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4 minutes ago, chrisg said:

You really want this person influencing the U.S. economy ?

Yes. Out of 500 active businesses in The Trump Organization, 6 went bankrupt, some of which is attributable to a recession.

Conversely, Branson who has started over 100 businesses has had 16 failures.

I'll take both of those odds.

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Hell... even the Oracle of Omaha has made big-mistakes.

He lost $1.75b on Energy Future Holdings. Other bad deals include Dexter Shoe Co ($3.5b loss), Solomon Brothers, IBM, etc.

Wouldn't you still take Buffett to steward the American economy despite his mistakes?

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Buffett would be a rank amateur at fuck ups compared to Trump:

https://gawker.com/a-complete-list-of-donald-trump-s-business-disasters-1764151188

 Buffett has a long, long line of successes that far outweigh his odd missteps, Trump only accidentally seems to have one whilst dancing in the business minefield and blowing his balls off.

His only saving grace , for himself, is he risks other people's money, not his own.

Cheers

 

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41 minutes ago, chrisg said:

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Buffett would be a rank amateur at fuck ups compared to Trump:

https://gawker.com/a-complete-list-of-donald-trump-s-business-disasters-1764151188

 Buffett has a long, long line of successes that far outweigh his odd missteps, Trump only accidentally seems to have one whilst dancing in the business minefield and blowing his balls off.

His only saving grace , for himself, is he risks other people's money, not his own.

Cheers

 

I count 16. Out of 500 he either owns, inherited or started.

Even 16 failures out of 100 ain't bad, given 66% of businesses fail within 10 years.

 

Any other outlandish claims about Trump's business incompetencies, because thus far... he's doing well above average.

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What's outlandish is what the failures I linked reveal about the Trump ego.

I'm not about to go do a Trump business analysis but treating himself as a...brand, is somewhat bizarre, not exactly something you'd expect to see on the CV of the leader of the free world .

The closest I can recall would be the Kennedy clan but that was more a lineage. I'n not a Kennedy sycophant, well aware of their feet of clay but they had Amerca's best interests at heart, Trump seems to have a rather fragile self-image that is sustained by an ego that is bemusing and constantly shoring up the image he has of himself. In short his interest is very much self-interest.

i'm inclined to think the psychologists would have a field day - probably already have.

I could get a deal concerned over an ego like that when push came to shove and the nuclear option was on the table.

Cheers

 

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1 hour ago, chrisg said:

but treating himself as a...brand, is somewhat bizarre

So does Branson.

Also, not bizarre - it’s genius. He’s made his name synonymous with success and wealth.

It’s amazing marketing. A solid proportion of his income is based on allowing use of his name on businesses that he has nothing to do with.

It also means everything he starts has a leg up in the perception of wealth and success - which breeds its own wealth and success.

1 hour ago, chrisg said:

i'm inclined to think the psychologists would have a field day - probably already have.

Remember Bush? Democrats insinuated he was stupid and maybe just a little psychologically damaged. That’s their standard play, as even NPR states above.

And the media runs with it.

There’s nothing wrong with Trump except perhaps zero attention span which would come from the obvious reality of running so many different things.

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1 hour ago, chrisg said:

I could get a deal concerned over an ego like that when push came to shove and the nuclear option was on the table.

It’s been two years. If I had believed a single word you, other atomicans and half of America had said, we’d be what... on our fourth nuclear cataclysm by now?

You believe bullshit about him (psychological problems) based on other bullshit and extrapolate more bullshit (launching a nuclear war). It doesn’t work like that.

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Branson is not the leader of the free world, he created a brand, Virgin, not a brand called Branson.

Brand building is perfectly reasonable and if the builder happens to be charismatic and identifiable with the brand so much the better. Gates as part initially of a triumvirate did just that but his name was not Microsoft and once he stepped aside Bulmer was not an acceptable face of the company.

Nuclear theory is  an utterly different issue, the potential for a situation to spin out of control has always been there, egos need to be put aside and the situation pulled back from the brink. Trump is not a cool head, he's impulsive and ego driven an "always right" mentality, that is dangerous.

We would not be on a second or even third nuclear cataclysm, one is all it will take. The concept of limited nuclear war has long been suspect there is too great a possibility for loss of control and a situation spinning into oblivion.

Be clear, I don't think the U.S. checks and balances system would allow Trump to start a nuclear war, but I do think he might make threats and be misinterpreted.  It takes two to tango, a bit worrying that Putin in particular is the cooler head.

I don't have to believe any bullshit about Trump, nor do I, it spouts out of his own mouth and there is a lot more wrong with him than zero attention span, in particular as President he should not be involved in anything else but being President, not his businesses.

His attention span seems to be all on himself, well, that and golf, since he fucked up running casinos golf courses were a safer bet for him.

Ever noticed him admitting to a mistake on his part ?

Cheers

 

 

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3 hours ago, chrisg said:

Ever noticed him admitting to a mistake on his part ?

Who, Trump or Leo?

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6 minutes ago, Cybes said:

Who, Trump or Leo?

🙂

Both -probably me as well 🙂 (I do try to be right first time 🙂  )

Cheers

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3 hours ago, chrisg said:

probably me as well

[never admitting to mistakes]

This statement is probably false

😉

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We are into the character assassination now, your arguments lacking in substance, so much so, that this is what you have stooped to.

Let me simplyfy it for you.

As far as Trump goes and his effect on the USA, and consiquently the world.

There are just a few simple things I can tell you.

First let go of the hope the globalist deep state will manage to get Trump.

Patriots are in control, and they have everything, the documents the server the phone calls .

Mullers witch hunt is over it will be shut within 30 days .

Rosenstein will be out on his arse within 45 days.

Both will need good lawyer's.

Bruce Ohr already demoted twice will be booted as soon as he has finished spilling his guts to the DOJ, he also needs a good lawyer.

I would be here all night listing everything that will happen in the near future and on.

  Suffice to say .....

 

The great awakening has begun.

The storm is coming.

Dark to Light.

WWG1WGA

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These are correct in number there needed to be one for each of you.

And they are most appropriate, God Emperor Trump and The Holy Twitter Sword do tend to have that effect on The Boys of Soy hehehe

 

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16 hours ago, chrisg said:

Branson is not the leader of the free world, he created a brand, Virgin, not a brand called Branson.

With which his face and activity is associated. He is co-branded with Virgin. There isn't a person on this planet who can't immediately visualise Branson in some sort of extreme sport scenario promoting Virgin.

16 hours ago, chrisg said:

Nuclear theory is  an utterly different issue, the potential for a situation to spin out of control has always been there, egos need to be put aside and the situation pulled back from the brink. Trump is not a cool head, he's impulsive and ego driven an "always right" mentality, that is dangerous.

Again: which nuclear cataclysm promised by the anti-Trumpers are we up to by now? Fourth?

16 hours ago, chrisg said:

one is all it will take.

Agreed. He hasn't started one yet and has neither shown the inclination to start one, and practically has shown more willingness to deal with nuclear states like DPRK than did his predecessors.

You can de-knot your panties.

16 hours ago, chrisg said:

in particular as President he should not be involved in anything else but being President, not his businesses

Why not? Did Turnbull stop being an owner of his and his wife's business?

16 hours ago, chrisg said:

Ever noticed him admitting to a mistake on his part ?

I have a hard time remembering any US President admitting to a mistake whilst in office and not in front of an impeachment panel.

You don't get to US President without a rather large ego.

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12 hours ago, chrisg said:

Since I mentioned psychology I did recall an interesting article, here it is

Those things are a dime a dozen.

https://ps.psychiatryonline.org/doi/pdf/10.1176/appi.ps.55.12.1440

https://nypost.com/2016/06/09/science-says-liberal-beliefs-are-linked-to-pyschotic-traits/

 

I'll repeat it again:

"Hating presidents is in our DNA," says Thomas Schwartz, a presidential historian at Vanderbilt University. "The more consequential the president, the more intense the hate. [Lyndon] Johnson had a play written about him called MacBird which accused him of killing Kennedy. Roosevelt was despised by America's upper class -- some referred to him as 'rubber legs.' "
Democrats usually flavor their hate with contempt for the president as stupid, Schwartz says, pointing to Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan and George Bush the younger. Republicans, on the other hand, tend to focus on certain characteristics -- corruption with Harry Truman, dishonesty with Bill Clinton.


 

 

Trump's not mentally ill, has no psychological problems. He may just be an unpleasant individual to you.

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4 hours ago, Leonid said:

Trump's not mentally ill, has no psychological problems.

... or at least no more than say chrisg or anyone else that cares to put their mental sobriety sanity to the test

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Trump doesn't bother to apologise, he "trumpets" his failures both in business and in politics as great successes. Granted Presidents don't often apologise, but prior Presidents did not invoke multiple actions without reference to their advisers or at least reading their daily reports either.

It's a tricky question with respect to Trump running businesses whilst in office but prior presidents have made certain they were distanced from any business interests prior to taking office to ensure there were no accusations of the businesses profiting from their being in office and using their power to benefit their businesses. Trump has made a pretense of doing so but rather obviously he hasn't - he's using the letter of the law whereas his predecessors have followed the spirit of the law.

https://people.howstuffworks.com/can-a-us-president-remain-business-once-office.htm

Actually whilst it was a long time ago now I did used to have to have psych evaluations because I was around nukes, for rather a long time. I was deemed sane, I assume I still am 🙂

Trump has not had to face a situation that had the potential for nuclear escalation, I hope he never does because I don't think he would deal with it the way the Kennedy's did over Cuba for example.

The Trump brand has a lousy track record as already linked. Branson doesn't have his name emblazoned on Virgin aircraft, Trump did, it failed. How predictable considering he took a no frills airline and wasted money on jazzing it up, which the consumers did not want - great business acumen not, ego, yes.

Trump is under intense investigation from all sides, something is going to stick for all his protestations. Yes, it is fueled by Democratic fury but many Republicans are aghast at his behavior as well.

Still , America voted him in, they have to live with it, unfortunately America is a bull in a china shop, so the whole planet has to live with him as well.

One thing I will say, Clinton would have most likely done no better, America hated her in the end and feared a dynasty. Sanders might have done better, but his policies are not attuned to a majority of Americans and he is long in the tooth.

America is and has been for quite a time a political shambles, Woodward has made that very clear in his book, just how they resolve it, who knows?

We will hopefully be having this discussion again post the next election when perhaps a new broom will begin to sweep away the mess and Trump's record will be in the spotlight, it will I believe show failure at every turn just failure can take time to become apparent.

Cheers

 

 

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Hmm,

Seems Trump did not have the Dems on the ropes as much as he thought, or Leo thought:

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/donald-trump-not-happy-with-democrats-but-shutdown-unlikely/news-story/239df9ca2b8281d9d93a194a5a9af9bd

In real terms a pittance of what he wanted for his wall and a drop in the bucket compared to what the real cost is predicted to be. I guess it will get him a few miles inland.

Now it seems he is likely to sulk off and rape other buckets to continue being the builder he is not.

Cheers

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3 hours ago, eveln said:

or at least no more than say chrisg or anyone else that cares to put their mental sanity to the test

Pfffff... Maybe no more mental illness or psychological problems than old Joh here, but it's a rare Atomican that isn't more sane than TRE45ON.

Peas in a fucken pod. 

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1 hour ago, chrisg said:

Hmm,

Seems Trump did not have the Dems on the ropes as much as he thought, or Leo thought:

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/donald-trump-not-happy-with-democrats-but-shutdown-unlikely/news-story/239df9ca2b8281d9d93a194a5a9af9bd

In real terms a pittance of what he wanted for his wall and a drop in the bucket compared to what the real cost is predicted to be. I guess it will get him a few miles inland.

Now it seems he is likely to sulk off and rape other buckets to continue being the builder he is not.

Cheers

Trump's wall in reality would cost probably like 20-30 billion. If it ever happens, it will be patch work of walls, fences and ... bits of area where they can't be assed to put anything like mountains or cliffs.  Then we have things like boats and planes to get around walls ... and tunnels

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