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I honestly do not know but I see an interesting conversation coming up with my brother in law and his son.

 

Bit of background, my BinL is something rather rarefied in the S.A. Education Department and also as a dedicated socialist spends a lot of time on union committees. His son at 39 is principal of a significant international school that just keeps on winning awards.

 

They do know what they are talking about, probably far better than me, but you can get too close to the coal face sometimes. It'll be an interesting conversation - in 40 odd years we have never argued, just converse, we are like that, a closer family you could not imagine  🙂 (Um, yes his son was involved in the dialogue about the time he could talk so 40 odd years is not far off 🙂 )

 

To preface, I doubt they know the answer but  am utterly certain they are working on it, very dedicated individuals.

 

Cheers

 

 

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5 hours ago, Kimmo said:

 

Anyone who doesn't condemn that fuckwit almost entirely is self-evidently blind. 

... well I can read your derision just fine.

 

You know what I condemn more ? Is the utter bigoted vitriol used to go after the elected POTUS  ... imo, each and every POTUS from here on in means absolutely SFA as far as showing respect to the office of. If this POTUS had rounded up the opposing party and shot them all then I could well get behind your opinion. ... ffs get a life.

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4 hours ago, chrisg said:

What actually ARE the necessary skills we need to be teaching kids as they grow up ?

 

Seriously, reading, writing and 'rithmetic ?

 

I'm not at all sure about  any of those any more.

 

Reading is undergoing a renaissance , to the delight of my recently retired librarian sister, and me, I love books, but even she admits an increasing number of people and thus by extension libraries are relying much more on audio books.

 

Writing ? Speech to text keeps getting better and I make no bones of the fact that my once very legible writing is now a disgrace from too many years on keyboards.

 

'Rithmetic ? I just reach for a calculator and have for decades.

Maybe we can teach kids to not take things so literally.

2 hours ago, Rybags said:

"Civics" - why bother?

 

It would be hijacked from the get-go and just be full of PC brainwashing.

 

Additionally, people not knowing how to do those most basic citizen things - just gives weight to the Nanny State proponents so there's a 2 pronged opposition to begin with - though that said the 2 groups occupy about 80% of the same Venn Diagram.

Nanny state proponents eh?  Why should I pay for your kids to learn to read and write!

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Maybe rather than simple reading and writing - we teach kids to become more effective communicators. Teach them the art of reasoned debate. Teach them how to engage in critical thinking and self-reflection. Those skills will prove most valuable as they mature and become functioning, contributing adults in society rather than hostile activists for bullshit causes, lost in a world of claptrap PC ideology, that only deepens their hatred for those of differing views.

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I rather think the point Nich is that teachers somewhat desperately need to find a new identity because the old ways are just that - utterly outmoded.

 

I also think that my very very capable nephew completely understands that and is well and truly on the hunt.

 

He already started the  reinvention of math here and he is still by anybody's terms a young man- truly incredible person.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

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I rather think the point of teaching reading and writing isn't to get the bare mechanics of it down.

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1 hour ago, Nich... said:

I rather think the point of teaching reading and writing isn't to get the bare mechanics of it down.

Sure it is, as young kids.

But if a kid does not learn those bare mechanics, then imo, most kids have little capability in learning at all.

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Bullshit, kids learn life because they embrace life  and go looking for it.

 

You do not have kids Ev, probably you just do not understand.

 

i hope that is not cruel because I do not intend it to be but even at 30 plus my daughter still astonishes me often,  the other one probably will as well, when she starts talking to me again 🙂

 

Kids have a bemusing tendency to teach you what you forgot in growing up....

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sure as young kids.  Didn't realise we were talking about young kids in high school in civics classes, tho'.  With the exception of a few poor sods, 18 yr olds doing their HSC aren't learning how to say and spell words.  You don't 'write' an essay to make sure you dot your Is and cross your Ts.

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Which does beg the question of the relevance of HSC in the first place.

 

I'm having this rather interesting debate  at the moment as I decide if I really want to return to the traditional workforce or not.

 

Look at most any Seek ad and you will find them looking for the usual - a 25 year old with 30 years experience and multiple quals.

 

i do not fit their mold and never wanted to but I have more quals, and experience than they even vaguely understand so they fall back on the possibility that I'm too old, except the law does not allow them to dismiss me for that reason, ageism is not allowed.

 

I'm in no rush. turned down jobs because I do not think I'd enjoy working several places - has the recruiters rather confused, they think I should be grateful to be given any opportunity.

 

 i am simply not interested, also coming to the conclusion that HR is a redundant profession occupied by people who could not get a job anywhere else  🙂

 

I don't HAVE to work, but I don't want to retire, rather luxurious in its own way.

 

I'll find a company that understands I can make them far more than they pay me and have a ball doing it, just a matter of waiting for the right one to come along  🙂

 

if not, beach is kinda nice this time of year, apart from a lack of bikinis 🙂

 

Cheers (i am still surfacing from over a half a year of being unable to work as I nursed my mother to her gentle death so you may have to forgive me some whimsy)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, chrisg said:

if not, beach is kinda nice this time of year, apart from a lack of bikinis 🙂

 

 

adelaide has really lovely sand, but crap surf, until you travel for miles - over that bloody big hill going south

 

boomer is good; waitpinga too - i lived in glenelg for several months when we first moved there (actually near the patawalonga ), but it's acres of sand fronting a lake at the "beach" there

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🙂

 

It does indeed, but I rarely bother to go there so it doesn't matter much (apart from the bikinis  🙂 )

 

It's somewhat difficult to go south from Adelaide without climbing one hill or another, nature of the place.

 

Cheers

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the local beach at manly has nice sand, variably good to excellent surf, and an abundance of attractive flesh in season

 

adelaide has lovely people (if you grew up there, otherwise it's a parochial large country town, and equally as exclusive of "imports" being easily accepted as locals)

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On 7/6/2019 at 3:18 PM, chrisg said:

Bit of background, my BinL is something rather rarefied in the S.A. Education Department and also as a dedicated socialist spends a lot of time on union committees. His son at 39 is principal of a significant international school that just keeps on winning awards.

 

We’re screwed.

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🙂

 

Actually I think they are the future Leo.

 

Not perhaps the future I had expected but not a bad one.

 

Cheers

 

 

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8 hours ago, chrisg said:

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Actually I think they are the future Leo.

 

Not perhaps the future I had expected but not a bad one.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

Socialists should not teach children. Much like anti-Vaxxers, Nazis, Islamolunatics of the IS persuasion and Christendom-peddlers.

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🙂

 

A rather large majority of teachers in Australia tend to be of a socialist persuasion, I don't know why but it seems to go with the territory.

 

I do have a problem with people turning into teachers before they even make 30 - seems to me you need to live first but my nephew does somewhat make me wonder about that.

 

Cheers

 

 

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2 hours ago, chrisg said:

A rather large majority of teachers in Australia tend to be of a socialist persuasion, I don't know why but it seems to go with the territory.

 

Because propaganda peddlers are attracted to unformed minds.

 

Worked for Stalin, Saddam, Hitler and Pol Pot.

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12 minutes ago, Leonid said:

Because propaganda peddlers are attracted to unformed minds.

QFT !

Bloody loved that post up there ^^ hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ... but I do also realise it is serious concern too

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I do not regard my binL or my nephew as being anything but well rounded human beings intent upon providing the best educational care possible to those given over to their care.

 

Hardly a month goes by my nephew does not have to deal with an attempted suicide, mostly copy cats - how he contains that and does not let it leak to his own rather amazing family I do not know - my BinL and myself are his place to dump, possibly others, dunno- we can shed it and he keeps sane - sometimes I do wonder how....

 

Cheers

 

 

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🙂

 

No, he's in Adelaide.

 

I don't actually have a link and probably would keep it private anyway, but hes is, purely and simply, incredible.

 

 

Cheers

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2 hours ago, Leonid said:

 

Because propaganda peddlers are attracted to unformed minds.

 

Worked for Stalin, Saddam, Hitler and Pol Pot.

Bam!!  True story 😎

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All of whom I despise, your point is ?

 

Cheers

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1 hour ago, chrisg said:

All of whom I despise, your point is ?

 

Cheers

 

 

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