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4 hours ago, Kimmo said:

Surely you don't expect me to have nothing between unreserved praise and unmitigated condemnation? I mean really. Come on. 

... only when not referring to Trump perhaps 😉

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Why can't you just face the fact that Trump is human garbage, Eveln? It couldn't be more obvious; the guy is like a cartoon caricature of a supreme douchebag, for crying out loud. Redeeming qualities numbering zero, unless you count the fact that he's so awful he inspires other people to make up for his existence. 

If someone were to just tell me that such a dude existed, it'd be hard to believe someone could be so thoroughly vile, I grant you that. But Trump has been putting the runs on the board for decades, in the public domain. So far, nobody who can breathe through their nose has had a good word to say about him. Nobody. I'm one of the last people to ever write someone off; I actually believe society would be better off without jails. But fucking Trump is an edge case; purest scum. He makes Dubya look like a decent guy, FFS! 

9 hours ago, eveln said:

Sure it was.  The guy was gonna have shot at nailing someone you hate ... like '  the enemy of my enemy becomes my friend ', yeah ? <<< how cool is that

Um, no - I told you I wasn't thoroughly endorsing Bezos, and that means I don't thoroughly endorse Bezos. I certainly don't agree with all the nice benefit of the doubt stuff that Chris came out with. Where do you get off insisting otherwise, I wonder? How about this - I can tell from reading between your lines that what you're really saying is that you want to elope with Clive Palmer. 

Awesome, huh? 

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oh come on, Kimmo.  i say she got you with a sick burn there :)

how is you saying Trump has 'no redeeming qualities' any less hyperbolic and meaningless than Leo's take on socialism?

he can be a misguided self-serving self-aggrandising douche and still preside over a cabinet responsible for *some* good policy ideas.  i believe he wants to bring back manufacturing, for example, probably most of all to crow about it and be judged favourably by history, but there are at least the seeds of some twisted paternalistic altruism therein.  the execution may be all wrong, and he may ultimately screw the poor harder than before, but some degree of protectionism seems like a good thing to me.  or how about foreign policy?  whats your take my last post in your AOC thread?

 

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1 hour ago, Kimmo said:

How about this - I can tell from reading between your lines that what you're really saying is that you want to elope with Clive Palmer. 

Awesome, huh? 

I'd say you have an incredibly out there imagination.

 

1 hour ago, Kimmo said:

Why can't you just face the fact that Trump is human garbage, Eveln?

It's your fact  opinion Kimmo. I am merely looking at what I see coming out of the States. The country is still there. The people are apparently still doing their thing. The country does not appear to be in the same dire turmoil that
the French are going through just now. And that to me says that even if you never like the bloke himself, Trump does not appear to be hurting his country in the same way as Macron seems to be doing just now ...

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7 hours ago, @~thehung said:

how is you saying Trump has 'no redeeming qualities' any less hyperbolic and meaningless than Leo's take on socialism?

In all fairness to Kimmo, he has Leonid on ignore ... so unless you quote everything Leonid says Kimmo doesn't read it ... apparently

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5 hours ago, eveln said:

I am merely looking at what I see coming out of the States. The country is still there. The people are apparently still doing their thing. The country does not appear to be in the same dire turmoil that
the French are going through just now. And that to me says that even if you never like the bloke himself, Trump does not appear to be hurting his country in the same way as Macron seems to be doing just now

I don't think Kimmo was being at all hyperbolic there: Trump has *zero* redeeming qualities as far as I can see.  Is he honest? Dear God no - he often contradicts himself within mere minutes, in the same speech, on camera.  Does he take a stand for anything?  No - because: Can he compromise?  No - he either folds completely or does not budge at all.  (Whilst that might look like taking a stand, it's just stubbornness - he knows damned well there are more effective border controls, be he's gotta have a monument in the desert)  Is he generous?  Fuck no! (He rarely pays his employees, let alone give money away to strangers)  Is he a loving and faithful husband?  No.  Is he a loving father?  No - there's pride of possession in his face when he looks at his kids, but not love - or maybe lust in the case of Ivanka.

Further:

- According to Melania herself, he has a collection of Hitler's speeches on the nightstand.  It's the only 'book' he owns. (it's closer to being one than the magazines he looks at the pictures of)

- He watched an old man fall off a stage at one of his hotels and he "thought he was dead" in his own words.  His concern was not to check on the guy, it was to stop him getting blood all over his nice new marble floors.

- He has used a 'charity' foundation he set up to fund himself - with nothing going to actual charity.

- He bought a lot in Scotland intending to develop it for a golf course, but when a neighbouring farmer (on ancestral land) was a) unsightly and b) refused to sell to him, cut off his utilities, blocked his driveway and then the road when eventually forced to move the impediment; ... and various other acts of bastardy.

And many more I can't be bothered to recite and check for veracity at this time of night.

Whilst the USA has not yet fallen in a heap, that is *not* due to Trump being anything like decent.  Partly that's due to him totally incompetent at anything but blowing his own horn, but it's more is due to Americans themselves on the whole being not quite ready to don the jackboots just yet.

 

I have disagreements with the philosophical stance of the Republican Party.  I also have some with the Democrats.  Right now, though, there are a bare handful of sitting Republicans worth spitting on, and those Reps are condemning Trump, his cronies, and the rest of the RP very loudly - and I agree with them.

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1 hour ago, Cybes said:

and I agree with them.

I'm happy for you . << that sounds lame and sarcastic. Sorry about the "lame", but I mean it, it's not me being sarcastic.

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Really Ev?

What on earth do you see that is useful about Trump?

He's built his cabinet around sacking everyone who either doesn't agree with him or is not telling him what he wants to hear, he has dismissed the intel community as not knowing what they are doing, that he knows better, he has done likewise with the U.S. military, he cut of wages to best part of a million Americans to attempt to get his way on his pathetic wall, he works less hours than any President in history with his daily schedule full of "executive time," he cozies up to a psychotic like Putin, who is playing him like a fiddle and claims to be resolving the NK situation whilst that blot on the landscape goes on expanding its nuclear capability under his nose.

He only believes what he want to believe, thinks he ALWAYS knows best and delights is telling that to anyone who will listen.

He doesn't read his daily reports, gets his briefings from television and condemns any media that is not aligned to his pathetic viewpoint.

I could go on, but America is currently enduring thorough inertia and the efforts of the public service that has kept on doing their work in spite of him, not because of.

Time will reveal the truth about the moron and his very few supporters will winnow away and he will be totally exposed for the idiotic, low cunning, self aggrandising piece of shit that he is.

The problem is that there is a segment of American society that are very similar in outlook to him, the ones who want the KKK back in force, who would roll back emancipation and actually believe the idiot because they are idiots themselves.

I could well go on...

Cheers

 

 

 

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You also love to spout your opinions to any and everyone who cares enough to read them chrisg Pretty much like me too and all the rest of us that post anywhere in the universe 🙂

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Everyone has opinions Ev, I'm simply wondering what gives you a favorable opinion of Trump.

I listed a series of known information about his actions and the manner in which he is behaving as a President.

To not just me but many, many others he is running America in the same way he has run companies, many of which have gone bankrupt, but not affecting him, just the people who lost their livelihoods as a consequence of his mismanagement.

America is running on inertia at the moment but one more shut-down of government, which he is threatening this week will quite possibly be the last straw.

The shutdown he created left a lot of people without income, many contractors will not see their lost income reappear, employees will, possibly already have but they are looking down the barrel of a repeat driven by his insistence that he wants a wall, that hasn't been costed, is not going to be effective in any meaningful manner, and is quite possibly a white elephant.

He's bringing the country down around his ears and facing attacks from all sides, some of the mud will stick.

That doesn't help those he has already hurt and meanwhile he compromised national security, damaged the infrastructure of government and alienated many both within the country and overseas.

The best that anyone seemed to come up with was that at least he hadn't started another war but now he has one brewing over the situation in Venezuela and although I don't disagree over getting out of Syria, should not have been there, he is precipitating a power vacuum there and ISIS in another guise are waiting to fill that void.

Cheers

 

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4 hours ago, chrisg said:

What on earth do you see that is useful about Trump?

The fact that on at least some things he is not accepting a 100 year status quo?

 

4 hours ago, chrisg said:

He's built his cabinet around sacking everyone who either doesn't agree with him or is not telling him what he wants to hear

And yet it's functioning and delivering policies.

 

4 hours ago, chrisg said:

he has dismissed the intel community

Iraq War. 9/11. Boston Marathon. 

Let's put it simply: Trump is not always wrong, and the Intel Community is not always right. There's just a slight difference in the body count of each when they get it wrong. Only slight.

 

1 hour ago, chrisg said:

America is running on inertia at the moment but one more shut-down of government, which he is threatening this week will quite possibly be the last straw

He'll probably avoid the shutdown by the means I described earlier. He's primed the Dems to take the fall if negotiations fail.

He'll use emergency powers to build the wall in spite of the Dems and the Dems will have the pyrrhic choice of extending the shutdown for no reason.

 

1 hour ago, chrisg said:

He's bringing the country down around his ears and facing attacks from all sides, some of the mud will stick.

Yeah. The guy who decreased taxes, lifted employment and brought about the first real increase in real wages since Clinton... is bringing the country down. Uhuh

14 hours ago, @~thehung said:

how is you saying Trump has 'no redeeming qualities' any less hyperbolic and meaningless than Leo's take on socialism?

Because Leo's take on socialism has 50 axiomatic examples?

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Heh,

Like most robust alternate views the two sides end up at extremes, myself as much as those who want to see the best in Trump whilst I do not, mainly because of what his actions forebode, consequences.

However to see if there is some less biased opinion we could look to a usually more level headed media, just we need to look outside the U.S.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42653793

I doubt that will change any opinions around here however it is pretty accurate, just subject to cherry picking 🙂

note: It is a year old, he's sewed a deal more controversy since.

Cheers

 

 

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15 hours ago, @~thehung said:

how is you saying Trump has 'no redeeming qualities' any less hyperbolic and meaningless than Leo's take on socialism?

he can be a misguided self-serving self-aggrandising douche and still preside over a cabinet responsible for *some* good policy ideas.  i believe he wants to bring back manufacturing, for example, probably most of all to crow about it and be judged favourably by history, but there are at least the seeds of some twisted paternalistic altruism therein.  the execution may be all wrong, and he may ultimately screw the poor harder than before, but some degree of protectionism seems like a good thing to me.  or how about foreign policy?  whats your take my last post in your AOC thread?

It seems Trump is happy to let the Kurds hang out to dry for the sake of an arms deal with Erdogan, who wants the yanks out of the way in Syria. 

From where I'm standing, anything he does that isn't completely misguided appears to be flat-out sabotage. He is a dead set Manchurian candidate. It blows my mind that you of all people are not across this. Too much metacynicism, perhaps? 

It's one thing to be in bed with those nutjobs who don't believe in government and think the shutdown was just great, but how many times has he pissed off Putin? Maybe once, if we're being generous? And there was that time he totally sucked Putin off in front of the world, and wiped off on his own intel services. 

Looks like a duck, quacks like a fucken duck. 

Oh, and then there's all the evidence of what a garbage human he is from the entire time before his presidency, that folks should have known before they voted for him, so the US is doing pretty good for garbage humans, it seems. No shortage at all. 

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There’s not enough fingers and toes on one human to count the US Presidents who have fucked over the Kurds.

I had real hopes for Trump there.

But let’s look at it realistically. What’s the fucken plan?

The war didn’t exactly go to plan. Assad’s won. It’s an Iranian puppet state, secured with Russian forces and Lebanese paramilitaries. Little fault for this can be assigned to Trump.

So what’s he supposed to do? Keep 2000 troops there for Assad to repeat what he already did in Iraq (pay like-minded thugs to murder Americans and give them refuge in his country)? Leave them there to have Iranians take potshots or for the Lebs to repeat the barracks bombing of 1980s Beirut?

 

What’s the fucken plan?

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It amuses me greatly that the people who opposed my views on the Iraq War, and from which I’ve learned some hard lessons - are so damned keen to repeat them.

If any of you remember, Bush used the terrorist angle as a primary reason. His second reason was to help the Kurds who were the main targets of Saddam’s arsenal.

I fully agree. We need to help the Kurds. Frankly we should help anyone fighting Arab dominion West of the Arabian Peninsula’s bulk.

The Kurds are already (in part) a nascent State. Why not just arm them enough to make Syrians and Iraqis think twice and put the hard word on Turkey that the next round of sanctions for any op against the Kurds will leave them with pebbles for currency as rocks will be more valuable than the Turkish Lira?

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Hmm,

Don't recall my have much of an issue with the Iraq war, if you mean GW1, until they went and stopped too soon. Not exclusively but a lot of my concern had to do with the Kurds, whom Saddam had been gassing.

Of course by stopping he went and took out more of his ire on the Kurds, so it hardly helped them.

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2 hours ago, Kimmo said:

Looks like a duck, quacks like a fucken duck.

https://image.ibb.co/iKMKby/Trumpwnt.gif (9MB, let it load before watching it)

Full disclosure: I synced up the reactions to compensate for interpreter delay, and doubled Putin's much shorter reaction with a reverse for comic effect.

But get a load of fucken Trump.

No way to make that address a link, the wysiwyg editor will only embed or plain text... you'll have to copy/paste

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10 hours ago, chrisg said:

He only believes what he want to believe, thinks he ALWAYS knows best and delights is telling that to anyone who will listen.

This was the line I wanted to quote earlier today but couldn't seem to

...The above comment of chrisg's is a pretty common trait  ;)

4 hours ago, TheManFromPOST said:

and with the Democrats being bigger idiots, Trump will win the 2020 election

Given the horror show over Trump ...I'm almost curious to see how bad the crap about Hilary's shenanigans would be ... unless of course the feeling is that Hilary can do no wrong

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4 hours ago, Kimmo said:

It's one thing to be in bed with those nutjobs who don't believe in government and think the shutdown was just great,

um, who thinks the shutdown was "just great " ?

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I'm pretty careful of what I post Ev, peer review around here is pretty knowledgeable but this is just opinion about an individual, happens I think he's not much of a president and America may well rue his time in office - time will tell...

Cheers

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10 minutes ago, chrisg said:

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I'm pretty careful of what I post Ev, peer review around here is pretty knowledgeable but this is just opinion about an individual, happens I think he's not much of a president and America may well rue his time in office - time will tell...

Cheers

He is definitely not much of a president. Obama was.

That's why we're in the shit now.

Used to be the case that politicians were regular folks, even if they were rich... it wasn't a profession one aspired to across multiple generations.

7 hours ago, chrisg said:

many of which have gone bankrupt

Previous point missed. I repeat again... this is the list of presidents who have been bankrupt either formally or in effect due to lack of bankruptcy laws at the time:

  • Abe Lincoln (16)
  • Ulysses S. Grant (18)
  • Harry Truman (33)
  • William McKinley (25)
  • William Harrison (9)
  • James Monroe (5)
  • James Madison (4)
  • Thomas Jefferson (3)

Excluding McKinley and Harrison, Monroe and Madison who are not well known (hard gig being presidents after Jefferson), though Monroe has a city in Liberia named after him... these are some of the most famous and effective Presidents of American history.

Not a bad club to be in.

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25 minutes ago, chrisg said:

America may well rue his time in office - time will tell...

"Hating presidents is in our DNA," says Thomas Schwartz, a presidential historian at Vanderbilt University. "The more consequential the president, the more intense the hate. [Lyndon] Johnson had a play written about him called MacBird which accused him of killing Kennedy. Roosevelt was despised by America's upper class -- some referred to him as 'rubber legs.' "
Democrats usually flavor their hate with contempt for the president as stupid, Schwartz says, pointing to Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan and George Bush the younger. Republicans, on the other hand, tend to focus on certain characteristics -- corruption with Harry Truman, dishonesty with Bill Clinton.
 

Sound awfully familiar?

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Memory says at least Lincoln and Truman,  and I think most of the others never actually went bankrupt, they were not spectacularly good businessmen, at least one was swindled and lost it all in the crash, another sold some of his slaves to raise funds but they were personal financial problems, not akin to all the messes Trump has sequentially made of businesses without impacting his personal bottom line.

https://www.thoughtco.com/donald-trump-business-bankruptcies-4152019

You really want this person influencing the U.S. economy ?

Cheers

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