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32 minutes ago, chrisg said:

even Leo seems to agree Trump is a buffoon.

 

The saving grace is that thoroughly unpleasant assholes and states that are responsible for this foreign policy stale mate, hate him. 

 

And I know that the enemy of my enemy being my friend is a recipe for disaster, but I don’t have any particular natural dislike for Trump. As a circuit breaker, couldn’t pick a better one.

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The worrying part, both Ev and Leo, is that Putin is an evil, nasty despot but he is also a competent and capable statesman, Trump isn't.

 

Basically Putin is playing chess with someone who has yet to learn to play checkers properly...

 

If we were talking about the leader of some tin-pot African shithole I would not give a damn, we are not, we are talking about the so-called leader of the free world who most of the time behaves more like a spoiled brat having a sulk over dropping his rattle out of his cot.

 

Wake up to yourselves, this is a serious game, not some give-a-shit sideshow.

 

Cheers

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On 13/07/2019 at 7:00 PM, eveln said:

careful you not be narrowing your own vision, that can sneak up on you without you even knowing 😉

As much popsci/popcultural cachet the whole alpha/beta male idea might still have, it's pretty much bunkum - people anthropomorphising wolves by begging the question.  Hence pseudoscience, literally.

The only people I know who still buy into it like to watch conspiracy videos and angry people on youtube, and usually also like to think they're an 'alpha' because they call other people 'cuck' the most.



Which is all stuff chrisg knows, because he knows everything.  He just won't tell you about it, but will happily sit there calling into question my mental capacity/state.  Which is the kind of thing he probably paints, in a retelling, that he got away with it because he has some weight over me, or some such veiled 'alpha' pissing in the wind.

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ROFL!!!!!!

 

Touch a nerve there Nich ?  🙂   🙂

 

Cheers

 

 

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2 hours ago, chrisg said:

 

The worrying part, both Ev and Leo, is that Putin is an evil, nasty despot but he is also a competent and capable statesman, Trump isn't.

 

 

Nope. He’s not.

 

He’s a reasonably competent businessman which is the only language Putin understands. He’s run rings around every other American President in his tenure. Took Abkhazia and South Ossetia in the Russo-Georgian War during Bush’s tenure.

 

The US’s and the EU’s timidity directly led to his taking a third of Ukraine during Obama’s presidency.

 

So right back at you:

2 hours ago, chrisg said:

Wake up to yourself, this is a serious game, not some give-a-shit sideshow.

 

... With the addition that a mainstream conservative and a mainstream progressive president (both dumb and dumber respectively, when it comes to foreign policy) haven’t been able to check Putin. And the alternative was Hillary or Sanders.

 

Think on that.

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Oh, that is totally true, I would not want Clinton at the helm, Sanders maybe but he has zilch track record on foreign policy as well, it would be a roll of the dice.

 

But Trump is just plain dangerous because he can't lie straight in bed, he has no track record of competence, none, Leo, he just lies and flubs his way out of everything.

 

He is also utterly irrational, I do not want an irrational person with their finger on the button - the smartest thing the moron ever did was have Pence as his VP, that protects him, Pence would be worse.... You think on that....

 

Very, very dangerous times.

 

I'm pretty certain most  if not all of Putin's new "super weapons" are hot air or irrational or too expensive but the fact is the fuckwit is putting money into them, best hope at the moment is that he bankrupts Russia - again, before any of it gets real.

 

We are not talking typical political bullshit negotiation here anymore pal, either of these morons could start Armageddon on a whim, but I'd bet on Trump trying to do it first.

 

I have reasonable faith in the U.S. system stopping that, but once you start breaking the tripwires it can rapidly accelerate.

 

I've game-planned this more than enough times to know how quickly it can surge out of control when you put an idiot in charge.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

Cheers

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... And now the moron is telling Democratic elected officials to go back to their countries...

 

Fucking idiot, three of the four he is attacking are U.S. born the last is a citizen...

 

He really does have shit for brains - be fascinated to see how you defend this latest clusterfuck....

 

Cheers

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9 hours ago, chrisg said:

But Trump is just plain dangerous because he can't lie straight in bed

 

Just the sort of person to take on Putin at his own game.

9 hours ago, chrisg said:

I've game-planned this more than enough times to know how quickly it can surge out of control when you put an idiot in charge.

 

Howd your game plan hold up during dumb and dumber’s Tenures?

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🙂

 

You think so?  as the saying goes Putin would say I'd love to play a game of wits with you but you are unarmed.

 

Putin is cunning, like a snake, Trump is no mongoose.

 

Game planning went on behind the scenes rather strongly during the Shrub administration if that is what you are referring  to but it was oriented far more towards brushfire wars that could turn nasty than global conflict because for a time that had become a reduced possibility.

 

People lie, people play games, during that era Russia's nuclear potential was close to zero, their missiles were under-maintained, unreliable, manned by unpaid alcoholics, there was really not too much to worry over. Add the fratricide factor and if it had gone pear shaped they'd probably have blown themselves up.

 

China was not in the ascendant, the biggest concern was terrorism, which 9/11 rather tellingly proved and which was a failure by the intel communities to predict. It's impossible to always get it right.

 

Now it's a different ball game that needs a serious player to keep the lid on it, Trump is not even in the third pick, he is utterly clueless at international relations.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, chrisg said:

Now it's a different ball game that needs a serious player to keep the lid on it

 

 

You had the choice of Sanders (who basically believes anyone as long as they’re not the West, like all good little socialists). You had Hillary.

 

You had Trump.

 

Pick the one you thing might be a little different in dealings with Putin given establishment conservatives and establishment progressives have not only failed at the game, but let Putin win by default.

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Heh, you are talking history, one of the more fucked up elections.

 

I'm talking real world, lunatics at the helm.

 

Cheers

 

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1 hour ago, chrisg said:

Heh, you are talking history, one of the more fucked up elections.

 

I'm talking real world, lunatics at the helm.

 

Cheers

 

 

I’m here in Russia right now Chris. I’m in lunatic central.

 

I can’t think of a single establishment figure in US politics whom I want facing against Putin, more than Trump.

 

Putin is not a politician. He is a spy. His entire life has been about threading the needle and turning favours on shady deals. He has no morals, no ethics, and he murders people obviously to send a message. The only reason his statements re women and pussy grabbing aren’t out is because (after Turkey) Russian journalists have the lowest life expectancy. They keep getting accidentally poisoned or falling out of balconies.

 

Who do you want facing that guy? Name a name.

 

Maybe when I’m back I’ll have collated the conversations I’ve had with my Moscow friends and my family from the middle of Russia near Yekaterinburg. Might be illuminating.

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14 hours ago, chrisg said:

... And now the moron is telling Democratic elected officials to go back to their countries...

 

Fucking idiot, three of the four he is attacking are U.S. born the last is a citizen...

 

He really does have shit for brains - be fascinated to see how you defend this latest clusterfuck....

 

Cheers

 

Sorry, I missed this in the scrolling.

 

I’m not going to defend it. I don’t have to. Because you still don’t understand the political environment in which those accusations played and why they will have zero effect on his popularity, even among people who voted for Obama multiple times.

 

Have a think about why that might be. I’ve given you the answer a million times - yet you still keep looking for that one awful thing that will sink him. You fail to understand why those things lift him.

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48 minutes ago, Leonid said:

 

I’m here in Russia right now...

Say G'Day to Snowden for me.

26 minutes ago, Leonid said:

 

I’ve given you the answer a million times 

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2 hours ago, Leonid said:

 

I’m here in Russia right now Chris. I’m in lunatic central.

 

I can’t think of a single establishment figure in US politics whom I want facing against Putin, more than Trump.

 

Putin is not a politician. He is a spy. His entire life has been about threading the needle and turning favours on shady deals. He has no morals, no ethics, and he murders people obviously to send a message. The only reason his statements re women and pussy grabbing aren’t out is because (after Turkey) Russian journalists have the lowest life expectancy. They keep getting accidentally poisoned or falling out of balconies.

 

Who do you want facing that guy? Name a name.

 

Maybe when I’m back I’ll have collated the conversations I’ve had with my Moscow friends and my family from the middle of Russia near Yekaterinburg. Might be illuminating.

?

 

To Counter Putin ?

 

Definitely not Trump, but after that I at the moment agree, possibly Harris, we don't know enough about her yet but Trump would be lying right up to Armageddon to make himself look good.

 

Putin is going to bring about the next downfall of the Russian hoax, but he will take down a lot with him, I'd prefer he keep that within Russia, best of all Russia in one guise or another off the useless piece of shit.

 

Cheers

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2 hours ago, chrisg said:

Definitely not Trump, but after that I at the moment agree, possibly Harris

 

A black female from California whose signature effort thus far has been to bring down Biden for supporting some less-than-woke policies in the fucken 1970s when he had to negotiate with actual fucken white nationalists in Congress? That is the woman you think can take Putin?

 

She would make a phenomenal president but let’s not kid ourselves. She presents not an iota of a challenge to Putin. She’ll do the whole rules-based-order post-war schtick that hasn’t worked for 70 fucken years.

 

Be real.

 

Putin is an immoral dictator. Name a name on just one person who might be able to outbullshit Putin. Because that’s what it takes.

 

Name a name.

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Posted (edited)

🙂

 

I'll say again POSSIBLY Harris ,we know little about her yet, but she shows promise.

 

Definitely not Trump, and no, not Biden either.

 

i'm not convinced it takes bullshit though, more steely resolve to look him in the eye and tell him to fuck off - Harris may just have that.

 

The truth is we won't know until the elections are done, at the moment the Americans are much more focused on domestic issues which are rapidly coming back to bite them as the idiocies of Trump emerge.

 

International intrigue is a completely different playing field, one most American Presidents have never been seen to be very good at.

 

Cheers

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4 hours ago, chrisg said:

i'm not convinced it takes bullshit though, more steely resolve to look him in the eye and tell him to fuck off - Harris may just have that.

 

You mean shirtfront him like Abbott?

 

That does not work. Next.

 

Name a name.

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Not like Abbott, he could barely shirtfront my daughter- actually she'd hang him out to dry.

 

At the moment I'm sticking with Harris, I would have liked it to be O'Rourke but he seems to have faded from the scene, maybe next round if the planet is still here.

 

However you seem to have some naive belief that Trump can control Putin, in your dreams boy....

 

Cheers

 

 

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18 hours ago, chrisg said:

Harris, we don't know enough about her yet

 

10 hours ago, chrisg said:

POSSIBLY Harris ,we know little about her yet, but she shows promise.

So. At least twice over you admit you know sweet fuck all about her. ( surprised the hell out of me cos you know you just know every one )

 

... but then around the same time you say ...

  10 hours ago, chrisg said:

i'm not convinced it takes bullshit though, more steely resolve to look him in the eye and tell him to fuck off - Harris may just have that."

 

... assumptions much ? Based on what ? her standing up to Biden ? ...lol.

What a joke !

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5 hours ago, chrisg said:

🙂

 

At the moment I'm sticking with Harris,

 

Because a black woman who cries on stage about how awful it was to be bussed back in the 1970s... is going to be the one Putin will be afraid of. He ate fucken Condoleeza Rice alive and that woman has bigger balls than you, your daughter and Tony Abbott combined.

 

Jesus Chris.

 

The candidate *you like* isn’t going to be the one who can flummox Putin. In fact the candidate *you* like is going to be the one least likely because you’re going for a serial government or public services employee. Against a dictator-spy.

 

Name a name. Harris ain’t someone who will scare anything above a neighbourhood cat.

5 hours ago, chrisg said:

However you seem to have some naive belief that Trump can control Putin, in your dreams boy....

 

I have the belief that Trump is at least unpredictable enough to change Putin’s game plan. Because Trump has no pedigree in the world’s “rule-based-order” that Putin, as a spy, has worked around and through for 45 years.

 

Do you understand that Chris? He manipulates the world order because he fundamentally understands the West’s weaknesses and our inability to play dirty in above-ground diplomacy.

 

For all your bravado and “I know because I’ve game-planned” crap, you need to understand: you do not understand the non-western psyche. You’ve seen it. But you can’t think like them.

 

Which name can you name that will play dirty and block his sneaky side-bolts around the “rules-based-order”?

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🙂

 

Harris is interesting, I'd suggest she probably does have the balls to stand up to Putin. In the end he's just another spook. Careful Leo, so was I 😉

 

We'll see, the one thing that would scare me is "deal fucker upper" Trump being the best the west can put up.

 

Cheers

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3 hours ago, chrisg said:

Harris is interesting

 

In exactly the same way Obama was. Which means barring some unseen thus far quality in her, she loses to Putin every single time. Because at the end of the day she’s just another career public service type that’s been told what and how to do it.

 

Name a name. Not Harris. She’s got nothing. This name has to be someone who can beat Putin at his game.

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