approve only after release in the US, which means years later, that seems somewhat unlikely.

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I know someone who is need of dealing /living with Hernia . His case is cos of massive heavy lifting and carrying during his life. I'm hoping that he will stall long enough so's something other than mesh is the solution . Gonna post an article now from my news feed ...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-02/hernia-mesh-concerns-grow-among-men-surgery-complications/10570182

" Marc Russell has spent his life travelling the globe to surf some of the world's biggest breaks and ride his motorbike through the most breathtaking landscapes.
But today the 42-year-old adventurer spends much of his time bedridden and needs a cane to get around. All it took to ground this wandering spirit was a jammed truck door.
"I gave it my all and ended up popping a groin hernia," he said. Mr Russell was told he would need day surgery and would be able to return to work after a month.
But a year later and after being seen by more than 30 specialists, he lives in constant pain. During the surgery doctors used surgical mesh to repair his hernia. Mr Russell said the product had left him crippled.

It is a similar product to those used in women to treat pelvic prolapses, which was the subject of a Senate inquiry and a national apology.
"The best way to describe it is, razor blades are in my groin," Mr Russell said. "It's like I've been doused in a flammable liquid and been lit on fire."

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i have mesh in both inguinal regions, from a hernia repair 20 years ago, and then again earlier this year

 

they used dacron in the first one i believe, and whatever is trendy for the recent one

 

am i worried ?  who knows, maybe my lymphoma was a foreign body reaction to the first effort, but it's hard to say

there are reports that the new "textured" breast implants cause a rare version of lymphoma

 

 

but is it the food i eat, laced with chemicals from agribusiness, or the questionable air i breathe in the city, or sidestream radiation from my years working in emergency ?

 

maybe it's the toxicity of liberals since howard

 

would i choose to not have the repair ? no

can it have complications ? yes

 

did he have bad luck or a poor surgical procedure ? maybe to either

 

i'm treated people who nearly died from anaphylaxis to seafood, but i'll still pig out on it until i notice a personal issue

 

being paranoid about being the recipient of modern surgical techniques is sensible, but as my favourite physician once counselled - "never be the first person to use a new treatment, or the last person to use an old one"

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3 hours ago, scruffy1 said:

- "never be the first person to use a new treatment, or the last person to use an old one"

QFT.

All the issues you mention are all hopefully being looked into. Not sure on the success of the pollie issue.

A few decades ago I lived far too close to my neighbours. We were one unit block they were another. The distance between inlcuded a fence and a small amount of grass with a footpath . Total width
perhaps of 5 yards . The gardeners would come along monthly with the weed killer. ffs . Oh but I was very mighty glad to leave that place.

5 hours ago, Nich... said:

Maybe they'll fix the problem now that men are making more noise about meshes too finally

[ emphasis and adjusted by eveln ]

Maybe they will. But it's not a new problem for men either.

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Heh,

I've done nowhere near as much research on mesh in hernia operations as I have in prolapses for women Scruffy, because, well, I don't, touch wood, have any hernia issues, and my concern is over the awful issues my wife is having - issues fully agreed by several doctors including the surgeon who removed some of it to be caused by mesh by the way. It's ongoing and non-operable, some of it, rather terribly, is visible having penetrated her. One of the issues with mesh is that it is very difficult to actually see properly in the body because it is essentially plastic and not seen by x-rays. It can be seen by a 3D scanner, not many of those yet in Australia, there is one in Perth, but the people at the hospital do not know how to interpret it and my wife is not allowed to fly by her doctor.

That said obviously not everyone is impacted by mesh, you as a doctor were able to make an informed decision and somehow I'd think you selected a very good surgeon ?

Another thing I find bemusing about mesh is that what clinical trials that have been reported that I've seen have been conducted on short-lived animals, like rats. Just how similar the physiology of rats is to humans I would not have a clue but they certainly do not have anything like the life-span of a human.

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It is indeed Scruffy.

I just keep on hearing more and more extremely distressing if not horrifying stories of people suffering from mesh in particular.

One that has me absolutely at a loss for words is of a woman who passed out, woke in hospital to find her arms and legs so black she thought she had been burned - no, it was advanced gangrene from sepsis or so the report says. She has had to have both legs below the knee and her right hand amputated and she is going to lose the other hand as well.

It is in the report that it is as a consequence of sepsis caused by mesh insertion.

The dreadful story is on the mesh support group on FB but is independently verified elsewhere.

More and more people are succumbing to the consequences of mesh. As noted in most cases it is not immediate although there have been cases of immediate negative impact post surgery.

Just how long it will be before this news becomes far more widespread  than it is at present is anybody's guess. It is suspected the media is to a degree being gagged because of the numerous cases before the courts, well, the hell with that, people, far more people, need to know and a total ban imposed.

(Not cheery at all, my wife's symptoms continue to worsen.)

 

 

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Add the use of stuff like round-up by farmers which I think is a great plant killer but always means it kills ... us ... slowly since trace amounts of it get into the food supply.

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On 16/12/2018 at 4:32 PM, Jeruselem said:

Add the use of stuff like round-up by farmers which I think is a great plant killer but always means it kills ... us ... slowly since trace amounts of it get into the food supply.

Citation required.

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It's almost as if nobody learned a god-damned thing from DDT, ain't it?

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Open air nuke tests, we all glow a bit, thalidomide, DDT, Roundup, mesh, probably more, no, we don't learn.

Xanax is in the firing line now, but Valium is suddenly fine, Prozac a past demon whilst you can still be jailed over grass, heroin, coke, speed etc. even therapeutic aspirin is now being discouraged.

The drug laws are insane and big pharma still makes squillions - mad world...

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xanax seems to be more-ish in a way that the rest of the benzos aren't

 

alprazolam (xanax) was marketed as the world's first "antidepressant anxiolytic", but personal experience with users is that it itches the spot that alternative benzos don't scratch

add to that a short half life, and it is the poster child for addictive potential

 

i prefer it to have been rescheduled as restricted, because then the habitual users don't come shopping, as no is now pretty universal

however, for some it has use, and can still be gotten "therapeutically"

 

but in that regard, heroin is illegal but would be great for palliative care

 

drug laws are haphazard

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Yeah,

My wife has been on 1mg of Xanax 3 times a day for years but it is for some help in muscle relaxation not depression. She is well aware she is addicted but prefers  that to the alternative, I guess it wont kill her.

My mother was on .25mg twice a day and she broke the tabs in half. I've no real idea why she was prescribed it in the first place but she has been taken off it anyway because apparently it does not help her respiration. She now takes valium to help her sleep, which is a bit of a joke, she sleeps all the time.

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56 minutes ago, chrisg said:

Yeah,

My wife has been on 1mg of Xanax 3 times a day for years but it is for some help in muscle relaxation not depression. She is well aware she is addicted but prefers  that to the alternative, I guess it wont kill her.

My mother was on .25mg twice a day and she broke the tabs in half. I've no real idea why she was prescribed it in the first place but she has been taken off it anyway because apparently it does not help her respiration. She now takes valium to help her sleep, which is a bit of a joke, she sleeps all the time.

Cheers

 

the muscle relaxation "benefit" of benzos is rather quickly lost due to tachyphylaxis - the need to take increasing dose for the same effect if used chronically, somewhat like narcotics for pain

 

in people with respiratory issue, narcotics are far superior for the "anxiety" of the very real sensation of suffocation - and that's how narcotic overdose kills by respiratory depression... users don't notice they need to breathe  ?

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Interesting Scruffy, I always thought Xanax was having very little affect for my wife, she's been on it over a decade.

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4 hours ago, scruffy1 said:

users don't notice they need to breathe

Well then..!  Guess that's one more reason I don't need not to be junkie.  I forget to breathe often enough without the 'help'. ?

(No, really.  World gets a little dim and spinny, then I get all gaspy for a few seconds.  Kinda frightening sometimes.  Only happens when I'm concentrating really hard on something, though, so... Guess neurosurgery is not for me.)

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