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9 minutes ago, chrisg said:

There's no time limit on when they can bring further charges, not that I necessarily believe they are planning to do so.

 

True enough, but most probably irrelevant: I very much doubt that they will try again.  When they lose this attempt, because everyone knows they don't have anything like the numbers in the senate, Trump's people will crow about "total exoneration" again (despite it not being that, and wasn't last time either), and enough of the public will dig no deeper than the soundbite on Fox News and believe it.

 

I doubt, really, that the DNC are actually trying now - it's a show to keep everyone but Biden on the DNC side out of action at the most crucial part of the campaigning season, because he's the DNC anointed one.

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Yeah,

 

Barring a miracle (GOP Senators developing a conscience or at least some guilt) when is indeed a forgone conclusion.

 

It certainly does seem that Biden is their anointed one, which may prove to be not so much a mistake as desperation.

 

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6 minutes ago, chrisg said:

which may prove to be not so much a mistake as desperation

 

Both.  They're desperate to retain the current system (only with them in control), because Wall Street pays them all, and the progressives have 70-80% of the (D) vote atm.  It's a mistake because...they have 70-80% of the (D) vote atm, and trying to force another neolib corporatist on them will definitely put Trump back in for another term.  I mean, the dude has actually used exactly the same playbook as Clinton did - apparently that didn't teach them anything.

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59 minutes ago, Cybes said:

The passage before 1950 is totally irrelevant,


Nothing in the constitution is “irrelevant”. The fact is ALL law is interpreted and impeachment is apart from the law (ie not based on actual criminal requirements) so it’s all subjective.

 

Trump is subject to two articles of impeachment - the lowest amount historically, for bribery. The charge was chosen in a Democrat focus group. Quid Pro Quo wasn’t as good poll-wise. A bribery charge on facts that are extremely subjective in light of what happened because this charge snares almost all presidents in living memory.

 

Then there’s the problem of popular support (it’s minimal), a GOP Senate, and the fact that Democrats are on record as wanting to impeach Trump before he even became President - it stinks like a vendetta. He’s also Teflon - remember the buffoon is President DESPITE pussy grabbing and sexual assault allegations from every woman in America (and her dog).

 

None of that is politically beneficial to their cause.

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17 minutes ago, chrisg said:

It certainly does seem that Biden is their anointed one, which may prove to be not so much a mistake as desperation.


Yes. The lesson from the British and Australian election is to go further left.

 

Jesus tittyfucking Christ, people? Are you on this planet? Twitter isn’t indicative of majority!

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Eh,

 

 At the moment it is too damned murky to even take a guess at what the Dems  are going to do, I sort of doubt that they know themselves as yet.

 

One thing is for certain, once Christmas and this laughable impeachment is out of the way they need to get with the plot and fast.

 

I'm certainly not holding my breath....

 

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3 minutes ago, Leonid said:

Twitter isn’t indicative of majority!

 

No, but national polls are.

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BTW:

 

10 minutes ago, Leonid said:

Nothing in the constitution is “irrelevant”.

 

Nice misdirection there.  The content of the document was not the focus of my point - that it has not changed during his term was.

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1 minute ago, Cybes said:

BTW:

 

 

Nice misdirection there.  The content of the document was not the focus of my point - that it has not changed during his term was.


It doesn’t have to. Listen - the constitution is the law when it comes to impeaching a president - not Federal Legislative laws. You can impeach a President without him having broken any laws.

 

As such, since the constitution has not defined bribery and given there was no federal definition of bribery when it was written you have a wide interpretation available. Depends if you’re a black-letter lawyer or someone more expansive.

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34 minutes ago, Cybes said:

 

... When they lose this attempt, because everyone knows they don't have anything like the numbers in the senate, Trump's people will crow about "total exoneration" again (despite it not being that, and wasn't last time either), and enough of the public will dig no deeper than the soundbite on Fox News and believe it.

 

well of course they will, that's politics. And since the DNC didn't have the nous to even be on the same page about it all, it will be  a deserved win for the POTUS and the Republicans .

 

34 minutes ago, Cybes said:

 

I doubt, really, that the DNC are actually trying now - it's a show to keep everyone but Biden on the DNC side out of action at the most crucial part of the campaigning season, because he's the DNC anointed one.

lol, agreed.

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7 minutes ago, Cybes said:

 

No, but national polls are.


FYI if the progressive vote is so high, why are the top 3 democrats rich old white people and the only candidate of colour (Yang) is in single digits dead last on those who made the December debate?

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Probably mostly because Yang just does not have the money to mount a particularly effective campaign and people do not know him. They do at least know Biden and he kept himself pretty clean during his Vice Presidency without being the fifth wheel that VPs can be.

 

"Knowing him" however is not necessarily such a good thing, he seems to have been around forever one way and another - always the bridesmaid...

 

Cheers

 

 

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6 minutes ago, chrisg said:

Yang just does not have the money to mount a particularly effective campaign


Oh that was true early on. It is no longer true.

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Yeah, he has improved but just how does he make much of an impression on the fickle voter when everyone is distracted by the impeachment ?

 

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that at the moment he would be wasting his money to campaign too hard.

 

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Also the only reason Buttigieg is still in it and why he got a huge bump is because he tacked right.


The only one of the young candidates to do so.

 

There is no path to victory with genderqueer Allahu Akbar, believe women, Wakanda forever coalitions.

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6 minutes ago, chrisg said:

Yeah, he has improved but just how does he make much of an impression on the fickle voter when everyone is distracted by the impeachment ?

 

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that at the moment he would be wasting his money to campaign too hard.

 

Cheers


Yang remains the ONLY candidate with a unique policy that no one else has.

 

He is also genuinely funny, is the only candidate who doesn’t seem to be attacking his own party candidates and isn’t hysterical about Trump.

 

I’m by no means a fanboy but he’s... interesting.

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Yeah,

 

Your mentioning him the other day made me take a closer look (as Seth Meyers would say) he is indeed very interesting.

 

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Now if you assume that Yang is centre right (which he is), as is Biden, as is Buttigieg and Klobuchar, then the “right” of the Democrats polls something like 52% to 48%.

Which is NOT a lot.

 

But Biden is the only candidate who polls say beats Trump: https://theweek.com/speedreads/884490/trump-beating-every-democratic-candidate-poll-shows--except-joe-biden

 

The danger in selecting a leftie is the conservative Dems stay home. They don’t hate Trump quite like the left.

 

If you choose a centrist Dem - the leftie Dems still vote because they hate Trump.

 

Ie - there is no path to victory for the left.

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😉

 

 Never thought I'd say it but America could use compulsory voting...

 

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To illustrate the point further, my own people are fairly in bed with the Dems. Something like 80% of Jews vote Dem.

 

And they’re all in the tank for Biden. Sanders polls in single digits among Jews. Ditto for Williamson and Bennet - who each got 0% and are all Jewish like Sanders.
 

If the candidate is a socialist, the Jews will stay home. Some will hold their nose and tactically vote Trump.

 

That’s enough to lose the election.

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28 minutes ago, Leonid said:


Yang remains the ONLY candidate with a unique policy that no one else has.

 

He is also genuinely funny, is the only candidate who doesn’t seem to be attacking his own party candidates and isn’t hysterical about Trump.

 

I’m by no means a fanboy but he’s... interesting.

May be in 2028 or 2032 for Yang ... part of his unique-ness is his belief in a UBI ... that's gotta hurt his chances at this moment in time everywhere .

Although, his wife's name is Evelyn ... that shows class

 

"... who doesn’t seem to be attacking his own party candidates and isn’t hysterical about Trump. ... "

He's playing the looong game

 

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16 minutes ago, Leonid said:

To illustrate the point further, my own people are fairly in bed with the Dems. Something like 80% of Jews vote Dem.

I'v always said most of them are smart, good people 😎

 

 

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Farkin distractions! typo.

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11 minutes ago, eveln said:

May be in 2028 or 2032 for Yang


Nikki Haley v Andrew Yang.

 

Interesting.

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1 minute ago, Leonid said:


Nikki Haley v Andrew Yang.

 

Interesting.

[ Not accounting for the times in between ] I'd think she is in like Flynn

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