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Hmm,

 

Communism is and always has been a flawed doctrine yet two of the three most powerful nations on earth pretend to subscribe to it.

 

Why is that I wonder ?

 

Not to answer my own question but democracy needs a foil, otherwise it descends into corruption.

 

Cheers

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2 hours ago, Leonid said:

National Socialism

 

The Nazi party was opposed to socialism from their formation (before they even named themselves), but Germany itself was full of it, so they slipped "socialist" into their name as a PR exercise to attract potential members.  The only people who keep making the link are basing it on the name alone and not looking at a single one of the tenets of either.

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^ Not that simple Cybes.

 

If you joined the Nazis in the 20s it was undoubtedly a socialist party.

 

It’s in the mid-30s that the split with socialism started and remember: those who joined as socialists including most of the top cabal, became Nazis.

 

This is because the ideologies are not too dissimilar. Once you believe “the rich Jewish bourgeoisie control capital and keep the worker down”, it’s no big stretch to “the racially inferior Jewish bankers control capital and keep Aryan Volk down”.

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They have a lot of common with Socialists though... one of the main foundations stones being "it's someone else's fault".

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4 hours ago, Leonid said:

Once you believe “the rich Jewish bourgeoisie control capital and keep the worker down”, it’s no big stretch to “the racially inferior Jewish bankers control capital and keep Aryan Volk down”.

That was one very crazy belief instilled in the population at that time, but some loons in this crazy world still believe such silly things, so sad 😞

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It’s still a belief among most socialists and all Nazis.

 

Why do you think it’s so common to see Socialist-Islamist alliances? 
 

Who you hate binds you far more than any small disagreements.

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@datafast69 mmm it's funny in a confusing sort of way, not a laughing sort of way, but taking your comment at face value, then why is it so not cool that we try get on with North Korea or Russia, but cool that we do try to get on with a religion  / belief system that thinks it's okay for child brides to be a thing, etc.etc.etc. Granted I don't think each and every individual within that religion / belief system thinks exactly the same way, but then I don't think everyone that comes out of Russia or North Korea does either .  It's just a wacky fucking world hey what ?!

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10 minutes ago, eveln said:

@datafast69 mmm it's funny in a confusing sort of way, not a laughing sort of way, but taking your comment at face value, then why is it so not cool that we try get on with North Korea or Russia, but cool that we do try to get on with a religion  / belief system that thinks it's okay for child brides to be a thing, etc.etc.etc. Granted I don't think each and every individual within that religion / belief system thinks exactly the same way, but then I don't think everyone that comes out of Russia or North Korea does either .  It's just a wacky fucking world hey what ?!

That's the problem, It is difficult to take on face value, these things are very complex as you know.

 

I do not mean accepting or tolerating all things by removing the type of hate that leads to violence. Edit: It's the blanket forms of hatred where someone hates all Muslims, or all Jews, or all of any but the most extreme ideological belief systems that I am talking about. Extreme hate, there are different types of hate, like when I say I hate pickles it does no real harm.

 

Fark, too difficult for me to articulate in text.

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1 minute ago, datafast69 said:

That's the problem, It is difficult to take on face value, these things are very complex as you know.

 

I do not mean accepting or tolerating all things by removing the type of hate that leads to violence.

but you have to take people at face value cos that's all there is. there is nothing complex about asking people not to treat minors as if they are adults.

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3 minutes ago, eveln said:

but you have to take people at face value cos that's all there is. there is nothing complex about asking people not to treat minors as if they are adults.

 

13 minutes ago, datafast69 said:

That's the problem, It is difficult to take on face value, these things are very complex as you know.

 

I do not mean accepting or tolerating all things by removing the type of hate that leads to violence. Edit: It's the blanket forms of hatred where someone hates all Muslims, or all Jews, or all of any but the most extreme ideological belief systems that I am talking about. Extreme hate, there are different types of hate, like when I say I hate pickles it does no real harm.

 

Fark, too difficult for me to articulate in text.

I guess I'm talking about unjustified hatred that leads to unjustified persecution of others.

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Interesting article: https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/it-s-not-only-about-brexit-jeremy-corbyn-must-wear-blame-for-drubbing-20191213-p53jky.html

 

Three interesting points:

1. The longest suicide note in history has a new author and his name is Jeremy Corbyn.

2. [Boris Johnson] is someone who has clearly grasped the fact that is easier for the right to move left on economics than it is for the left to move right on questions of identity.

3. If Johnson's government runs its full five-year term it will have been 50 years since any Labour leader other than Blair won a general election in Britain

 

Conclusions:

1. The left is chasing an increasingly narrow and incompatible path to victory, relying on woke "Wakanda Forever, gender is fluid, Allahu Akbar!" coalitions that have absolutely nothing in common except hatred of the West's culture - and are all unable to compromise with any perceived transgressions.

2. The left has lost the working class. This is effectively a global phenomenon at this point, mostly due to (1)

3. There is no path to victory without the centre - which means... no socialism.

 

Prediction:

1. Overwhelming Trump win in 2020

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from your smh link @Leonid ... " "Boris Johnson has not only promised to deliver Brexit and get tough on crime, but he's also promised to spend more on the National Health Service, more on infrastructure and raise the minimum wage. "

 

if Boris (  and his Gov.)  keeps his head on and feet planted firmly and does what he has promised, then yes Labor will have some honest to goodness miracle/s to achieve Government again

 

7 hours ago, Leonid said:

Prediction:

1. Overwhelming Trump win in 2020

Now there's a country and a Party that needs a miracle to change the flow of, I would say a natural progression of a force for survival.

The Losing partys in both the UK and USA don't believe in miracles though.

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Pretty close to the truth.  The left has become utterly repugnant.

Stupid, mostly white people who think they can win elections by directing hateful policies  towards working-class white people.

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The thing with the Democrats in America is that they cannot really be defined as "left" in the way that Labor in the UK is "left."

 

There are aspects of the British Labor Party that i have simply never been able to stomach but I cannot say the same of the Democrats.

 

I really do not know with Trump at the moment, if he does get re-elected it will be because the Democrats lost, not because he won. However he has to get there first, in fact his entire future rests upon his being re-elected, the civil cases are piling up.

 

Meanwhile though the Democrats are in such utter disarray that it almost beggars belief. They need to set a clear cut agenda, get behind one candidate and get their act together but there is not too much evidence of that thus far.

 

At the moment they seem entirely focused on the futile impeachment. Yes it will pass in the lower house, it has little to no chance in the Senate because the incumbent Republican Senators are too fearful of their jobs.

 

So what they are hoping is that if they keep throwing, perfectly justifiable, mud at the  Trump enough will stick to bring him down. They seem utterly ignorant of the fact that Trump supporters don't care that he is a narcissistic blundering lying moron who likely is exhibiting signs of dementia, that just makes him more one of them...

 

There are signs of movement against him though, mainly because he has pissed off so many, many minorities. It really depends if his crazy administration's antics tank the economy in the next few months, it has been running on borrowed time but if it stays alive long enough he may well get a mandate to completely wreck it.

 

Boris is a snake of a different colour, to mangle metaphors, he manages to be a womaniser, a showman, a liar, an old Etonian yet still is identifiable with the man-in-the-street - a very neat trick under which lies a thoroughly capable politician.

 

In a way the election has given voice to the UK people with respect to Brexit, not that they necessarily want it but that they are both sick of the procrastination and could not, under any circumstance, see Corbyn in Number 10.

 

Now it remains to be seen how soft an exit Boris can negotiate, he most certainly now has the mandate to navigate to a very soft landing rather than the crashing out that was imminent before the election.

 

Personally i maintain that leaving the EU is a mistake and don't really believe that a majority in England actually want to leave, or would not if the consequences were properly explained to them. It is rather obvious that the entire referendum was very poorly explained and in a country that does not have compulsory voting was somewhat apathetically voted upon.

 

An entire generation and more has lived in Britain as part of the EU, they don't really remember what it was like before, i think they may be in for a rude awakening.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Leonid said:

Prediction:

1. Overwhelming Trump win in 2020

Yup, too many idiots in the USA willing to keep floating this piece of shit bigoted, racist, misogynistic, deluded self obsessed lying moron.

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1 hour ago, datafast69 said:

Yup, too many idiots in the USA willing to keep floating this piece of shit bigoted, racist, misogynistic, deluded self obsessed lying moron.

 

You think they don't know that he is all of those things to a greater or lesser extent?

They do. And yet they vote for him anyway.

Maybe it's time some internalised why that happens?

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13 minutes ago, Leonid said:

 

You think they don't know that he is all of those things to a greater or lesser extent?

They do. And yet they vote for him anyway.

Maybe it's time some internalised why that happens?

Some  support him because they just lack any ability to reason well, and or have personal interest and align with his tasteless traits.

 

There are a few types and mixes of that he appeals to.

 

1/ the dumb rednecks that can't reason effectively.

2/ Those others that share some or all of those Trump traits I mentioned.

3/ Those with self interests, like some that work in industry or have investments in, whether they be in or around fossil fuels, armament manufacturing and sales, or just plain outright gun nuts ect'.

4/ religious fanatics (see second part of 1/)

 

Trumps influence within the USA and across the world has only been negative.

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He's gonna win and you still haven't worked out why because you think the people who vote for him are mental.

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2 minutes ago, Leonid said:

He's gonna win and you still haven't worked out why because you think the people who vote for him are mental.

You entertain, Leo 😀

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As bad as he is, he was more palattable than the alternative and there's a high chance he'll also be that way the next time.

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